On a neutral field, What's the spread?

AMBlai01 · 10-27-08, 01:54 PM

I say Sooners -5.5 IMO

gm2022 · 10-27-08, 01:55 PM

as low as -3 as high as -7 for OU~!

Iwinyourmoney · 10-27-08, 01:57 PM

Okl -7.5

O/u 49

Panic · 10-27-08, 01:58 PM

I can think of 3 teams, in the Top 10(that are behind them), that Penn St would not be favored over in this scenario. Oklahoma, USC, and Florida....with a big maybe on Georgia.

Willie Bee · 10-27-08, 01:59 PM

One reason they could make it Panic is because the BCS isn't taking into account any theoretical pointspreads like the one you mentioned. Look at the Texas-OU game a few weeks ago. It was played on a neutral field with the Longhorns about a TD underdog.

donjuan · 10-27-08, 02:00 PM

So how can Penn St. make the National if they would be dogs to...probably 2-3 teams behind them?

Because the BCS has never been about putting the two best teams against each other.

Panic · 10-27-08, 02:01 PM

Originally posted by Willie Bee

One reason they could make it Panic is because the BCS isn't taking into account any theoretical pointspreads like the one you mentioned. Look at the Texas-OU game a few weeks ago. It was played on a neutral field with the Longhorns about a TD underdog.

They really need a playoff system.

hoopster42 · 10-27-08, 02:03 PM

Originally posted by Panic

Penn St. v Oklahoma

I think the Sooners would be favored by at least 4. So how can Penn St. make the National if they would be dogs to...probably 2-3 teams behind them?

useless point.

in 2002, ohio state would have been a dog to most of the top 10 teams in the country on a neutral. remember craig krenzel, that pedestrian qb? remember all of the close games they pulled out in the final mins that yr?

yeah, krenzel and his mates put up 34 on undefeated miami and won the natl title

the 'who would be favored?' so the favored team should go to the bcs title game is simply a foolish argument

next subject please

Panic · 10-27-08, 02:04 PM

Originally posted by hoopster42

useless point.

in 2002, ohio state would have been a dog to most of the top 10 teams in the country on a neutral. remember craig krenzel, that pedestrian qb? remember all of the close games they pulled out in the final mins that yr?

yeah, krenzel and his mates put up 34 on undefeated miami and won the natl title

the 'who would be favored?' so the favored team should go to the bcs title game is simply a foolish argument

next subject please

fvck off.

Willie Bee · 10-27-08, 02:05 PM

Originally posted by Panic

They really need a playoff system.

Sorry, but when I hear someone say this I always have to ask them exactly how they'd set it up. We can debate it tomorrow over wings

Panic · 10-27-08, 02:07 PM

Originally posted by Willie Bee

Sorry, but when I hear someone say this I always have to ask them exactly how they'd set it up. We can debate it tomorrow over wings

cool. I just dont see how else that can do it. It's gonna be bullsh!t once again if PSU makes the NC.

hoopster42 · 10-27-08, 02:09 PM

Originally posted by Willie Bee

Sorry, but when I hear someone say this I always have to ask them exactly how they'd set it up. We can debate it tomorrow over wings

4 teams, 8 teams is not enough, there would still be MAJOR controversy on who gets in, believe me

16 teams or more is TOO MANY, it would hurt the reg season

the rivalry games would suffer, could you imagine usc resting players vs. ucla because usc knows they have to stay healthy for the playoff?

dont believe me? look at the nba and nfl, who rest guys the last few games

this would KILL the college rivalry games in late november and early december

THE REGULAR SEASON IS THE PLAYOFF

Richkas · 10-27-08, 02:19 PM

PennState -3

NEP Dynasty · 10-27-08, 02:22 PM

Go to vegassportsconnect.com. It has all of the possible matchups and spreads.

Willie Bee · 10-27-08, 02:24 PM

I hear what you're saying hoopster, though I'm not sure it would be that big of a death blow to the late season games. There will be some seasons that a UCLA-USC contest or A&M-Texas contest that late would basically become even bigger since it would mean a spot in the 4- or 8-team mix.

Overall, I'm not unhappy with the way it is now as compared to 15+ years ago when conferences were tied to specific bowls. I could be very happy with just a plus-one modification to the current system.

Panic · 10-27-08, 02:26 PM

Originally posted by NEP Dynasty

Go to vegassportsconnect.com. It has all of the possible matchups and spreads.

Just checked it out. They have the 3 I suggested as favors also. But dont get why they would favor Penn St over Alabama. I think Alabama would be favored in that game.

bmw530i · 10-27-08, 02:27 PM

Nice... what if ...scenario discussion Panic.....
Oklahoma -3

BestPlay2day · 10-27-08, 02:40 PM

I would make Oklahoma a 6 pt favorite. Penn St should make the National Title game and will probably be a TD underdog to whoever they play.

LT Profits · 10-27-08, 02:40 PM

I think bmw got it right, possibly -3.5

pavyracer · 10-27-08, 03:27 PM

Can someone name a scenario were Oklahoma is playing for national title

jjgold · 10-27-08, 03:30 PM

Okl -6 1/2

rm18 · 10-27-08, 04:12 PM

That does not matter, they do not just put the best team out there you have to reward who wins the games. Florida could lose 3 games and still would be favored on a neutral field by the bookmakers, so you want them in the title game regardless?

bigboydan · 10-27-08, 04:26 PM

OU would probably open at 5.5 and bet down to 3.5 IMO.

Panic · 10-27-08, 04:30 PM

Originally posted by rm18

That does not matter, they do not just put the best team out there you have to reward who wins the games. Florida could lose 3 games and still would be favored on a neutral field by the bookmakers, so you want them in the title game regardless?

Wrong. Florida loses 3 games they would not have a chance in hell of being favored against an undefeated Penn St team

rm18 · 10-27-08, 04:35 PM

Originally posted by Panic

Wrong. Florida loses 3 games they would not have a chance in hell of being favored against an undefeated Penn St team

If Florida would lose to Georgia and Florida St. they would still be a decent size favorite over Penn St. in Dolphin Stadium.

Panic · 10-27-08, 04:37 PM

Originally posted by rm18

If Florida would lose to Georgia and Florida St. they would still be a decent size favorite over Penn St. in Dolphin Stadium.

No way.

LT Profits · 10-27-08, 04:39 PM

Originally posted by pavyracer

Can someone name a scenario were Oklahoma is playing for national title

Easy. Win out and win Big 12 Championship Game.

LT Profits · 10-27-08, 04:42 PM

Then again, they would play SEC champ in that scenario. So I guess only way we get this Oklahoma/Penn State mathup is if Oklahoma wins out like I said, Penn State goes undefeated and any team other than Georgia, Florida or Alabama wins SEC.

rm18 · 10-27-08, 04:42 PM

If they lose to Georgia that does about nothing to their perception, Florida St will be 10-1 going into that game, that hurts slightly, but still a road game.

Right now they about 6 point favorites on the road against Georgia, so currently they would be favored by about 12 points in Dolphin Stadium against Penn St., which sounds ridiculous, and it is a bad line, but that is what the line would be.

pavyracer · 10-27-08, 04:42 PM

Originally posted by LT Profits

Easy. Win out and win Big 12 Championship Game.

How will they play for Big12 championship game? They lost to Texas.

rm18 · 10-27-08, 04:45 PM

Originally posted by pavyracer

How will they play for Big12 championship game? They lost to Texas.

Texas loses to Texas Tech, and then they beat Texas Tech, they will win tiebreaker

Panic · 10-27-08, 04:48 PM

Originally posted by rm18

If they lose to Georgia that does about nothing to their perception, Florida St will be 10-1 going into that game, that hurts slightly, but still a road game.

Right now they about 6 point favorites on the road against Georgia, so currently they would be favored by about 12 points in Dolphin Stadium against Penn St., which sounds ridiculous, and it is a bad line, but that is what the line would be.

Florida would have played 3 rank teams and only beaten 1 of them(in your scenario)...that being LSU. LSU looks like they may drop out of the top 25 with 1 more loss. So if Florida loses to Georgia and Florida St....they will have no wins against ranked opponents. They would not be favored against Penn St., Rm...no fvcking way.

rm18 · 10-27-08, 04:48 PM

I disagree with the people who say Penn St. will be moved down though, they saw what happened with LSU last year, but in my opinion a big difference between jumping a 2 loss team over a 1 than a 1 over undefeated.

rm18 · 10-27-08, 04:50 PM

Originally posted by Panic

Florida would have played 3 rank teams and only beaten 1 of them(in your scenario)...that being LSU. LSU looks like they may drop out of the top 25 with 1 more loss. So if Florida loses to Georgia and Florida St....they will have no wins against ranked opponents. They would not be favored against Penn St., Rm...no fvcking way.

Oddsmakers do care about losses, but it is not everything, If they beat Georgia by a field goal or lose by a field goal it is really irrelvant to what their spread will be the next week.

Last year a 3 loss Florida team was a 11 point favorite in their bowl game, and would of been favored of Ohio St.