–The facts about “Obamacare,” without all the political BS

[PAULYPOKER]

Thx for the heads up Rick................













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Here is a list of taxes associated with ObamaCare:

• New tax on individuals who do not purchase government‐approved health insurance
• New tax on employers who fail to fully comply with government health insurance mandates
• New 40% excise tax on certain high‐cost health plans
• New ban on the purchase of over‐the‐counter drugs using funds from
• FSAs, HSAs and HRAs
• Increase the Medicare tax on wages and self -employment income by 0.9% and impose a new 3.8% surtax on certain investment income (for individuals over $200,000 and couples over $250,000)
• Increase, from 7.5% to 10% of income, the threshold after which individuals can deduct out of pocket medical expenses
• Impose a new $2,500 annual cap on FSA contributions
• New annual tax on health insurance
• New annual tax on brand name pharmaceuticals
• New 2.3% excise tax on certain medical devices
• New 10% tax on indoor UV tanning services
• New tax on insured and self‐insured health plans
• Double the penalty for non‐qualified HSA distributions
• Eliminate the deduction for expenses allocable to Medicare Part D subsidy
• Limit the deduction for compensation to officers, employees and directors of certain health insurance providers
• Require information reporting on payments to corporations
• Impose additional requirements for section 501(c)(3) hospitals
• Make “black liquor” ineligible for cellulosic biofuel producer credit
• Codify economic substance doctrine and impose penalties for Under-payments

Project 21-12 and The Repeal of ObamaCare will eliminate these taxes. Please support therepeal initiative by Clicking Here.

[PAULYPOKER]

[andywend]

Sounds good. Why are people against it?

Because ObamaCare will lead to every hospital being just like county hospitals with severe overcrowding, much poorer quality medical care and extreme rationing of medical care services.

The only problem with the current medical care system is the cost. Anyone who believes that more government involvement will lead to higher quality medical care at a lower cost should have themselves committed.

Socialized medical care systems work great if you never get seriously ill. Theres a reason why so many affluent people come to the U.S. when they need specialized health care.

Think about the changes being forced onto medical insurance companies. Once ObamaCare stretches its legs, these medical insurance companies are going to need more and more federal government assistance with all of them being nationalized much sooner than people realize.

Once that happens, you are going to have the federal bureaucrats in Washington making all the important decisions regarding the medical care you receive.

Sounds like a HOOT!!!!

[grekos]

Pauly are you as wise in politics as gambling?

[ChalkyDog]

So much for, "without the political BS"

[PAULYPOKER]

So much for, "without the political BS"

What these taxes are not real?

I'm in no way supporting the republican party here ya know................

[GunShard]

Can you explain the differences between Obamacare and Romney care? I hear they are very similar.

[ChalkyDog]

Can you explain the differences between Obamacare and Romney care? I hear they are very similar.

LO fukkin L, man. Seriously.

Romney was set to run for president on his republican health care plan in 2008. His main accomplishment.

Now, he is fighting the guy who made it a reality.

The best part, is the liberals are praising a conservative judge for passing a republican bill.

America, brospeh. America.

[PAULYPOKER]

LO fukkin L, man. Seriously.

Romney was set to run for president on his republican health care plan in 2008. His main accomplishment.

Now, he is fighting the guy who made it a reality.

The best part, is the liberals are praising a conservative judge for passing a republican bill.

America, brospeh. America.

So, you admit, the two party system of government is not for the peoples best interest............

[Serbone]

Obamacare will drive up costs and damage our quality of healthcare. Ask a doctor, who is a friend, candidly. A disaster.
If you want government controlled heatlhcare, visit 3-4 VA's. It is where the government controlls everything, not just the paperwork like Medicare. Everything.
VA's are usually filthy, staffed by the lowest tier MD's (some from foreign countries that could not work elsewhere in the USA), nurses who have been fired 3-4 times at other places, obsolete equipment that is often not compatible with the required disposables or attachements to be accurate, ignorant orderlies who abuse the vets, terrible service (vets get there 8am to pick up meds, sit on folding chair until 3pm). And more.
They are closing Walter Reed (not a VA but a gov't showcase). Remember the articles 3-4 yrs ago, vets came home and there were rats, roaches, etc? They covered up a lot on that matter. Right in the heart of D.C.
2 yrs ago, a St. Louis VA exposed 1,800 vets to potential HIV or other infections, failed to sterilize dental equipment. It surprisingly made it to the newspapers. There are TONS of other examples of this sort of thing.
Yes, we need reform. But not Obamacare, it will swallow the insurance companies and we will go to social medicine. Like the VAs.
You can SUE insurance companies, hospitals, doctors, pharmaceutical companies, nurses, clinics, pharmacists, etc.
You cannot (really) sue the government when Obama takes us to Cuba-France-Greece. Try disputing a Medicare issue now.
There are tons of other issues... just consider these before you get sucked in to the big lie. I fear it is too late.

(I have been in healthcare for a long time, VP exec for F500 co's, know hospital CEO's, MD's, IDN CEO's, pharma execs, GPO execs, reimbursement execs, etc)

[PAULYPOKER]

FACT CHECK: On keeping your current health plan

WASHINGTON (AP) — In promoting the health care law, President Barack Obama is repeating his persistent and unsubstantiated assurance that Americans who like their health insurance can simply keep it. Republican rival Mitt Romney says quite the opposite, but his doomsday scenario is a stretch.
After the Supreme Court upheld the law last week, Obama stepped forward to tell Americans what good will come from it. Romney was quick to lay out the harm. But some of the evidence they gave to the court of public opinion was suspect.
A look at their claims and how they compare with the facts:
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OBAMA: "If you're one of the more than 250 million Americans who already have health insurance, you will keep your health insurance. This law will only make it more secure and more affordable."
ROMNEY: "Obamacare also means that for up to 20 million Americans, they will lose the insurance they currently have, the insurance that they like and they want to keep."
THE FACTS: Nothing in the law ensures that people happy with their policies now can keep them. Employers will continue to have the right to modify coverage or even drop it, and some are expected to do so as more insurance alternatives become available to the population under the law. Nor is there any guarantee that coverage will become cheaper, despite the subsidies many people will get.
Americans may well end up feeling more secure about their ability to obtain and keep coverage onceinsurance companies can no longer deny, terminate or charge more for coverage for those in poor health. But particular health insurance plans will have no guarantee of ironclad security. Much can change, including the cost.
The non-partisan Congressional Budget Office has estimated that the number of workers getting employer-based coverage could drop by several million, as some workers choose new plans in the marketplace or as employers drop coverage altogether. Companies with more than 50 workers would have to pay a fine for terminating insurance, but in some cases that would be cost-effective for them.
Obama's soothing words for those who are content with their current coverage have been heard before, rendered with different degrees of accuracy. He's said nothing in the law requires people to change their plans, true enough. But the law does not guarantee the status quo for anyone, either.
So where does Romney come up with 20 million at risk of losing their current plans?
He does so by going with the worst-case scenario in the budget office's analysis. Researchers thought it most likely that employer coverage would decline by 3 to 5 million, but the range of possibilities was broad: It could go up by as much as 3 million or down by as much as 20 million.
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ROMNEY: After saying the new law cuts Medicare by $500 billion and raises taxes by a like amount, adds: "And even with those cuts and tax increases, Obamacare adds trillions to our deficits and to our national debt, and pushes those obligations onto coming generations."
THE FACTS: In its most recent complete estimate, in March 2011, the Congressional Budget Office said the new health care law would actually reduce the federal budget deficit by $210 billion over the next 10 years. In the following decade, the law would continue to reduce deficits by about one-half of one percent of the nation's gross domestic product, the office said.
The congressional budget scorekeepers acknowledged their projections are "quite uncertain" because of the complexity of the issue and the assumptions involved, which include the assumption that all aspects of the law are implemented as written. But the CBO assessment offers no backup for Romney's claim that the law "adds trillions to our deficits."
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OBAMA: "And by this August, nearly 13 million of you will receive a rebate from your insurance company because it spent too much on things like administrative costs and CEO bonuses and not enough on your health care."
THE FACTS: Rebates are coming, but not nearly that many Americans are likely to get those checks and for many of those who do, the amount will be decidedly modest.
The government acknowledges it does not know how many households will see rebates in August from a provision of the law that makes insurance companies give back excess money spent on overhead instead of health care delivery. Altogether, the rebates that go out will benefit nearly 13 million people. But most of the benefit will be indirect, going to employers because they cover most of the cost of insurance provided in the workplace.
Employers can plow all the rebate money, including the workers' share, back into the company's health plan, or pass along part of it.
The government says some 4 million people who are due rebates live in households that purchased coverage directly from an insurance company, not through an employer, and experts say those households are the most likely to get a rebate check directly.
The government says the rebates have an average value of $151 per household. But employers, who typically pay 70 to 80 percent of premiums, are likely to get most of that.
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ROMNEY: "Obamacare raises taxes on the American people by approximately $500 billion."
THE FACTS: The tax increases fall heavily on upper-income people, health insurance companies, drug makers and medical device manufacturers.
People who fail to obtain health insurance as required by the law will face a tax penalty, although that's expected to hit relatively few because the vast majority of Americans have insurance and many who don't will end up getting it. Also, a 10 percent tax has been imposed on tanning bed use as part of the health care law. There are no other across-the-board tax increases in the law, although some tax benefits such as flexible savings accounts are scaled back. Of course, higher taxes on businesses can be passed on to the consumer in the form of higher prices.
Individuals making over $200,000 and couples making over $250,000 will pay 0.9 percent more in Medicare payroll tax and a 3.8 percent tax on investments. As well, a tax starts in 2018 on high-value insurance plans.
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OBAMA: "Because of the Affordable Care Act, young adults under the age of 26 are able to stay on their parents' health care plans, a provision that's already helped 6 million young Americans."
THE FACTS: Obama is overstating this benefit of his health law, and his own administration knows better. The Department of Health and Human Services, in a June 19 news release, said 3.1 million young adults would be uninsured were it not for the new law. Obama's number comes from a June 8 survey by the Commonwealth Fund, a health policy foundation. It said 6.6 million young adults joined or stayed on their parents' health plans who wouldn't have been able to absent the law. But that number includes some who switched to their parents' plans from other coverage, Commonwealth Fund officials told the Los Angeles Times.
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ROMNEY: "Obamacare is a job-killer."
THE FACTS: The CBO estimated in 2010 that the law would reduce the amount of labor used in the economy by roughly half a percent.
But that's mostly because the law will give many people the opportunity to retire, stay at home with family or switch to part-time work, since they will be able to get health insurance more easily outside of their jobs. That voluntary retreat from the workforce, made possible by the law's benefits, is not the same as employers slashing jobs because of the law's costs, as Romney implies.
The law's penalties on employers who don't provide health insurance might cause some companies to hire fewer low-wage workers or to hire more part-timers instead of full-time employees, the budget office said. But the main consequence would still be from more people choosing not to work.
Apart from the budget office and other disinterested parties that study the law, each side in the debate uses research sponsored by interest groups, often slanted, to buttress its case. Romney cites a Chamber of Commerce online survey in which nearly three-quarters of respondents said the law would dampen their hiring.
The chamber is a strong opponent of the law, having run ads against it. Its poll was conducted unscientifically and is therefore not a valid measure of business opinion.
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Associated Press writers Andrew Taylor and Jim Drinkard contributed to this report.

[PAULYPOKER]

Lets spin some more,are you so dizzy you don't know what to believe?

If you are, great we achieved are full intention,

Yours Truly
The Super Class................

[SteelRain]

The American health care system will go bankrupt not because of Obama but because Americans are fat disgusting slobs with little regard for their health.

I mean just look at SBR, bunch of fat fuks who would be dead without their heart pills, joint pills, insulin, cholesterol pills, high blood pressure pills and etc.

[PAULYPOKER]

I mean just look at SBR, bunch of fat fuks who would be dead without their heart pills, joint pills, insulin, cholesterol pills, high blood pressure pills and etc.

Soooooo true.............

[Carseller4]

[PAULYPOKER]

[DwightShrute]

study: Health Overhaul to Raise Claims Cost 32 Pct

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/study-health-overhaul-raise-claims-cost-32-pct-18815541#.UVM00DdM5w0

CAN ANYONE SCREW SHIT UP MORE THAT OBAMA?

[William Walters]

tranny

stiff

oddball

[McBa1n]

I really like this thread.

[CarpeDime]

sarah palin said there are death panels in obamacare so we should not pass it you do not want the government telling you you have to die

[DwightShrute]

In case you missed: ObamaCare Lies: The Top 15 list!

http://affcareact.wordpress.com/2011...e-top-15-list/

[MUHerd37]

The CBO said today that 7 million less insured in 2020 after Obamacare. Also, the costs of Obamacare were dramatically underestimated. The states have to set up the exchanges and it's costing them a shit ton (it's government duh). The states are nowhere even close to getting them set up. Obamacare is going to cost a shit ton more than they originally stated.

[CarpeDime]

unreal

we should just look at other countries and see which ones have the best systems and just copy their systems

[GUMMO77]

Uninsured people should go untreated or at the very least, go bankrupt because of hospital bills.

[CarpeDime]

Uninsured people should go untreated or at the very least, go bankrupt because of hospital bills.

i agree, and also insured people who get sick should be kicked out of their insurance because it raises the costs for everyone else. Why should I have to pay more just because someone else got sick?? That is socialism

[PAULYPOKER]

Uninsured people should go untreated or at the very least, go bankrupt because of hospital bills.

You are a disgrace to that AVATAR...........

[opie1988]

unreal

we should just look at other countries and see which ones have the best systems and just copy their systems

Hilarious!!

Here's a tip for ya, motherfukker.....Haul your ass back to Persia. Lets see how much you like getting a root canal done by a "street dentist."

[DwightShrute]

You are a disgrace to that AVATAR...........

I am pretty sure he's being sarcastic

[pavyracer]

Healthcare should only be a privilege of the ones that can afford to pay for it. If you are poor and you get cancer..tough luck.

[PAULYPOKER]

Lets get this straight,it is the INSURANCE companies who are driving up all costs...........

Profit off of the healthy and then deny coverage once the sick cut the slightest in to their profits.....................

[PAULYPOKER]

This is the priority list of the US healthcare system......

1.Profit

2.paying off members of congress to Maximize #1.

3.provide minimal healthcare to sustain #1 and #2.

[PAULYPOKER]

The AMERICAN diet is planned by design to make the people sick who can not afford organic food........
This then bankrupts the average American citizen, once the healthcare system denies them.......
This will crumble the average Americans existence, through a very short period of time...........

[tony_come]

Obama is playing golf in Florida with woods

I love this country

[PAULYPOKER]

This is the priority list of the US healthcare system......

1.Profit

2.paying off members of congress to Maximize #1.

3.provide minimal healthcare to sustain #1 and #2.

The AMERICAN diet is planned by design to make the people sick who can not afford organic food........
This then bankrupts the average American citizen, once the healthcare system denies them.......
This will crumble the average Americans existence, through a very short period of time...........

The government disguises this through the minimal welfare healthcare system,for an appearance of care for the people while pissing off the ones who struggle but still do not qualify for it..............


Division at its finest, with no one knowing who to blame...........

[GUMMO77]

I am pretty sure he's being sarcastic