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Even jjgold would've gotten a few wins with those bats behind him
Even jjgold would've gotten a few wins with those bats behind him
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Steve, how about Tommy John?
26 Seasons, 288 Wins, 3.34 Career ERA.
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Bottom line for this thread is that Mike Mussina is Hall of Fame worthy (though not first ballot) and a more intruiging argument would be for Andy Pettitte's consideration.Comment -
No. Not even close.Comment -
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no
100+ more wins then loses. impressive
not hall of fame impressive
hall has numbers they go by
300 wins
500 homers-pre steroid era
very hard to get in if you don't hit the magic numberComment -
nope , that plus wins, plus longevity, world series, prestige, charisma, etc
He'll be 70 by then, lucky if we are alive thenComment -
having a 20 win season in his last year is huge. That put's him into the conversation. I always like for hall of fame to be elite and Mussina wasn't "elite". His ERA is better than Pettittes but when it come's to big games and winning, I'd rather have Pettitte at the mound.Comment -
I said he pitched a long time and you say that plus longevity. He won one World Series in 26 years, so that would hardly be a reason to put him in.
Charisma is irrelevant.
Blyleven never should've gotten in. He hung around on the ballot for ages until they finally capitulated due to a lack of quality candidates that year.it got Blyleven in[quote=jjgold;5683305]I win again like usual
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[quote=Whippit;7921056]miami won't lose a single eastern conference game through end of season[/quote]Comment -
Lets look at another Key stat that nobody has brought up about the Moose , Ks to walks ratio. Whereas Moose ranks 16th all time with a 3.58 ratio. Doesnt matter where you play or who bats for you , bottom line is for Mooses career he threw 7 strikeouts for every 2 walks he allowed.
He has a higher K/BB ratio than all of the big name pitchers in the 1990s , Maddux, Clemens , Randy, Smoltz, Moose beat em all ....
Obv this alone wont get him in , but the 270 wins , the 120+ era , the .638 winning % . and the 7/2 K walk ratio ... to be shows he belongs in that elite class
( i was kidding about Cone , although he is one of my all time favs )Comment -
No allegations, he said he took them, once, with a doctors prescription, took them to help heal an injury, once again, prescribed by a doctor, which he proved to MLB.
There's a reason why he's not lumped in with the Sosa's, and Canseco's of the world, because even though he came up dirty once for steroids, it was for medical reasons, not to gain an advantage.
The suits on Park Ave even verified that.Comment -
No. He would have the highest ERA ever of any pitcher in the HOF. His inflated win total is the benefit of having played on very good teams that scored lots of runs behind him. Also, he admit to using steroids.
What he does having going for him is 1) Most of the HOF voters are stupid and only look at W/L record, 2) He played on the Yankees, 3) He was a historically good post season pitcher, 4) He did not deny using steroids and fessed up to it and that scored him a lot of points with the public.
See what happens next year with Roger Clemens and you'll have a good idea whether Pettitte even has a shot.Comment -
Fukk the hof until they put Charlie hustle and Donnie baseball in there.Comment -
Moose and Pettitte both belong !Comment -
Pettitte was so clutch in the post season is one of the major reasons why I brought him up in the discussion. Now who is to say he doesn't pitch well this year and perhaps next and even adds 25 more wins to his career totals as well? That would make him even more relevant along with his 5 WS rings too.Comment -
Pettite was highly overrated for his post season performance, he benefited mostly form pitcher for extremely good teams and making lots of starts.
But he made 42 starts, posted a very average 61.9% QS%, never pitched a complete game, stuck out just 5.9 per 9 innings posted a 1.30 WHIP, a very average 3.83 ERA and a poor 4.17 FIP. and in his 12 WS starts his numbers are worse.
He did have some very good starts in big games, but he had just as many if not more stinkers.Comment -
the hall of fame is shit with guys like blyleven and jenkins getting in
fuk it....throw him in...he was a runner up for cy young one time in his career....guy is fukkin amazing!
and anyone who really thinks pettitte should be in should be banned from every sports board on the internetComment
so he pitched a long time, that makes him a hall of famer?
