kobe would be the undisputed g.o.a.t. if shaq hadnt held him back

King Mayan · 02-07-12, 12:51 PM

big0mar · 02-07-12, 12:51 PM

Didn't he try to get traded to Chicago after Shaq left?

zsr · 02-07-12, 12:53 PM

Originally posted by big0mar

Didn't he try to get traded to Chicago after Shaq left?

yep. Guy wouldnt have any more rings if the lakers didn't snag pau. LOL at bragging about scoring 35 and getting destroyed in the first round.

zsr · 02-07-12, 12:54 PM

Let's remember crusty thinks Palmer is an elite quarterback, he thinks more interceptions then touchdowns is a good thing

onacloud · 02-07-12, 01:09 PM

Shaq got Kobe rings......

Kobe didn't get Shaq rings...

William Walters · 02-07-12, 01:12 PM

Originally posted by onacloud

Shaq got Kobe rings......

Kobe didn't get Shaq rings...

Please. Shaq wouldn't have won shit without Kobe.......and vice versa. They both needed the other for the three-peat.

Smoke · 02-07-12, 01:13 PM

Originally posted by onacloud

Shaq got Kobe rings......

Kobe didn't get Shaq rings...

Phil Jackson got both of them rings

zsr · 02-07-12, 01:14 PM

Shaq during his laker days was the most dominant big man of all time. It's not even close. They probably needed each other sure but there's no debate Shaq was the best player on that team

as99 · 02-07-12, 01:29 PM

Lakers would have not won those years without Shaq, that's when Kobe's stock really took off.

onacloud · 02-07-12, 01:36 PM

Originally posted by zsr

Shaq during his laker days was the most dominant big man of all time. It's not even close. They probably needed each other sure but there's no debate Shaq was the best player on that team

darkhat · 02-07-12, 01:36 PM

Originally posted by William Walters

Please. Shaq wouldn't have won shit without Kobe.......and vice versa. They both needed the other for the three-peat.

William Walters · 02-07-12, 01:38 PM

Originally posted by darkhat

zsr · 02-07-12, 01:42 PM

Also, we should probably all have some perspective when Shaq says Kobe is the greatest laker of all time.

Would you believe anything else Shaq says?

William your a lifelong laker fan right? Wouldn't you take magic or Kareem instead?

Like I said I'm a Kobe fan and he's no doubt top 10 all time, but people are getting carried away.

jsmithj88 · 02-07-12, 02:00 PM

Originally posted by crustyme

after shaq left... 35.4ppg (highest scoring season in 2 decades) 31.6ppg the very next season reg season mvp (screwed out of 2 more) 3 consecutive finals with avg cast 2 finals mvp he would be breaking kareems record last night if not for snaq oreo meal holding him back for 8 seasons.

they wouldnt have won any titles if shaq wasnt on that team
the west was stacked at that time

ttwarrior1 · 02-07-12, 02:03 PM

fail post, he is overrated

dinaro7 · 02-07-12, 02:05 PM

kobe is a ball hog

William Walters · 02-07-12, 02:19 PM

Originally posted by zsr

Also, we should probably all have some perspective when Shaq says Kobe is the greatest laker of all time.

Would you believe anything else Shaq says?

William your a lifelong laker fan right? Wouldn't you take magic or Kareem instead?

Like I said I'm a Kobe fan and he's no doubt top 10 all time, but people are getting carried away.

I really have no answer for that question. Magic is my all-time favorite Lakers player. Guy was a one of a kind PG at 6'8" and truly "magic" on the court. But, one could argue that Kareem is the greatest player to have ever played the game. Obviously, he was never going to be a highlight reel because that wasn't his game. But, being an incredible player before there were media outlets such as ESPN (Jordan era) and sustaining his greatness over TWENTY years is UNREAL! Kareem played 20 seasons and not only averaged 25 points & 11 rebounds OVER TWENTY YEARS, but only twice over twenty seasons did he miss more than 8 games.....which....at 7'2" was/is unheard of (you could count on "Cap" to be there.....game after game......year after year).

YouHave2outs · 02-07-12, 03:07 PM

Originally posted by William Walters

Please. Shaq wouldn't have won shit without Kobe.......and vice versa. They both needed the other for the three-peat.

and big daddy David Stern, am i right

BernardMadoff · 02-07-12, 03:27 PM

I dont recall anybody holding Kobe back, if anything he held others back because of his ball hogging and selfish style of play.

KingJD31 · 02-07-12, 03:29 PM

Robert horry is responsible for most of them

jeffdane · 02-07-12, 03:35 PM

Originally posted by KingJD31

Robert horry is responsible for most of them

how many players have more rings than Horry?

BernardMadoff · 02-07-12, 03:51 PM

Kobe never made any player better on the floor thats for sure, I cant think of any top 10 player that can be said about, which is why Kobe shouldnt be on any top ten lists, this is a team game we're talking about.

jeffdane · 02-07-12, 03:53 PM

kobe made brian shaw better. but most nba guards coulda made wide open 3's

William Walters · 02-07-12, 04:06 PM

Originally posted by BernardMadoff

Kobe never made any player better on the floor thats for sure, I cant think of any top 10 player that can be said about, which is why Kobe shouldnt be on any top ten lists, this is a team game we're talking about.

Get a clue!

Did you even watch the game last night? Gasol & Bynum were getting dunks, layups, open five footers....and guys were getting wide open 3's!!!!! Why???? Uh.........because the 76ers were FORCED to double...and at times...send a third player......at Kobe. THAT alone makes players around him better. If people understood the game of basketball comments like these just wouldn't be made.

SATERSTYLE · 02-07-12, 04:08 PM

Kobe balls hard white girls love them some Kobe

Riceboi · 02-07-12, 05:18 PM

Shaq > Kobe, you mad?

collegegambler · 02-07-12, 06:42 PM

Originally posted by Smoke

Phil Jackson got both of them rings

Agreed

Shaq was unbelievable in his laker days and it was a sad day when he left but the Kobe years were way more impressive than the shaq years in my eyes, being from la

BettingWizard · 02-07-12, 06:47 PM

Originally posted by KingJD31

Robert horry is responsible for most of them

Even Fisher has more clutch shots than Kobe in the playoffs

BernardMadoff · 02-07-12, 07:01 PM

Originally posted by William Walters

Get a clue!

Did you even watch the game last night? Gasol & Bynum were getting dunks, layups, open five footers....and guys were getting wide open 3's!!!!! Why???? Uh.........because the 76ers were FORCED to double...and at times...send a third player......at Kobe. THAT alone makes players around him better. If people understood the game of basketball comments like these just wouldn't be made.

Did you watch the fourth quarter? End of. Kobe only passes when their are no other options.

jsmithj88 · 02-07-12, 07:06 PM

Don't hurt them with the truth. It Kobe was double and triple teamed then the lakers shud have won easily and Kobe shud have at least 10 assists. But they lost and he took 50 shots.

kobefanatic · 02-07-12, 07:22 PM

Originally posted by BernardMadoff

Kobe never made any player better on the floor thats for sure, I cant think of any top 10 player that can be said about, which is why Kobe shouldnt be on any top ten lists, this is a team game we're talking about.

look at kwame brown after he left LA, being traded to numerous clubs and didn't make any significant impact at all, how about smush parker don't even know where this guy is playing, lamar odumbass is he contributing much in dallas now? look at pau gasol before he was traded to the lakers and after he traded to the lakers

guy couldn't even win a single playoff game with a much better lineup he had in memphis but became instantly better once he plays with kobe

Reedeman · 02-07-12, 07:24 PM

hes a shooting guard. he takes shots. he just doesn't take them like he used to lol. Actually its because of guys like him, iverson, t-mac, and all those other early 00's ball hogs that i stopped watching the nba for a while... theres nothing like some well coordinated ball movement IMO

BernardMadoff · 02-07-12, 07:29 PM

Originally posted by kobefanatic

look at kwame brown after he left LA, being traded to numerous clubs and didn't make any significant impact at all, how about smush parker don't even know where this guy is playing, lamar odumbass is he contributing much in dallas now? look at pau gasol before he was traded to the lakers and after he traded to the lakers

guy couldn't even win a single playoff game with a much better lineup he had in memphis but became instantly better once he plays with kobe

Thats sounds silly, so Kobe made Kwame and Smush better? Thats retarded. But hey I know Kobe has his loyalists and he can do no wrong in those people's eyes so there is no use debating.

kobefanatic · 02-07-12, 07:35 PM

Originally posted by BernardMadoff

Thats sounds silly, so Kobe made Kwame and Smush better? Thats retarded. But hey I know Kobe has his loyalists and he can do no wrong in those people's eyes so there is no use debating.

oh he made them worse then? if he didn't make them any better what can you say about kwame and smush right now? one is bouncing around teams and the other one is out of the league ever since he left the lakers, any NBA fan would have known that those 2 are shit players