What edge do you have in Sports Betting?

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  • Justin7
    SBR Hall of Famer
    • 07-31-06
    • 8577

    #1
    What edge do you have in Sports Betting?
    (Intermediate) This video explains a few ways to analyze handicappers, betting systems, or other potentially random sequences. You'll get a crash-course on standard deviations applied to gambling, and see how sportsbooks determine whether a player is likely to win going forward.

  • SBR Lou
    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
    • 08-02-07
    • 37863

    #2
    Your best video yet, very informative.

    Keep them coming.
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    • onthewhat
      Restricted User
      • 05-14-08
      • 15411

      #3
      i enjoy your vids
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      • Jetsfan
        SBR Sharp
        • 07-07-08
        • 276

        #4
        Do you have to compare the odds you got to the average of the markets closing price, or is comparing it to Pinnacles closer enough if you beat it?
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        • bettilimbroke999
          SBR Posting Legend
          • 02-04-08
          • 13254

          #5
          Edge, are you fukin kidding?? BetJamaica owes me a house for all my losses there
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          • pimike
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            • 03-23-08
            • 37140

            #6
            NICE WORK SIR
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            • acw
              SBR Wise Guy
              • 08-29-05
              • 576

              #7
              For those that want to know more about parlays:
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              • diogee
                SBR Posting Legend
                • 01-11-08
                • 19477

                #8
                Good video Justin. Always informative.
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                • Nicky Santoro
                  SBR Posting Legend
                  • 04-08-08
                  • 16103

                  #9
                  if you boys dont want to watch the whole vid.. just make sure you watch it from the 5:45 till the end.. it's all you need to know. it's the most important thing you need to know about gambling and it's the only way you have any chance at beating the book..

                  the 1st 5:45 is about standard deviations and all. (for the math guys).. but just make sure you see from 5:45 till end..

                  it's really all you'll ever need to know in gambling. .nothing else is important.. if you cant do this.. then QUIT NOW.. trust me..

                  good vid.
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                  • bettilimbroke999
                    SBR Posting Legend
                    • 02-04-08
                    • 13254

                    #10
                    Too busy watchin porno, maybe next year
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                    • RealSlimShady
                      SBR Hall of Famer
                      • 12-24-07
                      • 6249

                      #11
                      Great video, Justin. Thanks.
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                      • accuscoresucks
                        SBR Hall of Famer
                        • 11-03-07
                        • 7160

                        #12
                        justin can you do your next video in your swimmers
                        that would be nice to see
                        great video atleast for the newcommers
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                        • bettilimbroke999
                          SBR Posting Legend
                          • 02-04-08
                          • 13254

                          #13
                          Best part is from 8:36 on
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                          • pat venditto
                            SBR Posting Legend
                            • 05-07-07
                            • 14347

                            #14
                            justin is one of the few sharps on this forum.
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                            • Brady2Moss
                              SBR MVP
                              • 07-02-08
                              • 1500

                              #15
                              good video, i will be looking for more
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                              • smitch124
                                SBR Posting Legend
                                • 05-19-08
                                • 12566

                                #16
                                Thanks Juston that's a great video, I have a question:

                                How would you calculate the "edge" on a point spread instead of a ML type bet?

                                The Final Line at Pinnacle is

                                Team A -4.5 (-104)
                                Team B +4.5 (-104)

                                Now I can see that getting Team B @ +4.5 at +102 would be a .02 cent edge.

                                But how do you calculate getting Team B @:

                                +5 (-104)
                                +5 (-107)
                                +5 (+100)

                                I would think that it would depend on the sport and what number it is at. For example getting +3.5 in football instead of 3 is a bigger edge than getting +5.5 instead of +5.

                                Are there any guidlines for figuring out your edge in these cases?
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                                • bettilimbroke999
                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                  • 02-04-08
                                  • 13254

                                  #17
                                  Okay I actually watched the video now, it was fairly interesting, my only question is how the hell do I beat the closing number? I mean how do I figure out which way the odds are going to move? Any tips
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                                  • Long John Silver
                                    SBR Rookie
                                    • 06-03-08
                                    • 20

                                    #18
                                    Thanks for the great video.

                                    Question: How do you get this "no-vig closing price"? In your example, it was -100, coming from -104 on both sides.

                                    What would it be for this closing:

                                    Cubs -148
                                    Marlins +128

                                    So what odds am I trying to beat if I wanted to take either the Cubs or Marlins?
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                                    • InTheHole
                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                      • 04-28-08
                                      • 15243

                                      #19
                                      Very Informative. Thanks!
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                                      • Richkas
                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                        • 02-03-08
                                        • 19396

                                        #20
                                        Man Im getting old.
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                                        • Brady2Moss
                                          SBR MVP
                                          • 07-02-08
                                          • 1500

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Long John Silver
                                          Thanks for the great video.

                                          Question: How do you get this "no-vig closing price"? In your example, it was -100, coming from -104 on both sides.

                                          What would it be for this closing:

                                          Cubs -148
                                          Marlins +128

                                          So what odds am I trying to beat if I wanted to take either the Cubs or Marlins?
                                          To answer your question, the "no vig" line in this case would be

                                          -138/+138 (ie a 0 cent line)
                                          You should never bet into a 20 cent MLB moneyline, you can get much better odds at Pinny or Matchbook (or even better, overnight 5dimes ML *only 5 cents!!!*)

                                          You can beat the hell out of 5dimes overnight lines
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                                          • reno cool
                                            SBR MVP
                                            • 07-02-08
                                            • 3567

                                            #22
                                            More interesting than the Kelly video but also somewhat misleading.

                                            I agree that you're a winner if you can consistently get a better price than the closing line.

                                            But that does not mean you can't win consistently simply beating average lines. That is if you ignore closing lines and get equal line movements for or against.

                                            Are you fighting the bookmakers or the market(handicappers)?
                                            Both methods are legit.

                                            Standard deviation and variance are more interesting topics, I'd like to hear more on what you think there. Absolutely a huge issue in gambling. Any one interested in serious gambling with a small edge needs to be aware of these things.
                                            bird bird da bird's da word
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                                            • pico
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                                              • 04-05-07
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                                              #23
                                              nice video
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                                              • gm2022
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                                                • 02-28-08
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                                                #24
                                                Nice video
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                                                • SlappyWhite
                                                  SBR Sharp
                                                  • 07-22-08
                                                  • 443

                                                  #25
                                                  Thank You
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                                                  • LT Profits
                                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                                    • 10-27-06
                                                    • 90963

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Brady2Moss
                                                    To answer your question, the "no vig" line in this case would be

                                                    -138/+138 (ie a 0 cent line)
                                                    You should never bet into a 20 cent MLB moneyline, you can get much better odds at Pinny or Matchbook (or even better, overnight 5dimes ML *only 5 cents!!!*)

                                                    You can beat the hell out of 5dimes overnight lines
                                                    Brady,

                                                    I am afraid it is not that simple. Using an average midpoint ONLY works for Pick'ems (-104/+104, -105/+105, -110/+110).

                                                    In this particluar case, the No Vig Price is calclated as follows:

                                                    Cubs implied -148 = 59.68% (148/248)
                                                    Marlins implied +128 = 43.86% (100/228)

                                                    So:

                                                    59.68/(59.68+43.86) = 57.6%
                                                    43.86/(59.68+43.86) = 42.4%

                                                    No Vig Line = 57.6/42.4 = +/-136.1

                                                    (How was that Ganch? )
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                                                    • HedgeHog
                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                      • 09-11-07
                                                      • 10128

                                                      #27
                                                      Wouldn't the Matchbook final line be just as accurate as Pinny's? Say a game closes at -187/+185 at MB. The fair value (FV) is roughly 186.
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                                                      • ICE-BLOOD
                                                        SBR MVP
                                                        • 07-21-08
                                                        • 1004

                                                        #28
                                                        nice work.
                                                        great video.

                                                        over the course of hundreds and thousands of wagers that small extra edge in juice or points makes a big difference.

                                                        when i place a wager in the morning i always look to see which way the line moves throughout the course of the day. i get a sense of satisfaction when i see i got a good price compared to the prices at the later stages of the day. i feel that the play i made is a good one. if the line changes to where i paid too high i lose confidence in that wager
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                                                        • rake922
                                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                                          • 12-23-07
                                                          • 11692

                                                          #29
                                                          Justin do you think books are laughing at SBR posters who constantly bet on NFL preseason games?
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                                                          • LT Profits
                                                            SBR Aristocracy
                                                            • 10-27-06
                                                            • 90963

                                                            #30
                                                            rake,

                                                            Why should they? I was 77-47, 62% in preseason since 2002 before this year.
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                                                            • Justin7
                                                              SBR Hall of Famer
                                                              • 07-31-06
                                                              • 8577

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by rake922
                                                              Justin do you think books are laughing at SBR posters who constantly bet on NFL preseason games?
                                                              Nope, it's just business. They ignore most players, and flag a few.
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                                                              • TodaysAction
                                                                Restricted User
                                                                • 08-01-08
                                                                • 12762

                                                                #32
                                                                What edge do you have in Sports Betting?
                                                                Daily contact with certain trainers, jockeys and hot walkers.
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                                                                • gordon gekko
                                                                  SBR MVP
                                                                  • 05-01-08
                                                                  • 2842

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Justin keep the videos coming your doing a great job.

                                                                  John where did you find this guy??
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                                                                  • LT Profits
                                                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                                                    • 10-27-06
                                                                    • 90963

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by gordon gekko
                                                                    Justin keep the videos coming your doing a great job.

                                                                    John where did you find this guy??
                                                                    Actually, Justin is not a newbie. I believe he made a cameo appearance on ESPN during a feature they did on Dr. Bob? Wasn't that you Justin?
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                                                                    • gordon gekko
                                                                      SBR MVP
                                                                      • 05-01-08
                                                                      • 2842

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by LT Profits
                                                                      Actually, Justin is not a newbie. I believe he made a cameo appearance on ESPN during a feature they did on Dr. Bob? Wasn't that you Justin?
                                                                      LT, you should make a video.
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