Top 5 rivalries in sports.

[donjuan]

I'm a lover not a hater, Bread.

[Panic]

You're comparing the Apple cup to the NBA championship? And to answer your question, do you think the Celtics or Laker games havent been sold out for the last 20 years regardles of record? And you refering to an inter state rivalry as opposed to one that spans across the US. I certainly hope your joking about this. The Laker/Celtic finals had more viewers than, probably the last 10 years of viewers for the Apple cup. Go around town and see how many Laker or celtic jerseys you see. Then do the same with Washington(assuming you dont live in the state). Let me know when those teams are playing for championships(Bcs titles) like the lakers/Celtics have.

Thank you for opening my eyes.

[Panic]

I'm feeling good. So excuse my grammer.

[donjuan]

You are confusing 2 popular teams with a rivalry. Go pick out two other random popular teams and see how many jerseys you see around town. This has nothing to do with a rivalry. Also, when was the last time 2 rivals played for a national championship in college football?

[Panic]

Don, please google best rivalry in sports and show me any place that has wash/wazzua on it. I can bring many who have Lakers/Celtics. But whats the point. Now youre just arguing for the sake of it. So have fun. I hope someone comes along to play with you.

[BuddyBear]

Apparently rivalries only exist within US borders.

Not only just in the United States, but preferably in major media markets so networks can talk endlessly to build them up, this way corporations can get it on the "rivalry" too.

[BuddyBear]

If you think Lakers/Celtics is in the league of India/Pakistan, you're either nuts or just plain ignorant. I can name at least 15 college rivalries that are bigger than Lakers/Celtics. In no particular order:

Washington/Wazzu
Oregon/Oregon St
Cal/Stanford
A&M/Whorns
Whorns/Oklahoma
Auburn/Alabama
Michigan/Ohio St
Florida/FSU
South Carolina/Clemson
Florida/Georgia
USC/UCLA
Army/Navy
Pitt/WVU
Kansas/Missouri
Georgia/Georgia Tech

I'd add a few more. Utah/BYU is as nasty as anything you've ever seen. The fans there are intense.

Yale/Harvard is also really really big. My brother went to Yale and he still goes back to catch the Yale/Harvard game from time to time b/c it means that much to him, but I doubt there is that same level of hate.

[Bread]

I LOVE YOU BUDDYBEAR!!!

[Panic]

Bread, did you know that the New Mexico/New Mexico st rivalry is bigger than the Sox/Yankees?

[Bread]

I have heard that me vs my Uncle Edwin in a game of gin rummy is up there also.

[donjuan]

Don, please google best rivalry in sports and show me any place that has wash/wazzua on it. I can bring many who have Lakers/Celtics. But whats the point. Now youre just arguing for the sake of it. So have fun. I hope someone comes along to play with you.

Where did I argue that UW/Wazzu was the best sports rivalry? I only said it was a better rivalry than Lakers/Celtics, along with at least 14 other college football rivalries. NBA rivalries are fairly fickle. Whoever are the top couple teams in the league are called a rivalry, only for that rivalry to fizzle out for another one 3 years later. Real rivalries have history and don't go away at the drop of a hat.

[donjuan]

Not only just in the United States, but preferably in major media markets so networks can talk endlessly to build them up, this way corporations can get it on the "rivalry" too.

True, although Michigan-Ohio St gets hyped up a ton and Columbus/Cleveland and Detroit aren't the top media markets in the country.

[Panic]

Where did I argue that UW/Wazzu was the best sports rivalry? I only said it was a better rivalry than Lakers/Celtics, along with at least 14 other college football rivalries. NBA rivalries are fairly fickle. Whoever are the top couple teams in the league are called a rivalry, only for that rivalry to fizzle out for another one 3 years later. Real rivalries have history and don't go away at the drop of a hat.

And the Laker/Celtics dont have history? They go back 50 years and have competed for 11 titles against each other. You bring up colleges that are interstate rivalries and cant even compete for a BCS title against each other and put them on the same level. The reason I said go look for a best rivalry articule is because you will see the Lakers/Celtics on some, along WITH Michigan/Ohio st. So how is that? They put that college rivalry on there, where is Wash/Wazzua?

[donjuan]

And the Laker/Celtics dont have history? They go back 50 years and have competed for 11 titles against each other.

I should have said a continued, consistent history. Lakers/Celtics was nothing for the last 15 years until this year.

You bring up colleges that are interstate rivalries and cant even compete for a BCS title against each other and put them on the same level.

Intrastate rivalries and they don't need to play for a national championship to make the game relevant.

The reason I said go look for a best rivalry articule is because you will see the Lakers/Celtics on some, along WITH Michigan/Ohio st. So how is that? They put that college rivalry on there, where is Wash/Wazzua?

Once again, I never said UW/Wazzu was the best rivalry. Reading Comprehension 101.

[Willie Bee]

Bread, did you know that the New Mexico/New Mexico st rivalry is bigger than the Sox/Yankees?

That actually is a big rivarly over in the Land of Enchantment. And both schools have been building over the years when they play UTEP.

This question is almost like asking what's your favorite color. For my paw-in-law who grew up a pop fly from Ebbets, it will always be Dodgers-Giants even though both teams have been gone from NYC for 50 years now. For me, the best one is still A&M-UT. For my friends in Liverpool, it is them and Manchester United. And I think Arsenal-Man U might still be the Yankees-Red Sox of the EPL. Maybe Chelsea's been moving into that mix as well lately, I'm not sure. In NASCAR, it might still be anyone else vs. Jeff Gordon

[seaborneq]

Duke-UNC
Red Sox-Yankees
Colts-Pats
USC-Notre Dame
OSU-Mich

[Panic]

I should have said a continued, consistent history. Lakers/Celtics was nothing for the last 15 years until this year.



Intrastate rivalries and they don't need to play for a national championship to make the game relevant.



Once again, I never said UW/Wazzu was the best rivalry. Reading Comprehension 101.

This is all fine. But once again you have yet to show me how Wash/Wazzua is a bigger rivalry. Just because you say so doesn't make it so. I give you titles, fans, ratings, articles, ect... All you've give me is...?

[durito]

Professional sports rivalries come and go.

The college teams stay consistent whether each team is 0-10 or 10-0.

[Panic]

durito, thats not the argument. I will concede that college football has rivalries that stay consistent. The argument was, whether Wash/Wazzua is a bigger rivalry than the Lakers/Celtics. And I have yet to hear a compelling argument to support this from Don. He claimed it was. Not as opinion, but as fact. He made the statement that one would have to be ignorant to believe otherwise.

[donjuan]

This is all fine. But once again you have yet to show me how Wash/Wazzua is a bigger rivalry. Just because you say so doesn't make it so. I give you titles, fans, ratings, articles, ect... All you've give me is...?

You've given me titles, which is not germane to any discussion of rivalries. You haven't shown me anything else except random musings about some article you read on the internets a long time ago.

Go on Dawgman.com or it's Coug equivalent and see what happens when you mention the other.

[donjuan]

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/cougars/340683_walden23.html

[Panic]

You've given me titles, which is not germane to any discussion of rivalries. You haven't shown me anything else except random musings about some article you read on the internets a long time ago.

Go on Dawgman.com or it's Coug equivalent and see what happens when you mention the other.

I can bring over articles that have the laker/Celtics on their best rivalry list. Can you do the same for Wash/Wazzua? Just give me one. Just one. Or, are you saying that all those columnists, and the people that support their finds are wrong, and you, DonJuan are right? You wouldnt have that big an ego, would you?

[Panic]

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/cougar..._walden23.html

lol. What does that prove?

[Scratch]

i believe college football, by its nature , is the definition of rivalry.

you have schools playiing an 11 or 12 game schedule and one game at the end of the season can crush everything they've worked for.

i don't think the stakes are as high in an 82 game basketball season where the 2 teams are in differnt conferences, and the only time it really matters is in the finals.

college football rivalries are special to each locale, and some supercede the smaller markets to take a national exposure because of a long history, or proximity of the schools.

unc/duke in basketball follows closely because they are perennial powerhouses and the schools are close geographically.

[Willie Bee]

Just because you say so doesn't make it so.

No doubt depends on how you quantify a rivalry. But I do think that in some cases, someone can just say it's so, and it is. If it's all about how much US media attention -- hours, column inches -- is generated, then it's Yankees-Red Sox, Bears-Packers, Buckeyes-Wolverines, Celtics-Lakers, Longhorns-Sooners, USC-UCLA, Magic-Bird, Arnie-Jack, etc.

But there are some nasty, mean rivalries out there that mean every bit as much as those to their fans. Little Austin Peay and Tennessee State have an intense rivalry. Hell, Austin Peay loves to take down either Vandy or the Vols as well.

Ask Texas Aggies and they'll always spout the Longhorns first, but then a lot will pause and add in they've really grown to hate Texas Tech as much if not more.

Forever and a day, Houston baseball fans were kind to the St. Louis Cardinals, a little bit of old time respect since the Cards had a top farm club in Houston for years. But over the past seven seasons now, 'Stros and Red Bird fans, and the teams, have really grown to dislike one another. That's a much bigger rivalry than the attempted forced rivalry with the Texas Rangers in interleague play.

[donjuan]

I can bring over articles that have the laker/Celtics on their best rivalry list. Can you do the same for Wash/Wazzua? Just give me one. Just one. Or, are you saying that all those columnists, and the people that support their finds are wrong, and you, DonJuan are right? You wouldnt have that big an ego, would you?

I'm saying they are idiots. There is a lot of terrible, terrible sports journalism out there.

[donjuan]

lol. What does that prove?

You wanted something on the Apple Cup. I picked a random, interesting article off of Google.

[Panic]

No doubt depends on how you quantify a rivalry. But I do think that in some cases, someone can just say it's so, and it is. If it's all about how much US media attention -- hours, column inches -- is generated, then it's Yankees-Red Sox, Bears-Packers, Buckeyes-Wolverines, Celtics-Lakers, Longhorns-Sooners, USC-UCLA, Magic-Bird, Arnie-Jack, etc.

But there are some nasty, mean rivalries out there that mean every bit as much as those to their fans. Little Austin Peay and Tennessee State have an intense rivalry. Hell, Austin Peay loves to take down either Vandy or the Vols as well.

Ask Texas Aggies and they'll always spout the Longhorns first, but then a lot will pause and add in they've really grown to hate Texas Tech as much if not more.

Forever and a day, Houston baseball fans were kind to the St. Louis Cardinals, a little bit of old time respect since the Cards had a top farm club in Houston for years. But over the past seven seasons now, 'Stros and Red Bird fans, and the teams, have really grown to dislike one another. That's a much bigger rivalry than the attempted forced rivalry with the Texas Rangers in interleague play.

Agreed. And that was the whole point. This thread was opinion until Don wanted to come in and stir things up. If he had the OPINION that those college rivalries were bigger, fine. State that and move on. Dont try and put people down for their opinion and thats exactly what he was trying to do.

[RogueJuror]

derby de españa real madrid - barça
super clasico boca juniors - river plate
grenal gremio-internacional
derby della madolina ac milan - inter
sevilla - betis

[Panic]

You wanted something on the Apple Cup. I picked a random, interesting article off of Google.

I didnt want any thing on the apple cup. I wanted an article that listed them among the top rivalries in sports. I'll even make it easier. Since people are bringing up college rivalries, show me an article that would list were they rank as far as college rivalries go.

[Panic]

I'm saying they are idiots. There is a lot of terrible, terrible sports journalism out there.

And there it is, kids. Don, what an ego, pal. Nice.

[donjuan]

I didnt want any thing on the apple cup. I wanted an article that listed them among the top rivalries in sports. I'll even make it easier. Since people are bringing up college rivalries, show me an article that would list were they rank as far as college rivalries go.

You really know how to move the goalposts. Once again, I never said the Apple Cup was a top college football rivalry, just that it is a better rivalry than Lakers-Celtics, which is only relevant occasionally.

Agreed. And that was the whole point. This thread was opinion until Don wanted to come in and stir things up. If he had the OPINION that those college rivalries were bigger, fine. State that and move on. Dont try and put people down for their opinion and thats exactly what he was trying to do.

You have a short memory. I was chastising you and others for having such a narrow outlook.

And there it is, kids. Don, what an ego, pal. Nice.

Not much of an ego, really. Just an understanding that the vast majority of sports journalism is extremely poor. The egos in this thread are the ones of posters who are so arrogant as to think the top 5 sporting rivalries in the world all come from the US.

[Panic]

You really know how to move the goalposts. Once again, I never said the Apple Cup was a top college football rivalry, just that it is a better rivalry than Lakers-Celtics, which is only relevant occasionally.



You have a short memory. I was chastising you and others for having such a narrow outlook.



Not much of an ego, really. Just an understanding that the vast majority of sports journalism is extremely poor. The egos in this thread are the ones of posters who are so arrogant as to think the top 5 sporting rivalries in the world all come from the US.

Pt 1: Never moved the goalposts. I made it clear what type article I was looking for. Still waiting for you to show how it is bigger than the Lakers/Celtics. But, regardless, if you had stated it as opinion and kept going, all would be fine.

pt 2: Thats the problem. Why come in and chastize anyone? Do you fell better about yourself? Absolutely no reason for that, other than to cause touble.

pt 3: Write a sports article. I would like to read it.

[donjuan]

Pt 1: Never moved the goalposts. I made it clear what type article I was looking for. Still waiting for you to show how it is bigger than the Lakers/Celtics. But, regardless, if you had stated it as opinion and kept going, all would be fine.

You made it clear what you wanted even though it had nothing to do with the argument at hand.

pt 2: Thats the problem. Why come in and chastize anyone? Do you fell better about yourself? Absolutely no reason for that, other than to cause touble.

Because ignorance deserves to be chastised.

pt 3: Write a sports article. I would like to read it.

Pay me and I will.

[Bread]

You made it clear what you wanted even though it had nothing to do with the argument at hand.



Because ignorance deserves to be chastised.



Pay me and I will.

Don...you're starting to come off as a bit desperate. It is obvious that you are a troublemaker in the same mold as Buddy.... Just say it. Say "I'm a dick, that's why". I will respect you in the morning. I have no problem with those guys.