Out Of The AAA Club, Now This? Read This American Slaves!

[forsberg21]

Sorry but this time your flat out wrong. These bonds were purchased a while back. You were wrong, just admit it.

LOL, there's no reference to these bonds ANYWHERE. Give me a link to a LEGITIMATE source that verifies this. Otherwise, STFU retard.

You're retarded even thinking that a nation with TRILLIONS of dollars in foreign currency reserves would need to borrow money. That's like Bill Gates taking out a bank loan to buy a car. How dumb are you?

[ACoochy]

The reason is simple. Americans think they're hot shyt and I'm just doing my civic duty as a global citizen to put them in their place and expose them for the pathetic nation they are. The US used to be a country everyone looked up to. Now the place is going down the gutter and they still continue smoking that cheap patriotic crack to deal with the reality of their eventual demise.

Forsy one of the mian problems i see from a secular outsiders perspective is that they allow religion to have such a stranglehold on the national psyche that the differentiation between fiction and reality is often blurred in fearmongering and socially harmful vitriolic...

[The Bet Master]

LOL, there's no reference to these bonds ANYWHERE. Give me a link to a LEGITIMATE source that verifies this. Otherwise, STFU retard.

You're retarded even thinking that a nation with TRILLIONS of dollars in foreign currency reserves would need to borrow money. That's like Bill Gates taking out a bank loan to buy a car. How dumb are you?

Yes because China has always been rich . Pull out a history book my friend. Also I posted a quote back in the thread. Google is your friend as well.

[forsberg21]

Concern is rising that should the US default and not pay its creditors in a timely manner, China will refuse to purchase US bonds in the future. This it is feared, will require the US to dramatically increase the interest rates offered to attract future US bond buyers, and toss the US economy back into the proverbial ditch.

It is certainly hoped the debt ceiling and future significant debtreductions will be agreed to soon in a way that is a genuine step forward, and not simply more business as well. But there is an avenue available for the United States to reduce its debt obligations by nearly $1 trillion.

China--the communist one-- owes the US $750 billion in interest andprincipal on bonds sold to American citizens for the first 50 years of the past century. These bonds are totally legitimate and many were to be paid back at a price pegged to the price of gold, with most coming due between 1959 and 1970.

In 1987, in the deal giving Hong Kong back to the PRC, British PrimeMinister Margaret Thatcher demanded that Peking pay the principal andinterest due on these same bonds. China accepted responsibility for making good on these bonds, under the successor government doctrine.

In 2003 at the United Nations, the Chinese demanded that Iraq be required to pay back its international obligations, despite the elimination of the government of Saddam Hussein.

The Chinese government sent the US government a note to its embassy inPeking a few years ago, officially refusing to honor their sovereign debt, thus defaulting on these obligations.

Previously, under the doctrine of sovereign immunity, the government inPeking was simply protected from lawsuits by American citizens to recover their rightful interest and principal.

Now, these bonds are not "warlord" bonds. They are real; they were sold by the Republic of China over many years to support infrastructure projects, and brokered and sold by the world's most important banks. The US has the right simply to withhold from Peking the interest owed China as an offset to the $750 billion owed American citizens. If we do this, we save nearly $1 trillion owed China and nearly $1 trillion gets invested in the US economy.

An organization formed many years ago for the express purpose ofrepresenting American bond holders is proposing that such funds as are owed to these Americans be transferred to the American Bondholders Foundation, and then disbursed to the holders of the bonds, with separate funds going to each state and a host of charitable organizations. Each state, from Maine to Florida, Alaska to California, Texas to Minnesota, would get a one-time payment of $2 billion.

A further benefit is that over a period of years, the US would be able to significantly reduce its debt obligations and as a result, bring its books into better balance, and deflect, for the moment at least, misguided calls for massive cuts in the US defense budget.

Great copy and paste job. Do you even know what this means?

What's the source, that propaganda site that you found in Google? Why is there NO MENTION of this $750 billion in Chinese bonds ANYWHERE???

[King Mayan]

Forsy one of the mian problems i see from a secular outsiders perspective is that they allow religion to have such a stranglehold on the national psyche that the differentiation between fiction and reality is often blurred in fearmongering and socially harmful vitriolic...

I think the biggest problem we have is that religion is dying in the USA, all that's left is eithier selfish atheists or selfish evangelists/Christians.

[andywend]

America is only as great as its citizens and my government has turned its citizens into government depending drones.

Nobody in my country lives up to their responsibilities and my government encourages irresponsible behavior making victims out of people who walk out on their home mortgages, encourages people to remain unemployed by offering them 99 weeks of unemployment benefits, bankrupting our nation with entitlement programs that our country can NOT afford, demonizing the success of others and 2 political parties that can NOT agree on anything.

I have no doubt that every country has its share of problems but you don't see Americans bashing other countries the way you do.

Forsberg, it is not your civic duty to come onto this forum and make an ass out of yourself on a daily basis.

There are plenty of people who post on this forum that do NOT live in the U.S. and they all think you're a horses ass as well.

[forsberg21]

Family Security Matters??? Are you serious? That is your source? For fukks sake. I'm done with you. You'd believe that unicorns exist if you saw a picture of one on the internet.

[The Bet Master]

Great copy and paste job. Do you even know what this means?

What's the source, that propaganda site that you found in Google? Why is there NO MENTION of this $750 billion in Chinese bonds ANYWHERE???

http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.10042/pub_detail.asp

http://grendelreport.posterous.com/how-to-reduce-the-federal-deficit-by-750-bill

and I guess the "Propoganda" website

http://americanbondholdersfoundation.com/

Do I need to keep listing stuff. #Winning.

[ACoochy]

I think the biggest problem we have is that religion is dying in the USA, all that's left is eithier selfish atheists or selfish evangelists/Christians.

Mayan name me sonething that has killed more innocent husbands, wives and children in the name of something that cant be proven to even exist?? Religion is the most powerful, mind altering drug ever created, responsible for more deaths than all other drugs combined..
Dont expect u to agree with me, after all u r submersed in that culture and probably are told not to think any different...

Mayan u will find that the most successful and economically powerful countries on earth are those that are secular...A separation between church and state is vital to maintain the independence of each...

[The Bet Master]

Family Security Matters??? Are you serious? That is your source? For fukks sake. I'm done with you. You'd believe that unicorns exist if you saw a picture of one on the internet.

Mad your wrong? Also are you from Sweden?

[WileOut]

Until the Chinese can stop our Airforce from turning their entire country into part of the sea bottom, there is nothing they can do. Now give Obama another 4 years with his anti military views and another credit downgrade and the Chinese are in business. That fuking idiot would disarm our entire military if he had his wish.

[forsberg21]

America is only as great as its citizens and my government has turned its citizens into government depending drones.

Nobody in my country lives up to their responsibilities and my government encourages irresponsible behavior making victims out of people who walk out on their home mortgages, encourages people to remain unemployed by offering them 99 weeks of unemployment benefits, bankrupting our nation with entitlement programs that our country can NOT afford, demonizing the success of others and 2 political parties that can NOT agree on anything.

I have no doubt that every country has its share of problems but you don't see Americans bashing other countries the way you do.

Forsberg, it is not your civic duty to come onto this forum and make an ass out of yourself on a daily basis.

There are plenty of people who post on this forum that do NOT live in the U.S. and they all think you're a horses ass as well.

You're joking, right? Americans think that everyone living outside their borders lives in 3rd world countries. Americans think that they produce the greatest and ONLY medical advances, that they contribute everything intellectual to the world, that they live in the greatest country in the world and that they are God's gift to the world. The facts are completely the reverse. The US is a cesspool of obese rednecks whose ignorance and lack of common sense about the rest of the world are an embarrassment.

[forsberg21]

http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.10042/pub_detail.asp

http://grendelreport.posterous.com/how-to-reduce-the-federal-deficit-by-750-bill

and I guess the "Propoganda" website

http://americanbondholdersfoundation.com/

Do I need to keep listing stuff. #Winning.

American Bond Holders Foundation?
Grendel Report?
Family Security Matters?

What the hell are these? You call these sources?

Until you list a credible source such as the Wall Street Journal, The Economist, any recognized media organization, or even Yahoo Finance, this isn't going to fly. You're gullible bro, very naive.

[The Bet Master]

You're joking, right? Americans think that everyone living outside their borders lives in 3rd world countries. Americans think that they produce the greatest and ONLY medical advances, that they contribute everything intellectual to the world, that they live in the greatest country in the world and that they are God's gift to the world. The facts are completely the reverse. The US is a cesspool of obese rednecks whose ignorance and lack of common sense about the rest of the world are an embarrassment.

Maybe that's what you think that we think. Certainly not true. I guess if you listen to news on Fox in America I could see where your coming from, but I thought that you were smarter then believing they speak for the rest of us. I guess if you saw a Unicorn picture on the internet you'd believe that it was real as well .

[forsberg21]

Maybe that's what you think that we think. Certainly not true. I guess if you listen to news on Fox in America I could see where your coming from, but I thought that you were smarter then believing they speak for the rest of us. I guess if you saw a Unicorn picture on the internet you'd believe that it was real as well .

No, you're just oblivious to how ignorant you are.

[xbalto]

Great, so what's your point, that Americans themselves are too dumb to fill their own schools? They don't have enough intelligent ones so they have to bring in foreigners to fill the classrooms?

nailed it. did you get your letter from MIT yet?

[zam77]

You're joking, right? Americans think that everyone living outside their borders lives in 3rd world countries. Americans think that they produce the greatest and ONLY medical advances, that they contribute everything intellectual to the world, that they live in the greatest country in the world and that they are God's gift to the world. The facts are completely the reverse. The US is a cesspool of obese rednecks whose ignorance and lack of common sense about the rest of the world are an embarrassment.

What a fuking moron of a post... and you say we have a lack of common sense.

[The Bet Master]

No, you're just oblivious to how ignorant you are.

Ok can I get an article on that from a credible source. There is no way that is true. Stop making up stuff liar!!!

[andywend]

Medical advances - America leads the world in medical advances which is why the wealthy from around the world come to the U.S. when they need serious, complex medical care. Having the best medical care comes with a high price tag which I am more than willing to pay. Unfortunately, most Americans don't agree with me on this. If ObamaCare is fully implemented and the U.S. makes the same mistake as other countries who have socialized their medical care systems, the U.S. will fall far far behind in this area.

Contributing everything intellectual to the world - I don't believe the USA is anywhere near the top in this area.

U.S. being the greatest country in the world - Most definitely in the past but our lead is shrinking very quickly.

Americans thinking they are God's gift to the world - Less than 1% of Americans think this

Forsberg, which country do you reside in? Is it perfect? Are you personally responsible for all of your country's shortcomings?

[forsberg21]

Ok can I get an article on that from a credible source. There is no way that is true. Stop making up stuff liar!!!

No need for sources here. This is as common knowledge as 2+2=4. Americans are ignorant.

[The Bet Master]

No need for sources here. This is as common knowledge as 2+2=4. Americans are ignorant.

No source? Not a valid claim then. Anyways are you from Canada or Sweden?

[forsberg21]

Medical advances - America leads the world in medical advances which is why the wealthy from around the world come to the U.S. when they need serious, complex medical care. Having the best medical care comes with a high price tag which I am more than willing to pay. Unfortunately, most Americans don't agree with me on this. If ObamaCare is fully implemented and the U.S. makes the same mistake as other countries who have socialized their medical care systems, the U.S. will fall far far behind in this area.

Contributing everything intellectual to the world - I don't believe the USA is anywhere near the top in this area.

U.S. being the greatest country in the world - Most definitely in the past but our lead is shrinking very quickly.

Americans thinking they are God's gift to the world - Less than 1% of Americans think this

Forsberg, which country do you reside in? Is it perfect? Are you personally responsible for all of your country's shortcomings?

So I guess you took back your theory as to why people will continue buying US Treasuries, right? Because of the military... LOL. Your explanation was retarded. Just retarded. Nice try though.

This post is just as bad. If you don't enjoy me rip this joke of a nation apart with surgical precision, why do you continue posting? Just stop and face the face that the USA is nothing but a self absorbed disgrace to the world.

[zam77]

So I guess you took back your theory as to why people will continue buying US Treasuries, right? Because of the military... LOL. Your explanation was retarded. Just retarded. Nice try though. This post is just as bad. If you don't enjoy me rip this joke of a nation apart with surgical precision, why do you continue posting? Just stop and face the face that the USA is nothing but a self absorbed disgrace to the world.

What a fuking narrow minded moron. You are calling people retards.

[andywend]

So I guess you took back your theory as to why people will continue buying US Treasuries, right? Because of the military... LOL. Your explanation was retarded. Just retarded. Nice try though.This post is just as bad. If you don't enjoy me rip this joke of a nation apart with surgical precision, why do you continue posting? Just stop and face the face that the USA is nothing but a self absorbed disgrace to the world.

If our military spending gets cut significantly, world-wide confidence in the U.S will fall considerably and that will be seriously reflected in U.S. treasuries.

You continue to preach on and on that the USA is a joke and yet the entire world disagrees with you. People that really matter (unlike yourself) are willing to accept paltry returns on their money to have their money invested in the U.S.

I have no idea what happened in your life that turned you into a BITTER PRUNE but you certainly deserve all the misery this world has to offer.

The biggest disgrace in the world is very easy to find - JUST TAKE A GOOD LONG LOOK IN THE MIRROR AND YOU'LL SEE IT CLEAR AS DAY!!!

[forsberg21]

If our military spending gets cut significantly, world-wide confidence in the U.S will fall considerably and that will be seriously reflected in U.S. treasuries.

You continue to preach on and on that the USA is a joke and yet the entire world disagrees with you. People that really matter (unlike yourself) are willing to accept paltry returns on their money to have their money invested in the U.S.

I have no idea what happened in your life that turned you into a BITTER PRUNE but you certainly deserve all the misery this world has to offer.

The biggest disgrace in the world is very easy to find - JUST TAKE A GOOD LONG LOOK IN THE MIRROR AND YOU'LL SEE IT CLEAR AS DAY!!!

Why do you love your military so much? If the US cuts its military budget significantly, the capital markets will look upon this favourably since it will show that the US is FINALLY taking steps to be fiscally responsible.

Just STFU man, you have no fkn clue what you're talking about. You link everything to the military. You linked US Treasuries to the military. You probably think that the military was responsible for Tiger Woods' demise or the stock market collapse this week. Get an education man because you're just plain retarded.

[King Mayan]

I have no idea what happened in your life that turned you into a BITTER PRUNE but you certainly deserve all the misery this world has to

pot meet kettle.

[andywend]

Forsberg, you are a SNOT-NOSED 20 something year old who has accomplished ABSOLUTELY NOTHING with your life.

You think you know everything and yet life seems to be giving you a swift kick in the ass.

Did you recently graduate college only to find out that there are nothing but minimum wage jobs waiting for you?

You have an incredible amount of bitterness for someone so immature both in personality and years.

You are going to spend your entire life totally alone as nobody is going to want to be around a filthy, bitter TROLL like you.

May your bitterness continue!!!!

King Mayan (SBR's very own steroid freak), you are a disgrace to the U.S. military and truly a Marine cog gone absolutely haywire.

[forsberg21]

Forsberg, you are a SNOT-NOSED 20 something year old who has accomplished ABSOLUTELY NOTHING with your life.

You think you know everything and yet life seems to be giving you a swift kick in the ass.

Did you recently graduate college only to find out that there are nothing but minimum wage jobs waiting for you?

You have an incredible amount of bitterness for someone so immature both in personality and years.

You are going to spend your entire life totally alone as nobody is going to want to be around a filthy, bitter TROLL like you.

May your bitterness continue and the same goes for you King Mayan (SBR's very own steroid freak), a Marine cog gone absolutely haywire.

You know nothing about me pal. I've visited and lived in more countries than you'll see in your lifetime.

Great Wall of China, Shanghai, Hong Kong, Paris, London, Vienna, Berlin, Abu Dhabi, Dubai... I've been to all those places and more. I was at World Cup 2006 in Germany. I have nothing left to prove to you.

[andywend]

I have nothing left to prove to you.

You don't need to prove anything to me as I can care less what becomes of you. However, you clearly have self-esteem issues and have not as yet proved to yourself that you're worth anything of consequence.<!-- / message -->

[forsberg21]

You don't need to prove anything to me as I can care less what becomes of you. However, you clearly have self-esteem issues and have not as yet proved to yourself that you're worth anything of consequence.<!-- / message -->

Keep trying to convince the world that US Treasury bond purchases are determined by the US military. You're an idiot. Go learn something useful and stop spewing nonsense.

[zam77]

You know nothing about me pal. I've visited and lived in more countries than you'll see in your lifetime. Great Wall of China, Shanghai, Hong Kong, Paris, London, Vienna, Berlin, Abu Dhabi, Dubai... I've been to all those places and more. I was at World Cup 2006 in Germany. I have nothing left to prove to you.

So easy to see right through you. You're a hypocrite for starters.

[andywend]

Keep trying to convince the world that US Treasury bond purchases are determined by the US military. You're an idiot. Go learn something useful and stop spewing nonsense.

As I said earlier, you are a SNOT-NOSED 20 something PUNK who thinks he knows everything. You haven't accomplished a thing with your pathetic life and probably never will.

The world flocks to U.S. Treasuries due to confidence in our nation. If our military gets depleted, so will the confidence.

Its not rocket science so even a snot-nosed kid like you should be able to understand it.

You have already wasted too much of my time so don't bother responding back, PUNK!!!

[forsberg21]

As I said earlier, you are a SNOT-NOSED 20 something PUNK who thinks he knows everything. You haven't accomplished a thing with your pathetic life and probably never will.

The world flocks to U.S. Treasuries due to confidence in our nation. If our military gets depleted, so will the confidence.

Its not rocket science so even a snot-nosed kid like you should be able to understand it.

You have already wasted too much of my time so don't bother responding back, PUNK!!!

Investors flock to it because there are no other stable alternatives in currency at the moment YOU RETARDED PIECE OF SHYT.

Why the fukk do you think everything is connected to the military? Your head must be full of nothing but air. You must have been dropped on your head multiple times when you were an infant, it's the only way to explain this utter bullshyt you write.

[hardball]

You're retarded even thinking that a nation with TRILLIONS of dollars in foreign currency reserves would need to borrow money. That's like Bill Gates taking out a bank loan to buy a car. How dumb are you?

I can't even believe the level of financial incompetence this comment projects.

You have no significant net worth. Guaranteed. If you did, you would comprehend the sheer stupidity in this post.

At 27, you have taken a community college course in macroeconomics and attempt to feel validated by spewing your uneducated blasts on a gambling forum.

Narcissism is a bitch. Keep hitting the bottle. Get help Will Hunting.

[forsberg21]

I can't even believe the level of financial incompetence this comment projects.

You have no significant net worth. Guaranteed. If you did, you would comprehend the sheer stupidity in this post.

At 27, you have taken a community college course in macroeconomics and attempt to feel validated by spewing your uneducated blasts on a gambling forum.

Narcissism is a bitch. Keep hitting the bottle. Get help Will Hunting.

Gawd, another retard. I'm not going to tell you my net worth, but I'll GUARANTEE that it's well above average for someone my age.

If you're such a financial guru you assume yourself to be, why don't you tell me why that comment was "incompetent"? Step up to the plate pal, let's hear it.