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  • lemart5
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    • 01-12-11
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    Marine shot 60 times by swat officers.
    A Tucson, Ariz., SWAT team defends shooting an Iraq War veteran 60 times during a drug raid, although it declines to say whether it found any drugs in the house and has had to retract its claim that the veteran shot first.

    And the Pima County sheriff scolded the media for "questioning the legality" of the shooting.

    Jose Guerena, 26, died the morning of May 5. He was asleep in his Tucson home after working a night shift at the Asarco copper mine when his wife, Vanessa, saw the armed SWAT team outside her youngest son's bedroom window.

    "She saw a man pointing at her with a gun," said Reyna Ortiz, 29, a relative who is caring for Vanessa and her children. Ortiz said Vanessa Guerena yelled, "Don't shoot! I have a baby!"

    Vanessa Guerena thought the gunman might be part of a home invasion -- especially because two members of her sister-in-law's family, Cynthia and Manny Orozco, were killed last year in their Tucson home, her lawyer, Chris Scileppi, said. She shouted for her husband in the next room, and he woke up and told his wife to hide in the closet with the child, Joel, 4.



    Guerena grabbed his assault rifle and was pointing it at the SWAT team, which was trying to serve a narcotics search warrant as part of a multi-house drug crackdown, when the team broke down the door. At first the Pima County Sheriff's Office said that Guerena fired first, but on Wednesday officials backtracked and said he had not. "The safety was on and he could not fire," according to the sheriff's statement.

    Tucson SWAT Team Shot Iraq War Vet 60 Times

    SWAT team members fired 71 times and hit Guerena 60 times, police said.

    In a frantic 911 call, Vanessa Guerena begged for medical help for her husband. "He's on the floor!" she said, crying, to the 911 operator. "Can you please hurry up?"

    Asked if law enforcement was inside or outside the house, she told the operator, according to a transcript of the call, that they were inside. "They were ... going to shoot me. And I put my kid in front of me."

    A report by ABC News affiliate KGUN found that more than an hour had passed before the SWAT team let the paramedics work on Guerena. By then he was dead.

    A spokesman for Sheriff Clarence Dupnik said he could not discuss whether any drugs had been found at the home or make any other comment. "We're waiting for the investigation to be complete," he said.

    In a statement, the sheriff's office criticized the media, saying that while questions will inevitably be raised, "It is unacceptable and irresponsible to couch those questions with implications of secrecy and a coverup, not to mention questioning the legality of actions that could not have been taken without the approval of an impartial judge."

    Mike Storie, a lawyer for the SWAT team, said at a press conference Thursday that weapons and body armor were found in the home as well as a photo of Jesus Malverde, who Storie called a "patron saint drug runner," according to KGUN.

    Storie defended the long delay in allowing paramedics to enter the home, saying of the SWAT team, "They still don't know how many shooters are inside, how many guns are inside and they still have to assume that they will be ambushed if they walk in this house."

    But Scileppi, Vanessa Guerena's lawyer, said officers were "circling their wagons."They found nothing in the house that was illegal," he said. Framing the delay in providing medical attention as a tactical decision is "nonsense," Scileppi said. "There was an ambulance there in two minutes and they were never allowed in."

    He pointed out that when Rep. Gabrielle Giffords was shot in Tucson, law enforcement let paramedics have access to victims in a far more volatile situation.

    "The pieces don't fit. I think it was poor planning, overreaction and now they're trying to CYA," Scileppi said.

    Guerena served two tours of duty in Iraq until he left the Marines in 2006.



    "Every time he was under my command, he definitely pulled his weight," said Leo Verdugo, his master sergeant in Iraq, who helped arrange for Guerena to be buried in his Marine dress blue uniform. "I have a hard time grasping how something so tragic could happen."

    He speculated that perhaps it was a case of mistaken identity. "At the wrong place at the wrong time in his own home," he said.

    Vanessa Guerena is "devastated and distraught" and seeking justice for her husband and two sons, said her lawyer. "The main thing she wants is her husband's name cleared and his honor restored."

    The oldest boy, Jose, turns 6 on Tuesday. "He went to school, came back and never saw his daddy again," said Ortiz. As for Joel, "He's asking, 'Why did the police kill my daddy?'

    "We were so worried when he was over there fighting terrorism, but he gets shot in his own home," Ortiz said. "The government killed one of their own."
  • itchypickle
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    • 11-05-09
    • 21452

    #2
    That sucks.
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    • jjgold
      SBR Aristocracy
      • 07-20-05
      • 388179

      #3
      Every guy on Swat team should get life in prison
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      • Stallion
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        • 03-21-10
        • 3617

        #4
        Originally posted by jjgold
        Every guy on Swat team should get life in prison
        Agreed.
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        • BonziWells
          SBR Wise Guy
          • 03-08-10
          • 552

          #5
          agree
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          • King Mayan
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            • 09-22-10
            • 21326

            #6
            It's Arizona..

            Piece of shit muthafukkas.
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            • FuzzyDunlop
              SBR MVP
              • 01-15-11
              • 2422

              #7
              It's ok though because he had a picture of the "Saint of The Poor" on his wall. God this ******* irates me, war on drugs is awesome.
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              • borednaz
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                • 08-28-10
                • 3809

                #8
                AZ never gets better. It's been a big issue here lately. It was a mass killing nothing more. 60 shots into one man, that's not tactics it's a murder firing squad style. It's disgusting. What man, much less military man startled by gun totting idiots wouldn't defend his home/family.
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                • lemart5
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                  • 01-12-11
                  • 2818

                  #9
                  He should have taken a few with him
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                  • postal warrior
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                    • 09-25-10
                    • 1330

                    #10
                    Way to treat a man who served our country.
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                    • Jordan23
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                      • 04-26-10
                      • 1227

                      #11
                      This is pathetic. There is no excuse for it.
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                      • DennisGreen
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                        • 11-27-08
                        • 18369

                        #12
                        Brutal. You would think they've had guns pointed at them before enough that they wouldn't just open up a firing squad on the poor guy.
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                        • lemart5
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                          • 01-12-11
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                          #13
                          Then what gets me is they watched the man choke on his blood for 1hour and 12 minutes
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                          • VegasRandy
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                            • 12-30-07
                            • 103

                            #14
                            You guys believe everything the media reports? The investigation isn't even over but the media already knows all the specfics? Let all the information out before jumping to conclusions. If the swat team is wrong then they need to be held accountable but the media seems to be leading people to the conclusions that brings the most attention.
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                            • lemart5
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                              • 01-12-11
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                              #15
                              Randy if I shot you 60 times and got arrested for murder the D.A would say I executed you and probably would be sentenced to death.What the general public should reealize is it could have been any one of us .There should be a law tha requires law enforcement to double check addresses .
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                              • CreaturE
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                                • 03-28-10
                                • 1081

                                #16
                                FuzzyDunlop, thanks for that avatar. Was a nice picture.
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                                • chemicalbrother
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                                  • 01-26-11
                                  • 4086

                                  #17
                                  a war vet couldn't figure out that his safety was on?
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                                  • chilidog
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                                    • 04-05-09
                                    • 10305

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by CreaturE
                                    FuzzyDunlop, thanks for that avatar. Was a nice picture.
                                    LOL, I see that the curiosity got the best of you, too.
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                                    • Scottish
                                      SBR Wise Guy
                                      • 12-21-10
                                      • 588

                                      #19
                                      Why not 59 or 61 times, did they want a nice round number?
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                                      • VegasRandy
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                                        • 12-30-07
                                        • 103

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by lemart5
                                        Randy if I shot you 60 times and got arrested for murder the D.A would say I executed you and probably would be sentenced to death.What the general public should reealize is it could have been any one of us .There should be a law tha requires law enforcement to double check addresses .
                                        The British media is reporting he was shot 71 times. I'm saying you can't trust the media. Once the investigation is complete we will know more. Let the facts come out before coming to any conclusions. That's fair, right?
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                                        • postal warrior
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                                          • 09-25-10
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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by VegasRandy
                                          You guys believe everything the media reports? The investigation isn't even over but the media already knows all the specfics? Let all the information out before jumping to conclusions. If the swat team is wrong then they need to be held accountable but the media seems to be leading people to the conclusions that brings the most attention.
                                          When the SWAT team officials change their story from he shot at us first to he never fired the gun something sounds shady. Not to mention the lawyer of the family who most likely knows what was found in the house comes out and says nothing illegal was found their is something wrong here.
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                                          • VegasRandy
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                                            • 12-30-07
                                            • 103

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by postal warrior
                                            When the SWAT team officials change their story from he shot at us first to he never fired the gun something sounds shady. Not to mention the lawyer of the family who most likely knows what was found in the house comes out and says nothing illegal was found their is something wrong here.
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                                            • VegasRandy
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                                              • 12-30-07
                                              • 103

                                              #23
                                              The media can create sensational stories to create outrage. It drives news coverage, increasing rating. Facts, we need facts and that will come from the investigation.

                                              Fry the cops if they did wrong, but I don't trust the media.
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                                              • muldoon
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                                                • 01-04-10
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                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by VegasRandy
                                                The media can create sensational stories to create outrage. It drives news coverage, increasing rating. Facts, we need facts and that will come from the investigation.

                                                Fry the cops if they did wrong, but I don't trust the media.
                                                Love or hate the media, they are the ones that file the majority of the FOIA requests and show up at the public meetings putting representatives on the public record asking the right (hopefully) questions.

                                                Without the media, people directly affected by this shooting would be outraged, a million versions would circulate on the net for a few days, and then the majority of the public would lose interest shortly after.

                                                Services like Knight-Ridder (now McClatchy) is 2nd banana to the Associate Press, but if you want solid "media" reporting on the majority of stuff that occurs in the world, check them out.
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                                                • fishmonger
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                                                  • 12-31-08
                                                  • 1492

                                                  #25
                                                  If someone's busting in my house, police or not, they are going to get some hot lead in them. I was in the Marines and dammed if i don't shoot first. I feel bad for the Marine even if he was dealing drugs. He didn't deserve what he got unless he killed people while he was running drugs.
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                                                  • borednaz
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                                                    • 08-28-10
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                                                    #26
                                                    From the reports coming out they never once identified themselves as police.. That's pretty standard procedure. All of them regardless of intent should stand trial.
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                                                    • VegasRandy
                                                      SBR High Roller
                                                      • 12-30-07
                                                      • 103

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by borednaz
                                                      From the reports coming out they never once identified themselves as police.. That's pretty standard procedure. All of them regardless of intent should stand trial.
                                                      Do cops get tried for murder when in the line of duty?

                                                      Not too long ago in Las Vegas a retired military officers was at store when a employee noticed he was carrying a concealed weapon. The employee calls the cops and the police show up a shot the guy dead. This retired military guy had a concealed weapons permit and some witnesses said he never disobeyed the cops but they still killed him.

                                                      Nothing happened to the cops. Seems like line of duty or not you just can't start blasting.

                                                      The cop who killed this guy was a pretty young cop who had already killed one person earlier in his career. He's still on the job.
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                                                      • lemart5
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                                                        #28
                                                        They wouldent get past my front gate
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                                                        • borednaz
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                                                          • 08-28-10
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                                                          #29
                                                          Everyday I wake up In Arizona is another day I wish I had the cash to move. This place gets more idiotic on a daily basis. We have free/open carry laws where if your over 21 you can carry a gun no permit required now. We have that insane harass a Mexican law legal or not that is being fought so vigorously in court.

                                                          Now we have legal medical marijuana while we people in Tucson try to separate from Arizona to form BAJA Arizona a new state. Add up the whole ball of wax and you can see how happy I'am to be raising kids here. God I need to start up a collection or something to move....

                                                          California even looks more sane at this point. I never thought I would type those words.
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                                                          • THE PROFIT
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                                                            • 11-27-09
                                                            • 17701

                                                            #30
                                                            This shit is getting out of hand. Keep your guns close boys, aim for the fukin head because they wear body armor.
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                                                            • DennisGreen
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                                                              • 11-27-08
                                                              • 18369

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by lemart5
                                                              Then what gets me is they watched the man choke on his blood for 1hour and 12 minutes
                                                              What did the cops have a stop watch and were making bets on over/under 45 minutes before he died? Bad joke but pretty precise number there. The 60 bullets is the most fcuked up part, what is this freakin' Training Day where Denzel gets destroyed at the end? 1 or 2 probably would have done the trick.
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                                                              • polskboy
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                                                                • 01-29-10
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                                                                #32
                                                                that is sad not to feel safe in your own home.why they come in blasting???
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                                                                • THE PROFIT
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                                                                  • 11-27-09
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  because they think they can
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                                                                  • Iced
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Cops/SWAT/military/government employees never get in trouble for doing illegal BS like this. Maybe three weeks of paid leave.

                                                                    Land of the free, home of the brave...
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                                                                    • trixtrix
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                                                                      • 04-13-06
                                                                      • 1897

                                                                      #35
                                                                      12 navy seals shot an unarmed bin laden in cold blood, karma?
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