should marijuana be legalized throughout the united states?

[Frostware]

Anyone know a good place to get a legit vaporizer, like the Volcano, but at a cheap price? I want something high quality that works well to make the most outta the weed I get. I figure I smoke enough of it, I mind as well get more THC rather than using a lil water pipe.

I bought this one and it works great. Can use bags(Volcano) or direct hose. Not cheap, but cheaper then Volcano. Used with a remote for ease... 3 fan speeds. Even a timer, encase you pass out. Check it out.

[teaserpleaser]

Anyone know a good place to get a legit vaporizer, like the Volcano, but at a cheap price? I want something high quality that works well to make the most outta the weed I get. I figure I smoke enough of it, I mind as well get more THC rather than using a lil water pipe.

try budtrader i see used ones for sale for $350 all the time... new for $450 on craigslist i just said fukk it and paid $480 @ local smoke shop they wanted $650 lol for a classic easy vape 18 months ago it just gave out the green button blew out and the red button sticks ( i use that thing like a rented mule on at least 6 hours a day everyday) but storz & bickel has 3 year warranty ( i just mailed it back yesterday to oakland for repairs) i've used extreme, vapzilla, alot of other vapes if you can get a volcano get it you will not only save herb but you will get lifted its the best imo...happy hunting.l

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[kickenchicken]

no we have too many lazy fluckers in this country now as it is

[Frostware]

It will make you lazy sometimes... But never an @$$hole like 95% of people when they drink!

[darrell74]

I voted yes but with a caution.

If their is a way that they were careful in regulating against abusers:
people driving under the influence of THC
people smoking in public
people who smoke it at home with children around

If their is a way to carefully police these foreseeable potential problems, then I'm okay with it.

[chilidog]

I voted yes but with a caution.

If their is a way that they were careful in regulating against abusers:
people driving under the influence of THC
people smoking in public
people who smoke it at home with children around

If their is a way to carefully police these foreseeable potential problems, then I'm okay with it.

What are your concerns here? People smoke tobacco and drink alcohol in public and at home with children around.

There are plenty of people who walk around in a continuous state of substance usage. Just think of all of the people who have a heroin-like substance in their bloodstreams right now. Teachers, police officers, government officials, daycare workers, etc. Or what about all of these mind-altering substances that said people are also consuming, while working, while around children, etc.

What's the difference between prescribed medication such as painkillers, adderall, anti-anxiety, anti-convulsant, or antidepressant medication, and marijuana? For some reason, people should be able to consume all of the above, and in the situations that you disclosed, but not be able to consume marijuana?

Prescription drugs kill far greater people than street drugs. And way more people are addicted to prescription drugs than their illegal counterparts.

So, why is one okay, but the other is not?

[bruceBRUCEbruce]

The point is some people today want pot to be legalized. Tomorrow some other group will want cocaine to be legalized. Then some other group will want men to have sex with other men naked in public places. There will always be a group that would like something that is illegal now to be legalized for their own reasons whether they are right or wrong.

Your point is muddled and misguided. There is an extreme difference between cocaine and marijuana. Extreme. Thus, your comparison is not apt. I won't even begin to address the other ridiculous notions in your post.

Weapons are not intended to hurt others.

And now we know you're simply trolling this thread without a decent point to make.

Again, not one person has made even a half-decent argument as to why it shouldn't be legal...

[Smogs]

I'm sure it's been said but if marajuana was legalized you would lose an awful lot of crime, and heavy users will always be heavy users. People will be a lot more chilled out knowing it's not illegal

[BetterBizness]

Not that I need to add anything that hasn't been said, but I read this book "Reefer Gladness", recently, and its from Konik, the same dude that wrote "The Smart Money"... he writes a bunch of small stories like he did in the dude with the 100k breasts book... In a nutshell... he didn't smoke until his 30's, now he loves the stuff and grows it in his backyard... Man I love California... He's got a good style, and good arguments within why to Legalize etc... Good read...

That said, I ordered the cheaper e-book for $6 into my ipad so they didn't get in my face crossing the Canadian border...

[Mini19]

this should be no discussion.. weed should be legalized.. it is proven that alcohol is deff worse for you.. and when was the last time that someone died from weed poisioning?

[BetterBizness]

this should be no discussion.. weed should be legalized.. it is proven that alcohol is deff worse for you.. and when was the last time that someone died from weed poisioning?

Well if you put kill-x on your weed and smoked, you may get some sort of poisoning...

[WONOFTHEGUYS]

Yes for sure....tax it also...

[pavyracer]

Yes for sure....tax it also...

And how is the price of pot going to be determined if it is taxed. In a capitalistic environment it will be based on supply and demand. So the more pot is grown and distributed the lower the price will be. How is the government going to tax a drug/crop? Will they tax the producers of pot and then the cost will be distributed to the consumers or will they tax the consumers directly? Will the pot sellers have to report sales of pot and collect tax from consumers? Will pot be sold like tobacco is sold now at convenient stores?

[Ace_of_Spades]

Set up places that people can go and use it, make it legal. By making it legal, it would save Mexico and kill off the drug cartel.

[pavyracer]

Set up places that people can go and use it, make it legal. By making it legal, it would save Mexico and kill off the drug cartel.

Then they have to regulate it like tobacco and all other crops. They can't just say it's legal to own it as long as you smoke it at a pot bar but we don't care how you acquire it.

[Ace_of_Spades]

Bottom line is, you have to stop the drug rings and put them out of business to save lives.

[Optional]

And how is the price of pot going to be determined if it is taxed. In a capitalistic environment it will be based on supply and demand. So the more pot is grown and distributed the lower the price will be. How is the government going to tax a drug/crop? Will they tax the producers of pot and then the cost will be distributed to the consumers or will they tax the consumers directly? Will the pot sellers have to report sales of pot and collect tax from consumers? Will pot be sold like tobacco is sold now at convenient stores?

They could probably borrow the model used to police and tax tobacco farming.

Personally I think legalization would see an increase in the retail price too.

[terpkeg]

I voted yes but with a caution.

If their is a way that they were careful in regulating against abusers:
people driving under the influence of THC
people smoking in public
people who smoke it at home with children around

If their is a way to carefully police these foreseeable potential problems, then I'm okay with it.

In NJ you can receive a DUI for driving under the influence of Marajuana. Police officers take classes and become certified Drug Recognition Experts ("DRE"). A DRE can supposedly tell if someone is under the influence by observation. Addionally, they rely on an eye test (Nystagmus) that the Courts have found scientifically realible (as of about 2 years ago, I would have to verify the law has not been overturned at the Appelette Division). If an officer can not determine that you are high and you are not driving erratically, maybe this is not an issue. Like driving under the influence of acohol at a BAC of .06. As long as you drive ok, no DUI.

There are already laws about smoking cigs in Public places, I dont think Pot regulations would be an issue.

Addiitonally, there are child neglect laws already in place. Unfortunately, many terrible parents do not create the most beneficial living environment for their children, This has nothing to do with pot laws.

The issue here is peope giving the government (which is other people just like you) the power to dictate what a "free" individual can consume even if he/she does not infringe upon the life, liberty or property of another.

As for the tax issue. While I am against excess amounts of tax, which helps contribute to waste imho, pot can be treated like any other product. You have a store selling pot, you pay sales tax. You make money, you pay income tax. You grow your own, no tax!

An excise tax ( i believe this is what you would call it) which I think some of you are referring to, like on cigs and booze would just be another way for the government to take your money and artificially drive up prices. Tax is not the answer.

[terpkeg]

The definition of addiction is doing something on an everyday basis. Whether that's drinking alcohol, smoking pot, eating cake or drinking coffee.

It depends what kind of addiction you are talking about. In the medical field, I understand physical addiction to be something that causes withdrawal if you stop. Nicotine, opiates, alchohol are addictive b/c once you stop you have physical withdrawal symptoms. Marajuana may be habit forming, which some may define as an addiction.

[8ArIvd5]

A 2008 study by Harvard economist Jeffrey A. Miron has estimated that legalizing drugs would inject $76.8 billion a year into the U.S. economy.

My point is there are more important problems here than legalizing marijuana for recreational use. And does that study account for the amount of dealers who are going to lose their job?

[8ArIvd5]

In NJ you can receive a DUI for driving under the influence of Marajuana. Police officers take classes and become certified Drug Recognition Experts ("DRE"). A DRE can supposedly tell if someone is under the influence by observation. Addionally, they rely on an eye test (Nystagmus) that the Courts have found scientifically realible (as of about 2 years ago, I would have to verify the law has not been overturned at the Appelette Division). If an officer can not determine that you are high and you are not driving erratically, maybe this is not an issue. Like driving under the influence of acohol at a BAC of .06. As long as you drive ok, no DUI.

There are already laws about smoking cigs in Public places, I dont think Pot regulations would be an issue.

Addiitonally, there are child neglect laws already in place. Unfortunately, many terrible parents do not create the most beneficial living environment for their children, This has nothing to do with pot laws.

The issue here is peope giving the government (which is other people just like you) the power to dictate what a "free" individual can consume even if he/she does not infringe upon the life, liberty or property of another.

As for the tax issue. While I am against excess amounts of tax, which helps contribute to waste imho, pot can be treated like any other product. You have a store selling pot, you pay sales tax. You make money, you pay income tax. You grow your own, no tax!

An excise tax ( i believe this is what you would call it) which I think some of you are referring to, like on cigs and booze would just be another way for the government to take your money and artificially drive up prices. Tax is not the answer.

If an officer took enough of those classes, would he become a Dr. DRE?

[terpkeg]

The point is some people today want pot to be legalized. Tomorrow some other group will want cocaine to be legalized. Then some other group will want men to have sex with other men naked in public places. There will always be a group that would like something that is illegal now to be legalized for their own reasons whether they are right or wrong.

This is the crazy mind set of people. SO WHAT IF COCAINE WAS LEGAL?????? What hapened for the hundreds of years that it was not illegal? Did the world stop moving. I am nearly 30 with a professional job and could get cocaine in minutes if I choose. What has the legality accomplished?????? Who has it stopped???? I am not saying that it needs to be promoted and celebrated like alchohol. And, if I decided to do it, which I dont, I should go to JAIL?????? Do you understand how insane that is?????? So, you, the taxpayer can support me. So I can be stigmatized, have trouble finding a job. Education to the dangers of drugs is the answer, prohibition is not. Prohibiton does not work. It is a statistical and historical PROVEN FACT.

This attitude makes me want to puke. When my kids grow up, if they become drug addicts, am I going to blame the government and say how THEY should have put preventitive measures in place to protect them. HELL NO. That is a sick, weal mentality.

THERE ARE LAWS IN PLACE TO PROTECT YOUR LIFE< LIBERTY AND PROPERTY. THEY ALREADY EXIST. Get the drug addicts out of jail, and stop stigmitizing them so they feel more comfotable seeking help and re-entering society and being productive.

[terpkeg]

But why shouldn't people be allowed to own military grade weapons if they are law abiding citizens and do not intend to cause harm to others?

Are you just trolling in this thread??? Honestly. Because military grade weapons are so inherently dangerous considering the scope of the destruction they can cause by simple mistake, or if they fell into the wrong hands, that they directly effect the life, liberty and property of "free" people.

Drugs, on the other hand, are not inherently dangerous to the life, liberty and property of others. It takes seperate acts which are fully controlable and only exasberated by prohibition. Ex/ addicts are stigmitized and dont seek help, so they steal. People of a violent nature see a way to make money, so they threaten, assualt and kill.

[terpkeg]

Why does everyone think that more government control is productive???? What, in the history of human civilization, would lead them to this conclusion.

Someone enlighten me, please!!!

[terpkeg]

If an officer took enough of those classes, would he become a Dr. DRE?

They think they do

[pavyracer]

They could probably borrow the model used to police and tax tobacco farming.

Personally I think legalization would see an increase in the retail price too.

What about all the pot being produced in other countries? Will the pot being farmed in the US legally have a genetic code that will help law enforcement identify it? What if a drug cartel smuggles pot in the US? Can the user of the illegal pot be charged with a crime if he uses pot not produced legally in a US farm?

[obamaismyuncle]

What about all the pot being produced in other countries? Will the pot being farmed in the US legally have a genetic code that will help law enforcement identify it? What if a drug cartel smuggles pot in the US? Can the user of the illegal pot be charged with a crime if he uses pot not produced legally in a US farm?

you've replied to this thread 5 times more than any other poster and you've also openly admitted you don't smoke marijuana, come on guy its ok not to have an opinion on everything.

[obamaismyuncle]

Are you just trolling in this thread??? Honestly. Because military grade weapons are so inherently dangerous considering the scope of the destruction they can cause by simple mistake, or if they fell into the wrong hands, that they directly effect the life, liberty and property of "free" people.

Drugs, on the other hand, are not inherently dangerous to the life, liberty and property of others. It takes seperate acts which are fully controlable and only exasberated by prohibition. Ex/ addicts are stigmitized and dont seek help, so they steal. People of a violent nature see a way to make money, so they threaten, assualt and kill.

look at his post count, he has an opinion on everything and argues about everything too..none of his replies in any thread can be taken seriously.

[pavyracer]

you've replied to this thread 5 times more than any other poster and you've also openly admitted you don't smoke marijuana, come on guy its ok not to have an opinion on everything.

I smoke pot. I just like to buy it now without anyone knowing about it from a dealer illegally. I do not want everyone to know that when I go to the pot store to buy it legally everyone will know I smoke pot. Some things are meant to be private and I like things the way they are now where I can buy my pot without anyone knowing it and smoke it at my privacy.

[bruceBRUCEbruce]

he has an opinion on everything and argues about everything too..none of his replies in any thread can be taken seriously.

an ill-informed opinion at that. awful posts, every time.

[pavyracer]

an ill-informed opinion at that. awful posts, every time.

Yeah your posts are worthy of a Harvard professor. How come you post at a gambling forum Plato?

[bruceBRUCEbruce]

Yeah your posts are worthy of a Harvard professor. How come you post at a gambling forum Plato?

I am no genius, but you are the one attempting to compare the legalization of grass to that of high powered military weaponry.

All you've done is troll this thread, offer nothing of real substance, and now claim that you are, indeed, a pot smoker who doesn't want grass legalized because you don't want people to know you smoke it. Perhaps the hypocrisy of making that statement to a large audience on a public forum is lost on you?

[Optional]

What about all the pot being produced in other countries? Will the pot being farmed in the US legally have a genetic code that will help law enforcement identify it? What if a drug cartel smuggles pot in the US? Can the user of the illegal pot be charged with a crime if he uses pot not produced legally in a US farm?

The black market retail buyers will be mostly gone. The incentive to import would be much less.

No one would be charged for using anything, as it would be legal. Sellers could be prosecuted much more efficently under tax type laws, just like illegal alcohol or tabacco sellers are.

But the biggest change would be brainwashed lemmings not being able to tut tut and pass judgement on smokers as criminals anymore (as they sip a Jack n coke).

The public attitude to pot is as pathetic as the public attitude to online gambling laws. It's like we, the public, are on average so stupid that anything a politician declares illegal automatically becomes wrong without further thought.

The way so many average Americans view gambling and pot smoking as sinful crimes is a sad indictment of us all I think.

[Glitch]

they would need some responsible consumption education initiative.