1. 01-12-22 06:26 PM #1
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    Jon Lester retires after 16 seasons



    HOF candidate?
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  2. 01-12-22 06:55 PM #2
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    No chance.. Andy Pettitte with 256 wins & a 60 WAR hasn't even gotten yet & most likely never will. Lester with a 44 WAR unquestionably never will.

    Amazingly consistent with the same ERA & winning % with the Cubs and Sox.
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  3. 01-12-22 07:01 PM #3
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    Hard to say if is a Hofer.
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  4. 01-12-22 07:25 PM #4
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    IDK that 63% win rate is probably to 10 all time among guts w 200 wins.

    He's closer than you'd think
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  5. 01-12-22 07:27 PM #5
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    Quote Originally Posted by MinnesotaFats View Post
    IDK that 63% win rate is probably to 10 all time among guts w 200 wins.

    He's closer than you'd think
    Just looked

    Retires 7th all time active win % and 24th in modern era.
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  6. 01-12-22 07:28 PM #6
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    Quote Originally Posted by MinnesotaFats View Post
    Just looked

    Retires 7th all time active win % and 24th in modern era.
    Not to mention WS wins with 2 different times and dominated in the postseason. His postseason numbers have to be among the best.
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  7. 01-12-22 07:39 PM #7
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    Hall of Fame?
    No, 44.2 career WAR, the HOF standard is 73.0

    Now, if there was a Hall of Fame for class acts, first ballot no doubt about it.
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    He will be in. Not a lot of lefties in the HOF.
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  9. 01-12-22 07:47 PM #9
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    Quote Originally Posted by pavyracer View Post
    He will be in. Not a lot of lefties in the HOF.
    Seventeen.

    Name them.
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  10. 01-12-22 07:52 PM #10
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    Quote Originally Posted by stevenash View Post
    Hall of Fame?
    No, 44.2 career WAR, the HOF standard is 73.0

    Now, if there was a Hall of Fame for class acts, first ballot no doubt about it.
    Only other comparable with that few wins is Halladay. Roy much more dominant with 2 CYA, & 2 second place finishes even though his WAR was only 64.
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    The thing is....

    He was the ace that ended the Cubs drought...that might get him over the hump
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug tushyterror View Post
    Only other comparable with that few wins is Halladay. Roy much more dominant with 2 CYA, & 2 second place finishes even though his WAR was only 64.
    Halladay should be in too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stevenash View Post
    Hall of Fame?
    No, 44.2 career WAR, the HOF standard is 73.0

    Now, if there was a Hall of Fame for class acts, first ballot no doubt about it.
    Explain Jack Morris. And Jim Kaat just got in with 45 WAR. Standards are lowering for starters because they just don't pitch as much anymore. If they go by the old standards, very very pitchers will ever make it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MinnesotaFats View Post
    The thing is....

    He was the ace that ended the Cubs drought...that might get him over the hump
    What Lester has going for him is he's universally respected & a cancer survivor.. That might have some sway with the Era Committee (formerly Veterans Com) in 10-15 yrs.
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    Guy can’t throw to first base, no HOF
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    He wasn't ever dominant
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    I don't see him making it.
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  18. 01-12-22 09:38 PM #18
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brock Landers View Post
    He wasn't ever dominant
    That's correct.
    Only black ink was when he led the league with 18 wins in 2018.
    Nobody is shitting on Lester, solid career, but not a Hall of Famer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stevenash View Post
    Seventeen.

    Name them.
    Lefty Grove?
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    Year Age Tm Lg W L W-L% ERA G GS IP H R ER HR BB SO ERA+ FIP WHIP H9 HR9 BB9 SO9 SO/W
    15 Yrs 186 117 0.614 3.51 470 389 2591.2 2518 1104 1010 254 668 1538 122 3.8 1.229 8.7 0.9 2.3 5.3 2.3
    162 Game Avg. 15 9 0.614 3.51 37 31 205 199 87 80 20 53 122 122 3.8 1.229 8.7 0.9 2.3 5.3 2.3
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  21. 01-12-22 10:48 PM #21
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  22. 01-13-22 10:40 AM #22
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    It's not really proper to compare different eras. Stats for a top player in one era may be totally different from another era. You really need to compare players of the same era to see if they were among the elite in terms of stats and accomplishment for their position during those 10-20 years or so. For a pitcher, I would want to see if they were among the 10-15 best or so during the 15-20 year period that they competed. For a specific position, it might be more like the 3-4 best. But you just can't compare stats for a pitcher who pitched 2005-2020 vs. a pitcher who pitched 1925-1940. Just doesn't work.
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  23. 01-13-22 01:08 PM #23
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    But it's fair to compare Jimmy Key to Jon Lester.
    One began his career eight years after the other retired.

    Jon Lester

    SUMMARY

    Career


    WAR

    44.2

    W

    200

    L

    117

    ERA

    3.66


    G

    452

    GS

    451

    SV



    IP
    740.0

    SO

    2488

    WHIP

    1.278






    Jimmy Key


    SUMMARY
    Career


    WAR48.9

    W186

    L117

    ERA3.51


    G470

    GS389

    SV10


    IP2591.2

    SO1538

    WHIP1.229






    One could argue Key had a slightly better career too.
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