'Los Suns' jerseys ready for Game 2 in wake of Arizona law‎

**Jonah** · 05-05-10, 12:50 AM

Yes, the land was the Natives, then Spain's and then Mexico's( And I could be missing a thing or two. Should look it up, but gotta run). Anyway, more have entered New U.S. since. Yes???

**THE PROFIT** · 05-05-10, 12:51 AM

The people in the grey area spoke Spanish & French in 1800

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**Sunde91** · 05-05-10, 12:51 AM

Originally posted by donjuan

Boston shouldn't be naming themselves the Celtics to honor the Irish, why are the Irish so special? What have they ever done for us? All they do is come to American [sic] to breed, exploit our social services, steal our jobs, and complain. I am all about diversity and social justice, but illegal immigration is wrong and is costing us a lot of resources, resources that could go elsewhere.

You're dumb. The "Celtics" is the traditional name of a historic franchise. "Los Suns" is putting a multicultural spin on an already established team name just to throw the Mexicans a bone for no reason at all. I don't have a problem with the "Padres" or "Redskins" because that is and has been the name of the fukin team.

And the Irish came here legally and did not exploit social services, they didn't even exist. They helped build this country from nothing and set the precedent for its greatness. Not even remotely comparable with Mexicans.

**Jonah** · 05-05-10, 12:52 AM

And for the record...If a soccer team(or any expansion team) wanted to name themselves Los Aztecs, The Mexicans, what have you, I would not have a problem with it.

**PlatinumBerg** · 05-05-10, 12:55 AM

Originally posted by THE PROFIT

everyone here obviously needs to understand what an AMERICAN is before they say stupid shit! Not you Jonah, you're a sharp kid, just young, I can overlook youth, but not ignorance

Hey smart guy, you forgot to include a picture of Canada too, as well as South America. Or did you just not know that they are considered to be Americans too? When people say America, they automatically think of the USA, you are trying to get all technical for whatever stupid reason.

**THE PROFIT** · 05-05-10, 12:55 AM

They're not really changing the name IMO, buy saying "the" in Spanish

**THE PROFIT** · 05-05-10, 12:56 AM

We call ourselves American, so I am talking about the U.S., I thought that's what we were talking about, smart guy

**HoulihansTX** · 05-05-10, 12:57 AM

Let the racist comments ensue...

**THE PROFIT** · 05-05-10, 12:58 AM

Originally posted by HoulihansTX

Let the racist comments ensue...

exactly, why don't these dumbasses just come out & say they hate spics & get it over with?

**Sunde91** · 05-05-10, 01:00 AM

The profit, you realize "Hispanics" are largely mestizo and see themselves as such? So what's this BS argument about the Spanish territory when Mexicans don't identify themselves with Spain one iota other than with a shared deviated language?

**PlatinumBerg** · 05-05-10, 01:03 AM

Originally posted by THE PROFIT

We call ourselves American, so I am talking about the U.S., I thought that's what we were talking about, smart guy

Okay, then please explain why you posted a picture of Mexico earlier and said that everyone needs to understand what America is? You were implying that Mexico is in America.

Originally posted by THE PROFIT

exactly, why don't these dumbasses just come out & say they hate spics & get it over with?

I like how you are calling people racist when you are the one that is using racist words. My stance is against illegal immigration, not against Hispanics in general.

**THE PROFIT** · 05-05-10, 01:03 AM

Originally posted by Sunde91

The profit, you realize "Hispanics" are largely mestizo and see themselves as such? So what's this BS argument about the Spanish territory when Mexicans don't identify themselves with Spain one iota other than with a shared deviated language?

That's not my argument at all. If you think I'm trying to say anything about the relationship between Mexico & Spain this has completely went over your head

**THE PROFIT** · 05-05-10, 01:05 AM

Platinum, what I'm saying is there were millions of people who were all of the sudden Americans. They didnt ask to be

**THE PROFIT** · 05-05-10, 01:05 AM

Im sorry, let me rephrase, citizens of the United States

**PlatinumBerg** · 05-05-10, 01:13 AM

Originally posted by THE PROFIT

Platinum, what I'm saying is there were millions of people who were all of the sudden Americans. They didnt ask to be

Okay, I have no clue what arguement you are trying to make. When I said America, I am talking specifically about the USA. The USA didn't become a country until they won the American Revolutionary War, and that is when the Patriots became Americans as in United States citizens. If people don't want to be an American, they were and still are allowed to leave anytime they want. No one is forcing them to stay.

**Sunde91** · 05-05-10, 01:13 AM

Originally posted by THE PROFIT

That's not my argument at all. If you think I'm trying to say anything about the relationship between Mexico & Spain this has completely went over your head

No, but you're trying to imply that Spain's territory's descendants is directly synonymous with modern day "Hispanics" and that America stole from them and that modern day Mexicans identify themself with Spain, who lost out on the land and were therefore "stolen from", which therefore justifies the this charade. False.

That would be like a British American mulatto identifying himself with England...

**Jonah** · 05-05-10, 01:15 AM

Originally posted by THE PROFIT

The large majority of Hispanics here didn't come to America, America came to them dipshit

You are right about certain things Profit, but you did say majority... Not a big deal, just clarify -unless you can prove otherwise. It is no way near majority... And there is good reason to believe that if the territories on the map you showed earlier(although we did purchase the Louisiana Part) never became U.S. owned, that Mexicans would still be crawling over to the American side. Which would be okay if done legally.

**THE PROFIT** · 05-05-10, 01:16 AM

Did you not see the map of Mexico in 1824? The map of the US in 1800? Those were people that were not citizens of the US who became citizens of the US. They didnt come to America, America came to them.

For some reason you people have jumped off the discussion & took it somewhere else that is irrelevant

**THE PROFIT** · 05-05-10, 01:21 AM

Originally posted by Jonah

You are right about certain things Profit, but you did say majority... Not a big deal, just clarify -unless you can prove otherwise. It is no way near majority... And there is good reason to believe that if the territories on the map you showed earlier(although we did purchase the Louisiana Part) never became U.S. owned, that Mexicans would still be crawling over to the American side. Which would be okay if done legally.

Its all ok if done legally. My ancestors came here legally. All of ours did. But in the west you have a very large population of people that have Mexican heritage because their ancestors didn't come to America, they've been on that land for a long time before there was a US. The argument over this law is is infringes on Americans, and is rather stupid, when it does nothing to keep Mexicans from coming across the border. Why doesn't the government get to the source of the problem?

**PlatinumBerg** · 05-05-10, 01:22 AM

Originally posted by THE PROFIT

Did you not see the map of Mexico in 1824? The map of the US in 1800? Those were people that were not citizens of the US who became citizens of the US. They didnt come to America, America came to them.

For some reason you people have jumped off the discussion & took it somewhere else that is irrelevant

Okay dude, I am not talking about the 1800s here. I am talking about current illegal immigrants who are mostly Mexicans and people from Central America. The Mexican government should be responsible for its people, not the United States and its taxpaying citizens.

**THE PROFIT** · 05-05-10, 01:23 AM

This was the same argument in a thread the other day about why do I have to press 1 for English that some dumbass started. This isn't the 13 fukin English colonies. The US conquered & bought alot of land that had people who had been speaking other languages for hundreds of years, way bigger than the original 13 colonies. Lets see how many Iraqis are gonna learn English when the US colonizes it.

**THE PROFIT** · 05-05-10, 01:24 AM

Im not arguing with that one bit, plat!

**donjuan** · 05-05-10, 01:25 AM

Originally posted by PlatinumBerg

Okay "dipshit", please explain how America came to Hispanics.

You can take my argument out of context and apply it to any team such as the Blackhawks. I am saying why are the Suns changing their name just to honor the Hispanic community? And I don't know what your dumb ass is trying to say, but the Celtics aren't the problem here, the illegal immigrants are, and a huge majority of illegal immigrants are Hispanics. I don't see any Celtics causing any problems.

People said the same exact things when the Irish came here in large numbers. Taking our jobs, exploiting our social services, etc. The irony was clearly lost on you because, quite frankly, you're a moron.

**THE PROFIT** · 05-05-10, 01:25 AM

Originally posted by PlatinumBerg

The Suns shouldn't be changing their name to Spanish to honor the Hispanics, why are the Hispanics so special? What have they ever done for us? All they do is come to American to breed, exploit our social services, steal our jobs, and complain. I am all about diversity and social justice, but illegal immigration is wrong and is costing us a lot of resources, resources that could go elsewhere.

This is what I'm arguing with, remember this statement?

**tavinator13** · 05-05-10, 01:26 AM

I'm sorry, but (race aside) when did people who are illegally in our country acquire "legal rights"?

**donjuan** · 05-05-10, 01:26 AM

Originally posted by Sunde91

You're dumb. The "Celtics" is the traditional name of a historic franchise. "Los Suns" is putting a multicultural spin on an already established team name just to throw the Mexicans a bone for no reason at all. I don't have a problem with the "Padres" or "Redskins" because that is and has been the name of the fukin team.

And the Irish came here legally and did not exploit social services, they didn't even exist. They helped build this country from nothing and set the precedent for its greatness. Not even remotely comparable with Mexicans.

Lulz, see my post above. Or you could even grab a bag of popcorn and watch Gangs of New York and then laugh at yourself for being so silly.

**PlatinumBerg** · 05-05-10, 01:27 AM

Originally posted by THE PROFIT

Its all ok if done legally. My ancestors came here legally. All of ours did. But in the west you have a very large population of people that have Mexican heritage because their ancestors didn't come to America, they've been on that land for a long time before there was a US. The argument over this law is is infringes on Americans, and is rather stupid, when it does nothing to keep Mexicans from coming across the border. Why doesn't the government get to the source of the problem?

I honestly don't know why you keep talking about the 1800s. I don't think you even understand why this law is so controversial. This law is controversial because it encourages racial profiling. It also infringes on some of our civil liberties, police can use this law as probable cause to stop and question someone when they really don't the right to. Personally, I am against this law, but illegal immigration is a problem that needs to be addressed.

**THE PROFIT** · 05-05-10, 01:27 AM

you said hispanics, not illegal mexicans. You asked why they are special, what makes you special? They are celebrating an important cultural holiday on May 5, like St. Pattys day is for Bostonians

**donjuan** · 05-05-10, 01:28 AM

Originally posted by tavinator13

I'm sorry, but (race aside) when did people who are illegally in our country acquire "legal rights"?

This has already been covered in this thread:

The reason the vast majority of people are upset is not because the law attacks illegal immigrants, but rather how it treats completely LEGAL persons. It's unenforceable unless it stomps on the rights of law abiding persons.

**PlatinumBerg** · 05-05-10, 01:30 AM

Originally posted by donjuan

People said the same exact things when the Irish came here in large numbers. Taking our jobs, exploiting our social services, etc. The irony was clearly lost on you because, quite frankly, you're a moron.

Okay genius, I never said I was against immigration, I said I was against ILLEGAL immigration. The Irish migrated here LEGALLY. I have no problems with people immigrating here LEGALLY.

**Jonah** · 05-05-10, 01:31 AM

Originally posted by THE PROFIT

Did you not see the map of Mexico in 1824? The map of the US in 1800? Those were people that were not citizens of the US who became citizens of the US. They didnt come to America, America came to them.

For some reason you people have jumped off the discussion & took it somewhere else that is irrelevant

But those that were already here and their descendants, obviously, are far outnumbered by those that have crossed over since. My family being part of the latter group.

**THE PROFIT** · 05-05-10, 01:31 AM

My original argument was nothing about this fukin useless law, it was about the Suns celebrating the heritage of its state by changing the word "the" to Spanish on an important holiday is not a big political statement

**krk1030** · 05-05-10, 01:31 AM

A crime to be somewhere ILLEGALLY?

What is the world coming to.

**THE PROFIT** · 05-05-10, 01:31 AM

Your family came here illegally, Jonah?

**THE PROFIT** · 05-05-10, 01:33 AM

One of my best friends has been here since she was 3 but has never applied for US citizenship. And I don't know that it has ever came up to be honest. Too many fukin loopholes in the system