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    https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeaut...s_from_day_of/


    can someone embed that for me, can't get it mobile right now

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    Quote Originally Posted by Booya711 View Post
    All I know is that we weren’t given “play by play” 24 hours a day with the swine flu so the panic wasn’t there.

    Hegelian dialectic.
    Panic created to condition the sheeple to demand to have more of their rights and liberties removed and violated all in the guise of safety and security.


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    Couldn't embed either.

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    Wow. Impressive visualization.

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    Where is the flu in that graph? Influenza killed 646,000 people one year. Even in 2020, more people have died from the fukking FLU!!!

    Don't believe the hype, you should see the graphs for cancer or heart disease...
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    so sounds like corona is worse now
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    Quote Originally Posted by SBR_Guest_Pro View Post
    so sounds like corona is worse now
    Not really since the numbers are skewed. Most of these deaths could be something with prior ailments but as long as they test positive for the Coronavirus, they'll count it as Covid19 death. But there are ARDS deaths caused by cytokine storms that's just horrific that could be prevented.



    Everyone should watch this video.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghenghis Kahn View Post
    Where is the flu in that graph? Influenza killed 646,000 people one year. Even in 2020, more people have died from the fukking FLU!!!

    Don't believe the hype, you should see the graphs for cancer or heart disease...
    What about tuberculosis?
    About 1˝ million of the roughly 10 million infected yearly die.
    No panic or stay at home orders for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghenghis Kahn View Post
    Everyone should watch this video.
    Don't have time to watch the whole thing right now but I skimmed it and this guy sounds like he makes he a lot sense and thinks outside the box. I especially like the idea of high dose intravenous vitamin C. I normally would cringe at watching such a long video, but from the parts I glanced at, this one looks worth it. I look forward to catching all of it later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hman View Post
    A look back at swine flu: 8 facts about the world's last pandemic in 2009

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    The World Health Organization on March 11 declared the COVID-19 outbreak a pandemic, the first such declaration in 11 years.

    Here's a look back on the 2009 swine flu pandemic with eight key facts from the CDC:

    1. The flu strain responsible for the outbreak — influenza A (H1N1)pdm09 — was first detected in America in April 2009.

    2. The strain represented a unique combination of influenza viruses never before seen in humans or animals.

    3. The virus quickly spread globally, primarily affecting children and adults under 65 who lacked immunity to H1N1.

    4. The WHO declared the swine flu outbreak a pandemic on June 11, 2009.

    5. Between April 12, 2009, and April 10, 2010, the CDC estimates swine flu caused 60.8 million illnesses, 273,304 hospitalizations and 12,469 deaths in the U.S.

    6. On Oct. 5, 2009, the U.S. began administering a newly approved H1N1 vaccine to select Americans, with vaccination coverage expanding nationwide by that December.

    7. WHO declared an end to the pandemic on Aug. 10, 2010.

    8. Globally, an estimated 151,700 to 575,400 people died from swine flu in the first year of the pandemic.
    and the press praised obama when he finally got around -- six months late -- to declaring a national emergency.....

    and the sorry mother f'er cared so little about the dead he -- no, didn't jump right on it, assemble a team of experts, or speak to the nation or otherwise show any leadership whatsoever -- no... he PROMPTLY LEFT THE WHITEHOUSE AND WENT AND PLAYED GOLF.......

    my, how times have changed.....

    if anything shows you how f'd in the head our national press is, it's the comparison of its handling of these two pandemics.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Auto Donk View Post
    and the press praised obama when he finally got around -- six months late -- to declaring a national emergency.....

    and the sorry mother f'er cared so little about the dead he -- no, didn't jump right on it, assemble a team of experts, or speak to the nation or otherwise show any leadership whatsoever -- no... he PROMPTLY LEFT THE WHITEHOUSE AND WENT AND PLAYED GOLF.......

    my, how times have changed.....

    if anything shows you how f'd in the head our national press is, it's the comparison of its handling of these two pandemics.....
    seems to have taken it pretty serious. This was the day of the first death of H1N1 in the world


    keep in mind in the 6 month timeline. summer happened and the Flu "washed through" and "disappeared"

    but if you want to compare administrations on these apples and oranges

    Under Obama's watched the global pandemic killed 12,500 Americans in 18 months (about 540 days)

    Under Trump's watch the global pandemic killed over 5,600 and still counting in the past 3 days.

    I like Trump, but I would't call that winning

    it would do us well to not try to make that comparison

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    Quote Originally Posted by Booya711 View Post
    All I know is that we weren’t given “play by play” 24 hours a day with the swine flu so the panic wasn’t there.
    Your post to landers
    Quote Originally Posted by Booya711 View Post
    this guy is a fukking cancer traveling around not giving a fukk....you deserve the virus

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    Swine flu killed ~ 12,000 Americans in 1 YEAR (with no mitigation)
    Covid-19 will kill ~ 12,000 Americans in 1 WEEK (after extreme mitigation).

    What were we talking about again?
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    Quote Originally Posted by d2bets View Post
    Swine flu killed ~ 12,000 Americans in 1 YEAR (with no mitigation)
    Covid-19 will kill ~ 12,000 Americans in 1 WEEK (after extreme mitigation).

    What were we talking about again?
    See, they both killed the same amount. So they must be the same right? Isn’t that the right logic?

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    It makes so much more sense why we see the vast number of losing gamblers creating threads here.

    H1N1 Killed 12,500 Americans over about 75 weeks

    Covid19 shut us in our homes for a month and still Killed 5900 in 3 days.


    Hey I've crunched these numbers and capped these viruses I should start a thread saying H1N1 seems more contagious than covid19 and share my brilliance!

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    Quote Originally Posted by d2bets View Post
    Swine flu killed ~ 12,000 Americans in 1 YEAR (with no mitigation)
    Covid-19 will kill ~ 12,000 Americans in 1 WEEK (after extreme mitigation). ! ! !

    What were we talking about again?
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    worst flu outbreaks are on the chart, #3 & #4 behind cholera and dwarfed by CV

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hman View Post
    Yes arch

    As of today, 4-5 months in, there are approximately 84,000 deaths worldwide from Corona.

    In 12-18 months, swine killed 151,700 to 575,400 globally.


    Mathematically those could end up being very similar numbers.
    NOOOOOOO !!!! it is over 97K deaths as of this morning and we are barely 3 mos in. it started in China in Dec 2019. let's say it started worldwide on 1/1.

    we are not even 3.5 mos in

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    thank you. Day 70 is out of control. I'd like to see them do one for just the US

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    Quote Originally Posted by d2bets View Post
    Swine flu killed ~ 12,000 Americans in 1 YEAR (with no mitigation)
    Covid-19 will kill ~ 12,000 Americans in 1 WEEK (after extreme mitigation).

    What were we talking about again?
    Game. Set. Match.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hman View Post
    5. Between April 12, 2009, and April 10, 2010, the CDC estimates swine flu caused 60.8 million illnesses, 273,304 hospitalizations and 12,469 deaths in the U.S.
    Looking at #5 It appears the swine flu was more contagious by far.
    Yes, by far more contagious!
    Approximately 1 in every 5 Americans (20%)
    came down with that flu....a true pandemic!
    However, only 12,469 deaths (over the course of an entire year)
    means a rate of 1 death per every 4876 cases.
    A ton of people got sick (which sucks!) - but relatively few died.
    While we will have to wait another 10+ months to determine how many
    will be infected with this coronavirus, we can see from the early stats that
    while it doesn't appear to be as "contagious"as the swine flu (yet!?)
    it is undeniable that it is far more virulent!
    USA = 466,396 cases// 16,703 deaths, ie, 1 death per every 29 cases!!

    Outside the US, the death rate is 1 per every 15 cases!!!!

    This sucker is a KILLER, folks.

    And anyone one of us could be a carrier of this deadly thing and not even know it.

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    I don't think those death rates will hold up to be accurate luckily

    its my hope that we have just a huge amount of undetected cases, that maybe began as early as december and we've been quietly been building towards herd immunity far before we knew the extent of the problem

    we do have some antibody?immunity testing research going on, where they randomly test certain areas to see how many people show up with antibodies, meaning they had this at some point and are now recovered.

    I think stanford is doing a pretty big one. I hope to hear encouraging results in the next few weeks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chi_archie View Post
    I don't think those death rates will hold up to be accurate, luckily

    its my hope that we have just a huge amount of undetected cases, that maybe began as early as december and we've been quietly been building towards herd immunity far before we knew the extent of the problem

    we do have some antibody?immunity testing research going on, where they randomly test certain areas to see how many people show up with antibodies, meaning they had this at some point and are now recovered.

    I think stanford is doing a pretty big one. I hope to hear encouraging results in the next few weeks
    Chi_archie, I am with you on the hoping part, for sure!
    This whole pandemic SUCKS, big time!
    However,
    today very unsettling news from South Korea - who were thought to have it beat:

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...in/ar-BB12pzJF

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hman View Post
    Looking at #5 It appears the swine flu was more contagious by far.
    It reached 60 million American cases, based on estimates, with virtually no interventions. The coronavirus this year has reached 500,000 positive tests in the US, with extreme interventions. If we handled the coronavirus the same way we handed the 2009 flu, the number of cases this year would already be a lot higher and would easily go over 60 million. Comparing estimates from 2009, with confirmed cases from this year is dishonest, as there have been a lot of people who have been infected with Covid-19, but never took a test.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hman View Post
    With the statistics in #8, could the deaths worldwide end up being close to the same??
    Deaths from this pandemic are already over 100,000 and not slowing down. Over 40% of those are just from the past week alone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hman View Post
    A look back at swine flu: 8 facts about the world's last pandemic in 2009

    Mackenzie Bean


    The World Health Organization on March 11 declared the COVID-19 outbreak a pandemic, the first such declaration in 11 years.

    Here's a look back on the 2009 swine flu pandemic with eight key facts from the CDC:

    1. The flu strain responsible for the outbreak — influenza A (H1N1)pdm09 — was first detected in America in April 2009.

    2. The strain represented a unique combination of influenza viruses never before seen in humans or animals.

    3. The virus quickly spread globally, primarily affecting children and adults under 65 who lacked immunity to H1N1.

    4. The WHO declared the swine flu outbreak a pandemic on June 11, 2009.

    5. Between April 12, 2009, and April 10, 2010, the CDC estimates swine flu caused 60.8 million illnesses, 273,304 hospitalizations and 12,469 deaths in the U.S.

    6. On Oct. 5, 2009, the U.S. began administering a newly approved H1N1 vaccine to select Americans, with vaccination coverage expanding nationwide by that December.

    7. WHO declared an end to the pandemic on Aug. 10, 2010.

    8. Globally, an estimated 151,700 to 575,400 people died from swine flu in the first year of the pandemic.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hman View Post
    What stands out to me is #5 and #10.

    Looking at #5 It appears the swine flu was more contagious by far.


    With the statistics in #8, could the deaths worldwide end up being close to the same??

    But why is it this time around the deaths are higher in the U.S.??

    12,469 total swine flu deaths

    12,469 covid19 deaths in one week from the 4/6 thru 4/12

    HMAN if swine flu H1N1 was more contagious and it STARTED in the United States, And Less worldwide Covid19 deaths occur than worldwide H1N1 deaths occur


    I guess you'll have to admit that the American Public Health leaders, The Obama Administration and America in 2009 as a whole did an amazing job of saving lives AND continued to GROW a shitty economy.

    I'm no Obama fan, but history is history

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    Still much to be seen

    4-5 months in, 110,000 Covid deaths

    1 year 291,000 to 646,000 swine deaths.

    Let's hope corona's pace does not continue to increase, but it's easy math to see that is what has to happen for the fatalities to surpass swine worldwide.

    I'm not even an expert in this arch but the numbers don't lie.

    And no president has any control over these things, c'mon arch.

    Obama sucked at everything but I give him a pass on having any power over a pandemic.

    Let's just hope somehow this thing dies off.
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    If the US leads the world in Corona deaths (and has 5 to 6 times more than H1N1 when this is all over and Corona deaths worldwide are much less than H1N1 deaths

    we need to take a serious look at how the entire US system's response back then differed from the current response to Covid19

    we need to take serious lessons for future pandemics (or the 2nd wave of this shit) from South Korea, which recorded their first death on the same day as the US but has only 217 total deaths to date.


    if we can't match some of these asian countries in tech and speed and breadth of response when its life and death. How can we compete with them in innovation as the world pivots increasingly to tech economies

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chi_archie View Post
    If the US leads the world in Corona deaths (and has 5 to 6 times more than H1N1 when this is all over and Corona deaths worldwide are much less than H1N1 deaths

    we need to take a serious look at how the entire US system's response back then differed from the current response to Covid19

    we need to take serious lessons for future pandemics (or the 2nd wave of this shit) from South Korea, which recorded their first death on the same day as the US but has only 217 total deaths to date.


    if we can't match some of these asian countries in tech and speed and breadth of response when its life and death. How can we compete with them in innovation as the world pivots increasingly to tech economies



    You are right

    This should be a lesson

    But will we learn from it?

    Probably not

    If this ever does pass, the next time around, all travel should be shut down IMMEDIATELY world-wide.

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    update, CV19 has now killed 10x more Americans than Swine Flu in less than 4 months.

    Americans accounted for about 3.5% of global Swine Flu estimated deaths.

    Americans have accounted for about 25.5% of global CV19 deaths.


    Thanks Obama!

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    I feel like the worst thing rn is that while things are getting a little better, people flat out stopped caring. It's only the beginning I'm afraid

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    Quote Originally Posted by od120731 View Post
    I feel like the worst thing rn is that while things are getting a little better, people flat out stopped caring. It's only the beginning I'm afraid

    you can only put your life on hold for so long, even if you have the ability to comfortably able to do so. But for people that have lost their incomes, you can't expect them to teeter on edge of lost businesses or homelessness, debt ect.

    I think timing has not worked out great.

    Trump let Fauci and his fear mongering take over early on. The day Trump caved and started calling this crisis a "Nightmare" we saw quickly that many southern and sparsely populated areas begin to do some stay at home orders. It was way too early for that. They didn't need to shut anything down then for sure. But the politcal and media pressure was too great and they caved.

    its a bit of monday morning quarterbacking, but the data was there to show that the community spread region to region was very slow to matriculate across the country. Ideally many things would have been open and pumping in some parts of the country, while protecting our vulnerable, and when things started getting becoming exponential, like they are in Texas ect now. Then you do similar measures as Northern states did in April.

    But there is just no way that these states with rising states will easily close up again now. They should have saved those measures.

    My hope is that these spikes can be controlled and brought way back down, well before the Fall Flu and Pnemonia year spikes start to happen. If things aren't under control by then, things could get ugly.

    Luckily, doctors and hospitals have much much better understanding on how to care for cases all over the spectrum, so far less people should die as a % then did in March and April when medical personal were scrambling for PPE and didn't know what drugs and interventions to try.
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