This is getting ridiculous!!!

Boner_18 · 04-22-10, 10:32 AM

494 points total transfered between the two who admittedly live in the same house. Stinks but maybe they should have laid off the transfers to one another. Maybe one can have a points earning account and they can simply agree which one it is.

Would hate to see contributing members get the boot (or leave) over points. I hope all parties can do the right thing.

jjgold · 04-22-10, 10:38 AM

These guys just do not think.

It looked shady even if innocent.

SBR has to be careful

EaglesPhan36 · 04-22-10, 10:38 AM

I personally think anything points related on either side is retarded. These are free things SBR gives, so they have the right to rape you however they choose and by the same point, this is something they offered as a reward ... so unless someone is getting thousands of points per month by some crooked scheme ... who cares about transferred points and all, they were doled out by whatever means and someone was gonna cash them in. So who cares if it's the same person, siamese twins or Al Gore's left nut.

Chi_archie · 04-22-10, 10:44 AM

did the points transactions go both ways between these two? its more than plausible to think they would have made side bets in the house using sbr points.....

but if they only ever went one way, than it is shady

SBR Lou · 04-22-10, 10:46 AM

Here's a link to our Forum Rules on multiple accounts within the same household and SBR Points:

1) Posters that share the same household may not both receive SBR points. The second account will have loyalty points withheld. If this rule is violated, SBR reserves the right to remove points from both accounts.

In this case, not only did both posters within the same household receive points, they also funneled points to each other on multiple occasions.

Here account 1 sends account 2 60 points, then account 2 places an order from the SBR Store. Additionally, account 1 used a certain real name for his store order, and when account 2 placed an order he used the initials only.

I appreciate the good soccer contributions that the poster made, but our rule on multiple accounts and SBR points is clear.

blackbeSSt · 04-22-10, 10:47 AM

Originally posted by Chi_archie

did the points transactions go both ways between these two? its more than plausible to think they would have made side bets in the house using sbr points.....

but if they only ever went one way, than it is shady

i counted 272 from Karayilan9 to TurkzZ just this year, and 126 from TurkzZ to Karayilan9 from as far back as the history goes

obamaismyuncle · 04-22-10, 10:51 AM

Who cares?

excel · 04-22-10, 10:54 AM

karayilan indiscreetly transfers 200 points to turk
karaylian indiscreetly transfers 12 points to turk

Haha upon closer review it looks like brutal is also closely related to karayilans account. He has been giving kara points almost daily since 2009. I got a little lazy but the points history is very very questionable. I'm sure I only uncovered half of this plot.

pavyracer · 04-22-10, 10:59 AM

Are you kidding me? This is about 250 points exchanged between two guys in 5 transactions of 50 points each? This is worth $5 per transaction. This is like two roomates lending each other $5 to buy smokes.

pavyracer · 04-22-10, 11:00 AM

Originally posted by excel

karayilan indiscreetly transfers 200 points to turk
karaylian indiscreetly transfers 12 points to turk

Haha upon closer review it looks like brutal is also closely related to karayilans account. He has been giving kara points almost daily since 2009. I got a little lazy but the points history is very very questionable. I'm sure I only uncovered half of this plot.

CrazyLou is Sherlock Holmes

Dark Horse · 04-22-10, 11:08 AM

Originally posted by pavyracer

CrazyLou is Sherlock Holmes

Crazyclue.

OK. back to business. The points mean nothing, guys. Throw 'm out and be free of them. Micro rewards, micro management, it's all the same bs.

AnotherLoan · 04-22-10, 11:13 AM

Good undercover work here. Glad they're gone.

ronaldo922 · 04-22-10, 11:16 AM

coincidence?

ronaldo922 · 04-22-10, 11:16 AM

whoops wrong thread

yisman · 04-22-10, 11:18 AM

I thought the problem was one person ghosting under several names. These are clearly two different people. Can't at least one of them be given back their points abilities?

EaglesPhan36 · 04-22-10, 11:20 AM

Their rules are pretty much spelled out for households. If people don't like 'em, they don't like 'em ... but that's why they're rules.

pavyracer · 04-22-10, 11:24 AM

Originally posted by yisman

I thought the problem was one person ghosting under several names. These are clearly two different people. Can't at least one of them be given back their points abilities?

Not only they are different posters but they have signed up almost a year before the points were introduced. If they were allowed to post from the same IP for 16 months without violating any SBR policy then why all the fuss now about a few peanut point exhanges (less than 50 points each transaction). They paid the 1% transaction fee both ways for these transactions and on top of that they lose their points?

Dad · 04-22-10, 11:26 AM

Can I have their points?

Boner_18 · 04-22-10, 11:28 AM

I wonder how many total points have been "confiscated" by SBR since the introduction of the program. SBR should have a contest, winner take all for all the confiscated points.

Only one contest entry per household.

jjgold · 04-22-10, 11:35 AM

Boner not a bad idea

if your leaving site because of a points issue there are other problems you need to address,

mathdotcom · 04-22-10, 11:44 AM

Originally posted by pavyracer

http://forum.sbrforum.com/soccer-han...treatment.html

These guys have been around for a long time before the points system was created. They are two of the best soccer cappers. They are definitely two different people. You can tell from the attached thread that their use of the English language is completely different.

CrazyLou is making a big mistake on this one. I know for a fact these guys are posting their picks (very good soccer picks indeed) and the last thing in their mind is to scam the stupid points system for free points.

This is one of the reasons I opted out of the points system. It's getting ridiculous boys. Do the right thing here. We are losing valuable posters and picks with this silly micromanaging of the points system where even the good guys are accused of silly staff.

I'm very disappointed with SBR..

pavy you have the worst detective skills on sbr

pavyracer · 04-22-10, 11:46 AM

Originally posted by mathdotcom

pavy you have the worst detective skills on sbr

Correct. I am reporting the news here. CrazyLou is the detective.

BatemanPatrickl · 04-22-10, 11:50 AM

Pavy will run back to Willie Mathy; watch it. You may get an infraction

obamaismyuncle · 04-22-10, 11:50 AM

Originally posted by jjgold

Boner not a bad idea

if your leaving site because of a points issue there are other problems you need to address,

jjgold · 04-22-10, 11:52 AM

Hard to get anything by Lou, if you leave the site because of points I think there are more serious issues you need to deal with.

pavyracer · 04-22-10, 11:58 AM

Originally posted by jjgold

Hard to get anything by Lou, if you leave the site because of points I think there are more serious issues you need to deal with.

JJ be careful. It has come to my attention that your transaction to Fishhead for 300 points transfer from 3 months ago is currently under scrutiny.

Dirty Sanchez · 04-22-10, 11:59 AM

Where there's smoke there's fire. OSB has dudes with multiple screenames, but they think they're fooling people

Enogsiwon · 04-22-10, 12:01 PM

Off with their heads..

fukkin crooks..

BatemanPatrickl · 04-22-10, 12:11 PM

Careful. Willie will scold you unless you are his little pet Pavyracer.

DrStale · 04-22-10, 12:18 PM

There is a difference between the letter of the law and the spirit of the law, which is something Lou just doesn't get in this situation.

The letter of the law is that these two broke the aforementioned rules and therefore have been accurately punished by having their point-making capabilities removed.

The spirit of the law is to stop posters from abusing the points system by creating multiple accounts and then funneling the points into one of the accounts. Had Crazy Lou actually looked into the matter instead of jumping the gun he would have seen that two very different posters have contributed greatly to the forum, more so than the vast majority of registered posters.

Realizing this, the tactful and logical solution would be to contact the posters in question and explain the situation, then deciding which poster would have his point-making privileges removed.

On SBR, as in life, there is no black and white and instead there are many shades of gray. Instead of realizing his mistake and attempting to work through a more promising solution Lou is hiding behind his rulebook, at the expense of the forum which is on the verge of losing two excellent contributors.

pavyracer · 04-22-10, 12:48 PM

Very good post Dr Stale. I believe Karaliyan has indicated he doesn't care about the points being taken away but was upset at the accusations this was a mastermind plan to defraud the system after being here for almost a year before points were introduced and contributed thousands of useful posts for free that made many of us real money.

SRBI · 04-22-10, 12:54 PM

Originally posted by DrStale

There is a difference between the letter of the law and the spirit of the law, which is something Lou just doesn't get in this situation.

The letter of the law is that these two broke the aforementioned rules and therefore have been accurately punished by having their point-making capabilities removed.

The spirit of the law is to stop posters from abusing the points system by creating multiple accounts and then funneling the points into one of the accounts. Had Crazy Lou actually looked into the matter instead of jumping the gun he would have seen that two very different posters have contributed greatly to the forum, more so than the vast majority of registered posters.

Realizing this, the tactful and logical solution would be to contact the posters in question and explain the situation, then deciding which poster would have his point-making privileges removed.

On SBR, as in life, there is no black and white and instead there are many shades of gray. Instead of realizing his mistake and attempting to work through a more promising solution Lou is hiding behind his rulebook, at the expense of the forum which is on the verge of losing two excellent contributors.

Extremely well-said. I think that pretty much sums it up +1

BatemanPatrickl · 04-22-10, 12:57 PM

Guys broke the rules. Oh and by the way they are free SBR points. SBR has the right to do what they want.

Don't like it leave.

DrStale · 04-22-10, 01:06 PM

Originally posted by BatemanPatrickl

Guys broke the rules. Oh and by the way they are free SBR points. SBR has the right to do what they want.

Don't like it leave.

You see Bateman, the point of a forum such as this one is to keep quality posters around because they draw in other potential posters. Ideally, SBR does not want to piss off quality posters and have them leave (at least I assume so). Therefore yes, these posters are free to leave, but that does seem counterproductive to SBR's goals.

Let me know when you catch up.