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  • shari91
    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
    • 02-23-10
    • 32661

    #1
    Women, Gambling and SBR
    Full disclosure: I am one of a group of 17 women (well now it's actually 19 but I haven't personally met 2 of the girls) who have been lurking at SBR and another gambling forum for over a year. We're all friends, we all love to gamble, and actually the majority of our group have been around here for 2yrs +. Some have registered and have never posted or post VERY rarely, some just operate in complete ninja stealth-mode and I am the only one who posts regularily from our group.

    I hesitated ever posting at all, but I enjoyed what I was watching in LB's NBA thread and liked (as much as you can via the Internet) a core group of the people in there so I said stuff it, finally registered properly and here I am. Since I've been here, I've been bashed in threads (which I can totally handle unless you bring my son into the discussion which happened today) and have received disgusting PMs. I must admit though that for every crappy PM I've had, I've received triple the amount of decent ones so it's all good.

    So obviously those in my group have basically written off the prospect of ever becoming a 'proper' member of this forum. Although 4 in my group consistently make enough money to not have to return to work so they can concentrate on raising their children, and maybe, I know it's a stretch, but maybe, have something worthwhile to contribute, they've closely watched my experience here and said "Hell NO".

    We even meet twice a year (we're all spread out over the world thanks to work): once in Vegas and now in Macau, to spend a week gambling together on anything and everything. In fact, our Vegas trip is scheduled for a week before the SBR Bash and we were seriously contemplating extending it just so we could kind of silently take part and maybe meet the regulars on here if we felt comfortable enough. Obviously that idea has been scrapped now and the fact that I had mistakenly uploaded an actual picture of me from my desktop when I first signed up officially means we probably wouldn't be able to go incognito for long.

    So the question is: Why do y'all find it hard to believe that there are actually females who like to gamble, and heaven forbid, may actually be ok at it? Is it because stereotypically women claim not to like sports? For the record, you don't need to 'enjoy' watching a particular sport to be able to cap it at a winning percentage. And sometimes women claim to dislike sports because it's been drilled in their heads that it's neither feminine nor attractive to guys to be screaming at a tv screen.

    We're all just baffled. Especially because it seems that for some on here the presence of more women on the forum would seriously increase the amount of female interaction they would have in a day. Or double it even! That would be a good thing, no?

    And I highly suspect if we've been here for this long then there must be others who just aren't posting.

    What's the story? (And please try not to be too jackarse-ish in your replies as I've had a bit of a rough day). Thanks.
  • paco
    SBR Aristocracy
    • 05-07-09
    • 62873

    #2
    Cliff notes please.
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    • Boner_18
      SBR Hall of Famer
      • 08-24-08
      • 8301

      #3
      Because statistically people who gamble on sports are white males. Simple as that.
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      • shari91
        BARRELED IN @ SBR!
        • 02-23-10
        • 32661

        #4
        Originally posted by paco
        Cliff notes please.
        I know. That's the collective work of 9 different women via MSN. I suggested shortening it - but majority rules. And you know how stubborn women can be!

        So just READ IT buster.
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        • shari91
          BARRELED IN @ SBR!
          • 02-23-10
          • 32661

          #5
          Originally posted by Boner_18
          Because statistically people who gamble on sports are white males. Simple as that.
          Statistically when? I'm just curious as to when someone actually properly researched this stat. This decade? Last?

          Just look at this forum - definitely a lot of non-Caucasians gambling on here. Those stats seem outdated to me.
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          • Carson05
            SBR Wise Guy
            • 10-02-08
            • 506

            #6
            no girls i have ever talked to knew anything about sports gambling or acted like they gave 2 shits
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            • BeatTheJerk
              BARRELED IN @ SBR!
              • 08-19-07
              • 31794

              #7
              Shari91 just a side note for you and the other women on this board. Women that gamble on sports make my dick hard. Amen ............
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              • wal66
                SBR Hall of Famer
                • 10-14-08
                • 5305

                #8
                So glad you elected to ask this question. It will give many of us ample opportunity to show our ignorance in a different light.

                Possible answer #1: With the evolutuion of womens rights and the infussion of equality sports and sports wagering was one of the few "all boys clubs" left. So when women attempt to infiltrate that as well it is just instinctive to lash out. While society tells us that we are all equal and we share the rights as a whole guys just want to have something left that is theirs.

                Possible answer #2: A guy wants to still think of women as innocent. Regardless of how many female criminals of all levels we have had throughout history when it comes down to it we think of women as docile. When we see women speaking of gambling and such it is a constant reminder that they are just like us and our phsyches can't handle it.

                Possible answer #3: Without question there will be those out there that will automatically associate women and gambling with lesbianism. Not the good kind where it's two hot bi chicks who secretly want to invite us over for a threesome. Nope hardcore full on bull dyke lesbianism.

                While this is a limited list of what I could think up off the top of my head I am sure there are others. However I think the few examples shown here are reflective that the male reactions to women and gambling are a product of our own complexities in dealing with women as a whole. We went from sharing our bedrooms with them to sharing our offices with them to sharing the racetrack with them to sharing the bathrooms with them, I guess we just wanted something left that we could call our own.
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                • Boner_18
                  SBR Hall of Famer
                  • 08-24-08
                  • 8301

                  #9
                  Originally posted by shari91
                  Statistically when? I'm just curious as to when someone actually properly researched this stat. This decade? Last?

                  Just look at this forum - definitely a lot of non-Caucasians gambling on here. Those stats seem outdated to me.
                  Here is one link. I don't know if this qualifies as "properly researched" but it is from 2003 and indicates white males are the largest gambling demographic in the US.

                  Contact the Harvard Psych department, I'm sure you can find current studies that show the stat. Can't argue with science.
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                  • shari91
                    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                    • 02-23-10
                    • 32661

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Boner_18
                    Here is one link. I don't know if this qualifies as "properly researched" but it is from 2003 and indicates white males are the largest gambling demographic in the US. Contact the Harvard Psych department, I'm sure you can find current studies that show the stat. Can't argue with science.
                    Thanks for the link! Off to take a look now. And believe me, the way everyone's fired up right now I wouldn't put it past some of them calling Harvard immediately.

                    Thanks again
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                    • Boner_18
                      SBR Hall of Famer
                      • 08-24-08
                      • 8301

                      #11
                      I'm on hold right now....
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                      • Boner_18
                        SBR Hall of Famer
                        • 08-24-08
                        • 8301

                        #12
                        just kidding.
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                        • shari91
                          BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                          • 02-23-10
                          • 32661

                          #13
                          Originally posted by wal66
                          So glad you elected to ask this question. It will give many of us ample opportunity to show our ignorance in a different light. Possible answer #1: With the evolutuion of womens rights and the infussion of equality sports and sports wagering was one of the few "all boys clubs" left. So when women attempt to infiltrate that as well it is just instinctive to lash out. While society tells us that we are all equal and we share the rights as a whole guys just want to have something left that is theirs. Possible answer #2: A guy wants to still think of women as innocent. Regardless of how many female criminals of all levels we have had throughout history when it comes down to it we think of women as docile. When we see women speaking of gambling and such it is a constant reminder that they are just like us and our phsyches can't handle it. Possible answer #3: Without question there will be those out there that will automatically associate women and gambling with lesbianism. Not the good kind where it's two hot bi chicks who secretly want to invite us over for a threesome. Nope hardcore full on bull dyke lesbianism. While this is a limited list of what I could think up off the top of my head I am sure there are others. However I think the few examples shown here are reflective that the male reactions to women and gambling are a product of our own complexities in dealing with women as a whole. We went from sharing our bedrooms with them to sharing our offices with them to sharing the racetrack with them to sharing the bathrooms with them, I guess we just wanted something left that we could call our own.
                          See, #1 I've thought of this many times. In fact, that suggestion was initially included in that opus written above but I vetoed it because my bloody fingers were so sore from typing I understand that reasoning. I totally do. But the fact is that women have been gambling for centuries - in some circles it was just kept a little more quiet depending on the woman's class/social status, etc. But it's always been happening.

                          #3 I can honestly admit I've never thought of as a possibility in the slightest. Wow. We're all possibly butch lesbians? Although purely for entertainment sake I would love to even just play along with this, sadly each of us is not only straight, but so ridiculously girly that your head would explode from hair spray and lip gloss fumes. I like this theory though!!

                          As for your last rationale, I get that completely. I truly do. Maybe I should just open a female open sports forum on my own and that way men don't feel intruded on and us females still can chat to others who are obviously like-minded when it comes to wagering.

                          Thank you so much for your insight. HUGE food for thought and it's genuinely appreciated.
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                          • kato
                            SBR Sharp
                            • 01-21-10
                            • 254

                            #14
                            gl

                            nice post
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                            • 2daBank
                              SBR Aristocracy
                              • 01-26-09
                              • 88966

                              #15
                              im rude to more ppl than not around here, if anything ive been rather nice to you, your welcome but dont push it....if i knew there were degenerate women out there i would have held out on the whole marriage thing until i found me one, so tell your friends not to be shy, after all they couldnt possibly be any more stupid than half these fuks around here as it is
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                              • shari91
                                BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                • 02-23-10
                                • 32661

                                #16
                                Originally posted by Boner_18
                                just kidding.
                                Classic.

                                If you're having trouble getting through it's probably because you're competing with multiple calls from the US and overseas.

                                I think you've caused Harvard a HUGE headache today.

                                But it's awesome. So thank you!!
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                                • michalis
                                  Restricted User
                                  • 01-02-10
                                  • 1439

                                  #17
                                  hey shari, what exactly is your grievance, I have yet to understand

                                  are there people on the forum insulting you simply because you are a woman which gambles?

                                  or are they simply not believing you are in fact a woman?

                                  if people are insulting you, dont think about it, everyone everyone gets picked on, unfortunately there will always be people with a bad word in their mouth so dont take it personally

                                  if people dont trust that you are indeed a woman, you can understand their relactance to believe you. personally, most of the guys i have met in my life, young or old, range from very addicted to gambling to having placed at least one sports bet in their life, and if they dont gamble regularly on sports they do on horses, poker, casino type games etc etc

                                  its like part of the male identity

                                  on the other hand i fail to recall having ever met a woman that had actually placed a bet on sports or horseracing, met some that may just play some card games for change, and a reasonable number that likes casinos but that is it

                                  I can see why some may not believe it
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                                  • mrmarket
                                    SBR MVP
                                    • 01-26-10
                                    • 4953

                                    #18
                                    There are more women who gamble then men. As for your reception on this forum you have to take into account the nature of people who post on forum. Sometimes they are not the most socially capable individuals and with the anonymous nature of the internet they can expound relentlessly without consequence so I'm not surprised at the sex starved males pming you with solicitations.

                                    That being said woman or men i really couldn't care less as long as they produce the green.
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                                    • shari91
                                      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                      • 02-23-10
                                      • 32661

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by 2daBank
                                      im rude to more ppl than not around here, if anything ive been rather nice to you, your welcome but dont push it....if i knew there were degenerate women out there i would have held out on the whole marriage thing until i found me one, so tell your friends not to be shy, after all they couldnt possibly be any more stupid than half these fuks around here as it is
                                      You indeed have been lovely and thank you for that.

                                      I'm not worried about people being dicks for the sake of it as most of the time that stuff makes me laugh my arse off. It's just when it's solely related to the fact that we're women who just want to talk to others about gambling that it gets a bit too much and we thought we'd try to figure out why.

                                      And honestly? There are heaps of us degenerate women out there who live and breathe sports betting. Should you ever be on the market again, let me know and I'll do my best to hook you up.
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                                      • Al Masters
                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                        • 04-29-06
                                        • 6940

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Carson05
                                        no girls i have ever talked to knew anything about sports gambling or acted like they gave 2 shits
                                        Leave your hut in Pakastan and head west to find a few that do.
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                                        • 2daBank
                                          SBR Aristocracy
                                          • 01-26-09
                                          • 88966

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by shari91
                                          You indeed have been lovely and thank you for that.

                                          I'm not worried about people being dicks for the sake of it as most of the time that stuff makes me laugh my arse off. It's just when it's solely related to the fact that we're women who just want to talk to others about gambling that it gets a bit too much and we thought we'd try to figure out why.

                                          And honestly? There are heaps of us degenerate women out there who live and breathe sports betting. Should you ever be on the market again, let me know and I'll do my best to hook you up.

                                          appreciate it but sadly i believe im in for life not sure i could really tolerate being with someone who bet on a game i didnt like anyway....the fact ppl around here pm you stupid shit and are rude because your a woman just confirms the stupidity level around here, i myself am a equal opportunity asshole trying to save my attacks for ignorant ppl as opposed to meaningless things like sex,race, or whatever, so long as you dont go retard your good with me
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                                          • shari91
                                            BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                            • 02-23-10
                                            • 32661

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by michalis
                                            hey shari, what exactly is your grievance, I have yet to understand

                                            are there people on the forum insulting you simply because you are a woman which gambles?

                                            or are they simply not believing you are in fact a woman?

                                            if people are insulting you, dont think about it, everyone everyone gets picked on, unfortunately there will always be people with a bad word in their mouth so dont take it personally

                                            if people dont trust that you are indeed a woman, you can understand their relactance to believe you. personally, most of the guys i have met in my life, young or old, range from very addicted to gambling to having placed at least one sports bet in their life, and if they dont gamble regularly on sports they do on horses, poker, casino type games etc etc

                                            its like part of the male identity

                                            on the other hand i fail to recall having ever met a woman that had actually placed a bet on sports or horseracing, met some that may just play some card games for change, and a reasonable number that likes casinos but that is it

                                            I can see why some may not believe it
                                            No grievance at all!! Just trying to gain some insight.

                                            Yes I've been questioned a few times as to whether I'm actually a female. I even offered to Skype with a poster that instant because I was sick of hearing it from him and being called a 'liar' of all things, especially. But 99% of posters believe I'm female, and even if they didn't, that wouldn't worry me at all. Would probably work in my favour actually

                                            If you've never met a woman who has placed a bet, I'd suggest you take a trip to Australia. I'm not from here, but I've been here for 5 years, and not only is horse racing HUGE here (which is awesome!!) but this is basically the most sports-centric country I have ever lived in. And I've lived in quite a few thanks to work.

                                            You should see some women when they're at an AFL match or are discussing their footy tips. Women gamble. Not all, not even the majority, but there are a lot who do. And some do it quite successfully!
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                                            • ronald
                                              SBR MVP
                                              • 10-31-05
                                              • 4919

                                              #23
                                              1) Most women can't stomach the swings. I've had a few girlfriends that gambled and they all got so euphoric with the wins and so depressed with the losses. I think that's generally true with most things in life. Women are more risk-averse.

                                              2) Most women don't know a whole lot about sports. Most sportsbettors were sports fans before they became bettors.

                                              3) Sportsbetting is a man's world. Here's an analogy: whenever I fly First Class, I expect that 85% of the seats will be filled by men. The 15% women component is usually girlfriends/wives of the men. If I were to board a plane one day and see FC filled primarily with women, I would assume that their husbands all gave them frequent flyer miles or paid for them to go somewhere nice. I would NEVER assume that they were all business women flying in FC on their own merit. That's just the reality we live in.

                                              So do I believe that 9 women have all joined together to post on this forum? No. Much like a FC cabin filled with women, I'd have to see it to believe it. I think a lot of these bettors that claim to be women are men.

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                                              • Chel
                                                SBR Hustler
                                                • 03-25-09
                                                • 55

                                                #24
                                                I think I would have to agree with Wal first argument here ... I think men as a whole want to have one thing that is left to be theirs.. When I first signed up as a friend's suggestion I wouldn't have dared replied to a post or as of now either ...I had also posted a picture but soon removed it because my friend told me if I left it up it would be nothing but nasty comments and rudeness.. When I first signed up .. SBR was full of drama... love, sex, violence, gambling .. it had to better than most prime time shows but as many that caused the drama has moved on .. it was very entertaining ... Now I just like to come and read and get a bit of insight on the games ... as for me not much of a gambler not even a good gambler ... just like the thrill and excitment of the games ... kinda like poker it can give you a high but in a instance ... its all gone .. so now I just kind treat SBR .. like a men's locker room ... a place you know you shouldn't really be but can't help but take a peek... Good luck Shari
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                                                • wal66
                                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                                  • 10-14-08
                                                  • 5305

                                                  #25
                                                  Shari, while my post was an attempt at humor I agree we should all be more accepting of one another whether that be between the races or the sexes. I think the two of us can jump start this. I will accept you as an equal, oh what the hell you can even be a superior gambler and you can take one for your side and give this fat guy some (not "a", as in game) play.
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                                                  • blackbeSSt
                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                    • 09-06-08
                                                    • 9398

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by ronald
                                                    1)So do I believe that 9 women have all joined together to post on this forum? No. Much like a FC cabin filled with women, I'd have to see it to believe it. I think a lot of these bettors that claim to be women are men.

                                                    DING DING DING!!! Tell him what he's won Johnny!

                                                    but hey its a frickin internet forum. i don't care if you are a poop flingin monkey that logs on as long as you can give me picks that make me money
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                                                    • Fishhead
                                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                                      • 08-11-05
                                                      • 40179

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by Carson05
                                                      no girls i have ever talked to knew anything about sports gambling or acted like they gave 2 shits

                                                      My girlfriend(Billsfan) knows more about sports and sports gambling then the majority of men..........in fact, the majority of men on this very forum.
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                                                      • Fishhead
                                                        SBR Aristocracy
                                                        • 08-11-05
                                                        • 40179

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by Fishhead
                                                        My girlfriend(Billsfan) knows more about sports and sports gambling then the majority of men..........in fact, the majority of men on this very forum.

                                                        I can't imagine ANY female that is more into sportsbetting then Billsfan..............anyone that has met her will tell you the same exact thing!
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                                                        • jjgold
                                                          SBR Aristocracy
                                                          • 07-20-05
                                                          • 388179

                                                          #29
                                                          Shari turn off your PM's, they are useless. I have led a campaign trying to get rid of these and it will happen within the next 6 months. Women sports bettors are definitely not the norm so when women claim they bet sports we find it hard to believe. As far as your betting syndicate is concerned I doubt it exists. I am sure you have a group of friends that maybe meet a casino or something but as far as betting sports it sounds far fetched. Shari the enemy is the raccoon not the bookmakers. I probably could spend approx 20 minutes with you on the phone and get an excellent read on you. I can school you on marriage, social behaviors, gambling and sex related topics. As far as bashing it is part of posting and you need to have tough skin to handle it. Many guys here like myself have not been laid in a very long time and actually I will go as far as to we do not even converse with women. The only time i converse with a woman is for a sexual negotiation with escorts and then the finality I can touch the breasts, squeeze them, ect. We get very excited when we see a woman poster that gambles because it is rare and every one wants to be with that person. Shari if you posted your # I say over 400 guys would call wanting to flyout and meet you thinking they had a shot getting laid. I remember last year leading up to the bash guys were going fukkin crazy when women posters hinted they might go to the bash. Almost every guy wanted to room with them and or party with them thinking they would get laid. I would not go to the bash because everyone will hover over year and most are sexually frustrated so even if you smile or frown at them they will think that is a signal for sex and or dating. Shari I am still waiting for you to call me, why this is such a hard task for you is beyond belief. Enjoy your day and God Bless.
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                                                          • Slainte
                                                            SBR MVP
                                                            • 12-13-09
                                                            • 2442

                                                            #30
                                                            So since i already know that they're professional women cappers, i just wonder is that advantage?? Is it better to be a girl, do they chase less.For example i've heard that women are better drivers just because they drive more cautiously than men, could this be applied in betting? Maybe that's the secret weapon against the books? lol
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                                                            • jjgold
                                                              SBR Aristocracy
                                                              • 07-20-05
                                                              • 388179

                                                              #31
                                                              Majority of women that do bet are squares, they bet small and most do not chase unless they have a compulsive personality. Billsfan is one of the sharpest bettors around and as far as women are concerned she is the best. She bets approx $500 a game and rarely on a bad number.
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                                                              • Slainte
                                                                SBR MVP
                                                                • 12-13-09
                                                                • 2442

                                                                #32
                                                                So the safe women's approach combined with lots of knowledge,patience and rational mind makes the perfect gambling machine?
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                                                                • shari91
                                                                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                                  • 02-23-10
                                                                  • 32661

                                                                  #33
                                                                  You guys are awesome!!!

                                                                  And for the record: Chel is not part of the group of females I'm talking about, but I KNEW there were more of us out there. See????

                                                                  Let's clear a few things up: There is no 'syndicate'. I have a group of 19 female friends spread across the world who love to gamble. We chat on MSN and iChat, email each other picks or leans, and just basically do what all of you do with your mates. I hate to burst some of your entire belief systems, but we DO exist.

                                                                  We do not post under one account. My account is mine. I wrote this today on behalf of the group of us, because I'm already here and some of you know me.

                                                                  And for the ding ding ding Johnny nonsense...9 women did not join together. 18 women other than myself are part of this forum, everyone having joined at different times, or not at all. Nothing dodgy - just some people felt the need to post something once and others never have or don't have the guts to put up with the crap. 16 of these women are close friends. 2 have been introduced to our little chats via 'friends of friends' kind of things so while I will not call them 'close friends' of mine, they are indeed closer to me than random acquaintances.

                                                                  JJ - I would love for you to come along to one of our little 'trips' so you could see what our tiny interest in sports and poker actually consists of. Each year we go to Vegas and Macau. Used to be Vegas x2 but now that a few of us have moved to the Southern Hemisphere and Macau has opened an awesome casino with more poker tables than we know what to do with, we split the trips.

                                                                  Again, thanks everyone for the insight. And Chel - if I'm still here, I hope to be seeing more of you around in the future.

                                                                  Oh and for whomever was going on about First Class on a flight, if you're assuming that everyone in there is a girlfriend/wife of someone with a little money or more likely than not enough status credits to get an upgrade thanks to the 'big shot male' making multiple monthly trips from Cleveland to Butt Fukk Iowa as part of his role as the accountant for the National Toilet Bowl Association, then you are seriously deluding yourself. Some of us actually work!!!!!! And make money!!!!! Enough money to put us way above the highest tax bracket regardless of the country we're living in and sometimes much more than our husbands/partners. Miracles do happen
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                                                                  • jjgold
                                                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                                                    • 07-20-05
                                                                    • 388179

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Ok what is going on Here?

                                                                    The only way we can confirm that Shari is real is a interview with her. I can make this happen.
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                                                                    • 2daBank
                                                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                                                      • 01-26-09
                                                                      • 88966

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by jjgold
                                                                      Ok what is going on Here?

                                                                      The only way we can confirm that Shari is real is a interview with her. I can make this happen.



                                                                      at this point i feel pretty confident that she is who she says but i know you dying to actually make contact with a women so knock yourself out.....seriously if Sheri is a guy she is a twisted fuk (think buffalo bill, silence of the lambs type shit)
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