How to deal with friends...

DrStale · 04-04-10, 03:07 AM

If someone is stupid enough to do heroin then they're not worth your time. With all that we know about that kind of crap you have to be an idiot to get into it.

Do they need help? Yeah. But helping them is going to entail a lot of work and self-sacrifice and they put themselves into this situation. IMO it's not worth it.

ericthegangster · 04-04-10, 03:31 AM

are they snorting or shooting the heroin? as long as they arent sharing needles jump in there you pussy

Domestic · 04-04-10, 03:52 AM

Originally posted by ericthegangster

are they snorting or shooting the heroin? as long as they arent sharing needles jump in there you pussy

I don't think they are worth your time now man, even if you have been friends with them for a long time. This is the kind of decision you can only really make though, we don't know your friends or interact with them personally.

jjgold · 04-04-10, 08:27 AM

Originally posted by GiveMeaBJ

I don't get it. Some of my friends have these crazy personalities and sometimes something will happen and I feel like I don't even know them. I just learned two of my close friends started using heroin. Now mind you, I live in one of the most wealthy suburbs of New Jersey as a whole and grew up with one of the kids living just 5 houses up the street. One of the few childhood friends I have remained close with throughout high school and college. The other kid I first started hanging out with in high school and we developed more of a gambling relationship then anything but I still would go to the Shore with him for memorial day and shit. He is a pretty close friend. These two were big into weed first, moved to coke but coke is more commonly used then weed around here. They moved to pills and all sorts of shit and then I learned they were doing heroin. Now I could never picture them doing this all day, drugs were more of a social, party thing for them.

So now what? I really don't want to have to hang out with kids like this but I can't just cut them off. I mean when they are around me they don't mention it or anything and if we do anything we are drinking or smoking weed. Then when they are around another group of friends they just do whatever anyone brings to the table. Clearly they have different personalities around different friends. Is this normal? Because I am the same with everybody and although some friends I will gamble with and some I will just hang out with but I act the same no matter what.

Should I just slowly let them drift away or try to help them? Anyone have experiences with friends like this? I don't even know how to act around them anymore because it is just awkward at this point.

Well gradually back away from them because they will be junkies forever now, there is no such thing as stopping heroin, they will always be in and out of rehabs. Secondly they will steal from you, ask you for money all the time, ect.

I have a few guys I know are drunks and all they do is ask me for money, every once in a while I will give them money for beer but that is it. I keep my distance from all people other than casual friends, it is best way to live and no commitments with people. I have found out when you become close friends with people all they do is ask you for stuff, etc and I do not want to be bothered.

Rio DiNero · 04-04-10, 10:41 AM

If they are your true friends you should intervene and try to help them, if you don't, odds are they will be dead or in jail. Trust me, I have first hand experience.

2daBank · 04-04-10, 10:45 AM

H is the thing right now

THE PROFIT · 04-04-10, 10:45 AM

BJ, as you get older you will learn that "friend" is a term that is used too loosely, like "love".

You will understand the difference in a friend and an acquaintance

Doc JS · 04-04-10, 10:51 AM

Originally posted by ericthegangster

are they snorting or shooting the heroin? as long as they arent sharing needles jump in there you pussy

2daBank · 04-04-10, 10:52 AM

Originally posted by THE PROFIT

BJ, as you get older you will learn that "friend" is a term that is used too loosely, like "love".

You will understand the difference in a friend and an acquaintance

no doubt and you will probably learn this the hard way once or twice before it sinks in....its fukked up when you wake up and realize you lucky if you got 3 real friends

THE PROFIT · 04-04-10, 10:56 AM

3 would be a high number 2da!

2daBank · 04-04-10, 10:58 AM

Originally posted by THE PROFIT

3 would be a high number 2da!

what can i say im lucky....of coarse i went through tons of trash to get this lofty number of ppl i really trust and know are my friends

jjgold · 04-04-10, 11:00 AM

You do not help a heroin addict

They have to do it on their own

heroin hardest habit to kick

2daBank · 04-04-10, 11:01 AM

this H thing really blew up, when i went to prison everyone i knew was way more into speed i get out and they all on H and seems like every other day i hear about someone i used to know OD'ing on the shit

2daBank · 04-04-10, 11:09 AM

Originally posted by jjgold

You do not help a heroin addict

They have to do it on their own

heroin hardest habit to kick

way back in the day i had a little H and morphine binge for about a month then a partner of mine came over 1 day and we did some meth w/o even thinking about it (high on meth) just didnt do any H or Morphine during the night and let me tell ya i couldnt imagine being on that shit a year and it happening cause i was sick as shit, cold sweats, puking, it was horrible i had more shit cause unlike most ppl whatever drug i was doing back in the day i had plenty of... i looked at that shit so many times throughout the night knowing all i had to do was do some and id feel better but i just rode that shit out cause i like my drugs to be mentally addictive that whole physical addiction shit wasnt for me...i tell all these fukheads i know doing it now they fukkin crazy cause i mean yea i binged for a month and payed the price but damn ive seen motha fukkers come off that shit that been doing it for a lot longer and it aint pretty.....

iceminers26 · 04-04-10, 11:14 AM

Originally posted by GiveMeaBJ

I don't get it. Some of my friends have these crazy personalities and sometimes something will happen and I feel like I don't even know them. I just learned two of my close friends started using heroin. Now mind you, I live in one of the most wealthy suburbs of New Jersey as a whole and grew up with one of the kids living just 5 houses up the street. One of the few childhood friends I have remained close with throughout high school and college. The other kid I first started hanging out with in high school and we developed more of a gambling relationship then anything but I still would go to the Shore with him for memorial day and shit. He is a pretty close friend. These two were big into weed first, moved to coke but coke is more commonly used then weed around here. They moved to pills and all sorts of shit and then I learned they were doing heroin. Now I could never picture them doing this all day, drugs were more of a social, party thing for them. So now what? I really don't want to have to hang out with kids like this but I can't just cut them off. I mean when they are around me they don't mention it or anything and if we do anything we are drinking or smoking weed. Then when they are around another group of friends they just do whatever anyone brings to the table. Clearly they have different personalities around different friends. Is this normal? Because I am the same with everybody and although some friends I will gamble with and some I will just hang out with but I act the same no matter what. Should I just slowly let them drift away or try to help them? Anyone have experiences with friends like this? I don't even know how to act around them anymore because it is just awkward at this point.

A had a similar case BJ, one of my close friends growing up and knew since I was like 5, played little league together, played on several hockey teams growing up and in high school as well, etc. started using heroin a few years back. I was away at college and hadn't talked to him in probably 2 years and then 1 day I heard he got arrested for using and selling heroin, I was shocked to say the least. Yes, we did coke and weed and liked to party, but I thought all our friends knew where to draw the line but obviously not the case. I hadn't spoken to him or kept tabs on him that much because I was hours away at school but during the summertime every year I would still hang with him here and there and had no clue he was doing this until I heard about him getting busted. Well to fast forward I moved back to the area about 2 years ago and he was out of prison and I was asked if I would coach my old high school's hockey team so I decided I would try and help him out and let him be one of my assistants to keep him busy after work so he stayed out of trouble. Let me be the first to say, although a good gesture, it ended up biting me in the ass and I was always constantly pretty much babysitting and watching out for him. On several occasions I would try and help him out and he made several promises that he was off the shit and at times he seemed to be doing better, but I still had my doubt but there, as a friend, is only so much you can do. Well 1 weekend last summer I was away for 2 weeks coaching in the PA Olympics and come back to find out that he OD and they had to bring him back to life at the hospital, keep in mind this is now the second time he has OD. Even though I had my doubts, he still seemed to be at least heading in the right direction and now this occurs, obviously he was not and at this point I began to realize that regardless of what friends and/or family do, individuals who are hooked on heroin are in many cases ****ed for life. Well about 6 months ago his girl had a little baby girl and he and she brought her to the house and were so happy and him and I got a chance to talk 1 on 1 and he told me that this little girl was his turning point and that this time he was done for good with all drugs and alcohol. Just 2 months ago he was arrested for violating his parole because of heroin showing up on a drug test and got sentenced to 5 years in the state pen with a minimum 1 year served, his girl left him, and now he is all alone locked up. Hopefully since he is locked up and can't get his hands on any heroin that this time he will finally kick this terrible drug, but with the past track record, it does not look good. You are a pretty young guy if I remember correctly and it might be painful to think about, but you just have to drop both of these friends and move on. You cannot help them, you may think you can but its all up to them, and in the long run they can only put you in tough situations and make your life harder, not better, trust me on this. Good luck, but I think you have to just cut your losses and pray for them.

THE PROFIT · 04-04-10, 11:41 AM

Originally posted by 2daBank

what can i say im lucky....of coarse i went through tons of trash to get this lofty number of ppl i really trust and know are my friends

yeah, I mean most people would be hard pressed to say they had 3 true friends. Well, that's the thing, they'll say they have a bunch. But when push comes to shove they;ll see

OMGRandyJackson · 04-04-10, 12:03 PM

2dabank, how many times did you do meth?

BGS 9.5 · 04-04-10, 12:06 PM

fukkin H, that is a shame....

2daBank · 04-04-10, 12:15 PM

Originally posted by OMGRandyJackson

2dabank, how many times did you do meth?

from ages 16 to 20 pretty much never slept.....then throughout 20's more casually just from time to time stay up for a few days here and there and when i was making trips to tex or cali to pick up dope...now i really dont care for it anymore eat addys from time to time but havnt did meth in quite a while last time i did it just wasnt the same as it used to be, guess i got old

GiveMeaBJ · 04-04-10, 12:33 PM

Originally posted by THE PROFIT

BJ, as you get older you will learn that "friend" is a term that is used too loosely, like "love".

You will understand the difference in a friend and an acquaintance

I'm already leanring this. I know the love thing is all bullshit and you have these high school relationships that have been going on for a week or two and all they say is they love each other. I guess the one kid I grew up with was truly a friend the other more of an aquaintance. Either way though, it still sucks.

Originally posted by iceminers26

A had a similar case BJ, one of my close friends growing up and knew since I was like 5, played little league together, played on several hockey teams growing up and in high school as well, etc. started using heroin a few years back. I was away at college and hadn't talked to him in probably 2 years and then 1 day I heard he got arrested for using and selling heroin, I was shocked to say the least. Yes, we did coke and weed and liked to party, but I thought all our friends knew where to draw the line but obviously not the case. I hadn't spoken to him or kept tabs on him that much because I was hours away at school but during the summertime every year I would still hang with him here and there and had no clue he was doing this until I heard about him getting busted. Well to fast forward I moved back to the area about 2 years ago and he was out of prison and I was asked if I would coach my old high school's hockey team so I decided I would try and help him out and let him be one of my assistants to keep him busy after work so he stayed out of trouble. Let me be the first to say, although a good gesture, it ended up biting me in the ass and I was always constantly pretty much babysitting and watching out for him. On several occasions I would try and help him out and he made several promises that he was off the shit and at times he seemed to be doing better, but I still had my doubt but there, as a friend, is only so much you can do. Well 1 weekend last summer I was away for 2 weeks coaching in the PA Olympics and come back to find out that he OD and they had to bring him back to life at the hospital, keep in mind this is now the second time he has OD. Even though I had my doubts, he still seemed to be at least heading in the right direction and now this occurs, obviously he was not and at this point I began to realize that regardless of what friends and/or family do, individuals who are hooked on heroin are in many cases ****ed for life. Well about 6 months ago his girl had a little baby girl and he and she brought her to the house and were so happy and him and I got a chance to talk 1 on 1 and he told me that this little girl was his turning point and that this time he was done for good with all drugs and alcohol. Just 2 months ago he was arrested for violating his parole because of heroin showing up on a drug test and got sentenced to 5 years in the state pen with a minimum 1 year served, his girl left him, and now he is all alone locked up. Hopefully since he is locked up and can't get his hands on any heroin that this time he will finally kick this terrible drug, but with the past track record, it does not look good. You are a pretty young guy if I remember correctly and it might be painful to think about, but you just have to drop both of these friends and move on. You cannot help them, you may think you can but its all up to them, and in the long run they can only put you in tough situations and make your life harder, not better, trust me on this. Good luck, but I think you have to just cut your losses and pray for them.

Wow. That is terrible. I think you may be right and it may be time to let them go.

flyingillini · 04-04-10, 12:40 PM

You can do blow, meth, weed, E, etc etc.. Once you start to do Heroin you are done for. They will have their ups and downs.. they will go to jail in and out of rehab and this will be a cycle they will have in their life. You will know them to stop for a while but the feeling you get from H is so good it will always draw you back. They could stop for a few years but they will eventually go back to it.

jlgarciaiii22 · 04-04-10, 12:51 PM

The only friend you got... Is the dollar in your pocket! Remember that youngster

flyingillini · 04-04-10, 12:56 PM

Originally posted by jlgarciaiii22

The only friend you got... Is the dollar in your pocket! Remember that youngster

This is the truth. I really have cut out friends in my life. Most of them have either gone on to a life of crime, drug addicts or married with kids. I have a business that keeps me busy and that is all I need. I have a nice place to live and happy with my current situation. No need to deal with other peoples problems or drama. Remember this.....

OMGRandyJackson · 04-04-10, 01:17 PM

Originally posted by 2daBank

from ages 16 to 20 pretty much never slept.....then throughout 20's more casually just from time to time stay up for a few days here and there and when i was making trips to tex or cali to pick up dope...now i really dont care for it anymore eat addys from time to time but havnt did meth in quite a while last time i did it just wasnt the same as it used to be, guess i got old

So you got over meth by just getting old? Did you get meth mouth at all? But man Im glad you were able to make it out.

BJ you cannot just leave your friends here, especially the one you grew up with. What kind of loyalty is that? You may need to provide some tough love and see him less and less, but you need to always be there to a point. You cannot be that guy he can go to when he needs $100 to score some more dope, however you need to be the guy he can come to and try to get help. The guy who can give him an ear, the guy who can take him to a drug support group, a rehab clinic, etc. etc.

You need to find a balance where he will see he is at serious risk of losing you, however knowing you are there. Ultimately though loyalty can only go so far and you may eventually need to drop him or give him some major space. Just do not turn your back to him completely and forever, because his drug habit started out social and has/will turn into an addiction where he will need help.

JerseyLove · 04-04-10, 01:25 PM

The brown will bring you down

flyingillini · 04-04-10, 01:26 PM

Is it Mexican Tar H or powder stuff? They will much harder of a time kicking the tar.

2daBank · 04-04-10, 01:29 PM

Originally posted by OMGRandyJackson

So you got over meth by just getting old?

i mean explain getting over..... i always partied pretty hard when i was younger but all these drugs with the exception of opiates are mentally addictive and im pretty strong willed if i dont wanna do something i dont do it.....there been a few times where i caught myself slipping and was pretty gone and when i realized that i just stop...was never really hard for me like some ppl make it out to be like i said imo it all comes down to mental toughness sure if you been doing it for a long period of time when it out of your system you may be crabby or sluggish for a minute but was never hard for me to get over like i guess it is for some ppl.....i still like to speed and will eat addy's every now and then or do a little blow but like i said meth just isnt the same anymore........not sure if you've done it or your just going off weak minded ppl and gov propaganda on this subject

jjgold · 04-04-10, 02:57 PM

Originally posted by flyingillini

You can do blow, meth, weed, E, etc etc.. Once you start to do Heroin you are done for. They will have their ups and downs.. they will go to jail in and out of rehab and this will be a cycle they will have in their life. You will know them to stop for a while but the feeling you get from H is so good it will always draw you back. They could stop for a few years but they will eventually go back to it.

End of thread, stay away from heroin junkies they will bring you down

OnkelChris · 04-04-10, 03:01 PM

The moment you try heroin you are lost.

jjgold · 04-04-10, 03:29 PM

Yes

Giver like I said should drift away from this guy gradually

Eventually guy will only be hanging with junkies anyway

acarmelo1 · 04-04-10, 03:34 PM

damn!!!

Givemeabj dont do drugs.

Now that you know this.

Just get away from those guys, or 2 things will happen.

1) You start doing Heroin to

2) They kill you and steal all ur stuff 2 buy more Heroin

Only 2 ways I see

The General · 04-04-10, 04:04 PM

I lost yet another friend last week to an OD. He drown on his own vomit in his sleep after a nighttime cocktail. Methadone, Benzos (Xanax,Valium, etc), Loritab, percicet, Alcohol, Trazedone, sleeping pills, Anti-depressants and Weed among other things every day for many years. He was 51 years old. I, too, have a lot of experience with addiction and it is a tough thing to intervene. If an addict has unlimited bank, then they will more than likely die. Going broke is a great treatment for many people. Trying to help an addict that doesn't want help is usually fruitless. Death is a common daily thing with drugs at all ages these days around my area in South Central Indiana. Meth is very popular and the anhydrous ammonia tanks are a big target currently on the farms. I can only wish you and your friends the best and hope for a good outcome. I do not drink alcohol any more and believe it or not I think alcohol is the worst thing to get off of. Doctors also take alcohol more serious than pills from my experience. Actually, Opiates (Pill form, anyhow) are one of the easiest drugs to get off of if you have a desire. The more substances included in the daily cocktail, the higher the chance of a death. The heart can only take so much. The train ride has to stop one way or another. Either you step off soon enough or the ride will end drastically. As for alcohol, you may read this and think I am very incorrect, but if you drink daily, try to take the next 7 days and do not take a drink. You'll know pretty quickly whether you have a problem or not if you can be honest.

Have a happy Easter, my friends.

GELATINOUS CUBE · 04-04-10, 05:37 PM

Cut em off.

OMGRandyJackson · 04-04-10, 06:25 PM

Originally posted by The General

Going broke is a great treatment for many people. .

Really because I thought for many people. going broke, leads to dick sucking and committing crimes to try and buy their next fix.