I've been very lucky lately...

[pronk]

Hey fellas, take a look at old, hand painted map of Americas dated 1730 that i purchased at Church sale last week.

[OmgUrMom]

how much you think its worth? how much did it cost you?

[pronk]

how much you think its worth? how much did it cost you?

It cost me $12 !!! How much it's worth? Oh, i have no idea but I know it's very expensive. I would say "no deal" if someone offered me $25,000. I'm waiting for an estimate from Sotheby's and Christy's auction houses.

[OmgUrMom]

not a bad return on investment! I'm not a collector but even i would realize something like this may be very valuable, what where they thinking exactly!?!? Good luck on the estimates and tell us when they come back.

[Boner_18]

If someone offered you 25k I would take it.
1) that 1730 is written in in ball point pen.
2) a similar looking but complete atlas by a world famous mapmaker produced around 1680 was appraised at 30k-50k on antiques road show (albeit a couple years ago).

No mistake, you hit the jackpot here but don't get greedy. Also, resist the urge to sell through an auction house, their fees and commissions are ridiculous. Find a map dealer or try to broker a private sale to save a couple G's. Good find.

[pronk]

This document is 46 years older than the Declaration of Independence.

[Chi_archie]

way to go pronk

take it to the pawn stars pawn shop in vegas

[Chi_archie]

how did they print in such vivid colors that stayed this bright, way back then?

[G's pks]

I zoomed in and found this>>>>

Copyright 2001...sorry!

[pronk]

If someone offered you 25k I would take it.
1) that 1730 is written in in ball point pen.

Boner, it's not a ball point pen, the date is written by a pencil. The images i've posted is little dark.

[robmpink]

I hope it is real. As Boner said it was written with pen. The colors on your piece are vivid. I wouldn't count my chickens before they hatch until it is verified to be what you say it is.

[pronk]

how did they print in such vivid colors that stayed this bright, way back then?

I've added some contrast to give i little punch to it.

[pronk]

I zoomed in and found this>>>>

Copyright 2001...sorry!

[kmarinouofm]

sorry bro.. been working in print and design my whole life.. this thing is less then 50 years old

[robmpink]

How would someone signing 1730 in 1730 in pencil be so well preserved 280 years later?

[JW Cash]

If a church sold this for $12....just goes to show you why
they are going thru so much bad mumbo jumbo lately....

Shows bad judgment......on the church's part....

Lets hope the German pope doesnt read SBR Forum or some
poor soul at the church will be defrocked...

[robmpink]

Anyway, I know it is a church sale, but do you think people are dummies? I'm sure someone had it checked out before hand anyway.

[Enogsiwon]

If it is real Fishhead will be very jealous..

[pronk]

Boner, this map is fairly large- about 25 inch by 26.

[G's pks]

[KingKolzig]

super pristine condition? that piece of paper is a replica

[kmarinouofm]

paper is all wrong.. would have been a mix of cotton and something else if it was a real map for use..

inks are all wrong even if you did add contrast..they didn't have bright colors that could last like this on paper.. especially this long.. just look at paintings from our past... nothing stays that vivid for that long , especially when they were doing things all natural back then..

nobody would have written on this map if it were real, maps were to important to the people that owned them as they were almost all hand made and $$$$$ to own.. that would be like me writing "rookie" on my jordan 1986 card.. ..

also your fonts are all wrong.. if this was 1730 u would see some bleeding on the fonts .. yet these look like they were printed with more modern technology...

if you were to tell me it was made by hand.. i would say no it wasn't look at the fonts.. to perfect.. if u were to tell me it was printed on a press.. i would say no thats impossible too.. they didn't have presses that could type fonts as small as some of the types are on this map.. and if it was a press u would catch some bleeding anywhere..

i think 12 bucks for what you got is pretty fair boss

[pronk]

sorry bro.. been working in print and design my whole life.. this thing is less then 50 years old

And i've been dealing antiques for many years to know if item was genuine or repro.

[kmarinouofm]

to be perfectly honest man .. this thing looks more like a 1950's action comics superman then it does a 1730's map..

u are gonna look silly at the auction house boss

[pronk]

super pristine condition?

No, it has some staines on the edges and black mold in some places.

[kmarinouofm]

here is a comic book ad from 1976.. and as u can see.. your map is better quality

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2097/2113451566_c049c79226.jpg&imgrefurl=http://munger2.blogspot.com/2007/12/old-comic-book-ads.html&usg=__8RtjUH_ia9EEYvqS-Npr9KpQjZk=&h=315&w=381&sz=111&hl=en&start=10&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=tDFeb_qZ9-fmIM:&tbnh=102&tbnw=123&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dold%2Bcomic%2Bbook%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dsafari%26sa%3DN%26rls%3Den%26tbs%3Disch:1

[kmarinouofm]

the fifth picture down from the top that u posted tells the whole story of how this thing was made and the technology used..

[pronk]

the fifth picture down from the top that u posted tells the whole story of how this thing was made and the technology used..

It does?

I will post better images tomorrow.

[kmarinouofm]

It does?

I will post better images tomorrow.

meaning that it isn't old.. its from this century .. i would bet my life on it..

[mmike032]

no way that was hand painted in 1730.
it was printed, just look at the letters,
compare the same letters in different words, they're exaclty the same.

paper doesnt have any fading , discoloration?

[pronk]

meaning that it isn't old.. its from this century .. i would bet my life on it..

We will see Kmarinouofm, let the experts from London and New York decide what it is. No disrespect here, but no self respected antique expert can make such a bold statement over few digital images. That's not how it's done. There are many different methods on how to date an old article, and i will use them all. Including the black lite.

[THE PROFIT]

You like it? I can usually do 2-3 a month. I've got another one about ready. You got a real deal at $12! I sell them for $20.

[pronk]

no way that was hand painted in 1730.
it was printed, just look at the letters,
compare the same letters in different words, they're exaclty the same.

paper doesnt have any fading , discoloration?

Yes, look at the 4th picture (Novus Orbis) and try to find two simular letters.

And yes again- paper has a lot of fading and stains and the quality of paper is very different from 19 and 20th Century's paper. It's all wrinkled.

[Deuce]

This isn't even worth the 12 dollars spent. It's a copy generated in 1996.

[pronk]

This isn't even worth the 12 dollars spent. It's a copy generated in 1996.

Yes indeed.