Is this entraptment?

[GiveMeaBJ]

When I was 17 and a senior in high school (3 years ago about) I was with about 10 guys and we went to a high school hockey game and were drinking in the parking lot across the street. I got their late and maybe had 4 beers, I was fine. We walk across the street and go in. Once we hit the doors two of my friends got stopped behind me, I turned around and the cop told me to come over there as well. They said we can't go into the game we started arguing and saying we didn't do anything. They pulled us outside and said we had to leave the property. We figured they knew we were drinking so I began to call for a ride. They said I couldn't call for a ride and I had to leave the property. Now it was a good mile walk to get off of what is considered the property and I had a sprained ankle and was limping around so I wasn't about to walk it.

So I told him I didn't drive and I needed a ride, he said thats not his problem and I need to leave. So me and my two friends begin walking across the street. We are talking about what to do and we decide that if we leave they will pull us over and we would be in deep shit. So we go to stand by the car and call my friend to come pick up us and my car. About 3 minutes passed and the two cops start walking over yellling "OFF THE PROPERTY! OFF! NOW!" So we get into my car. We are sitting in the car, I am arguing that I don't want to start it or move it and at this point the cops are watching from about 20 yards away. We sat for about 5 minutes waiting and debating what to do. I finally say, **** it I'll pull into that other parking lot and have my friend take my car because they might try to pull us over. So I back out about 2 feet and there it is. They start running at the car yelling to stop. I do.

We denied it for a good 20 minutes. They asked us everything under the sun, why does it smell like alcohol? Whos beer cans are in the woods? Why are they still cold? and about 50 times they asked us if we drank or not. Eventually, I got sick of this and couldn't take it any longer so I finally tell him, "I had one beer sir, I am sorry." Then my other friend also admits to drinking. My other friend in the backseat still denies it. What the ****? That ain't how it works but thats a whole other story.

Long story short they brought down another cop car threw me in handcuffs and took me to the station where they filed some paperwork. No one else got handcuffed and when the new cop (some young tough guy wannabe) got there he was a real dick. He had me up against the car and kicked me right in my ankle. Well not really kicked, but lightly kicked to get me to spread my legs out more. At this point I got pissed because he kicked my sprained ankle because I started being a dickhead back.

All that happened was I got suspended for 3 weeks from school, had to go to drug counseling, and when I went to "court" they said I had to write a one page essay. It was a big joke.

However, the one thing that pissed me off is when they finally showed me the police report it turns out one of the bullshit security guards snitched on us. Why would a 19 year old security guard snitch on a kid for drinking. He also lied in the police report. He said I began directing traffic as we were crossing the street. The closest thing I did was wave to the guy to say thank you when he stopped and let us cross.

Also, some other bullshit. When I got back to school Monday (this happened on Friday) the principal told me I couldn't drive home because I still might be drunk. I then found out they don't give sobriety tests to minors had I known this I would have laid down in my car and said no until they left.

But is this entraptment? If it isn't then what is?

[jjgold]

Here weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee go!!!!!!

[SBR_John]

But is this entraptment? If it isn't then what is?

Its just America and what happens when you have an arrest hungry state.

[topgame85]

Should have just got off the property and came back after, when the cops give you an out fcking take it you dunce! I have been offered an out by a cop once and arrested like 5 times that one time I as they say in this industry "RUN don't walk" fck a sprained ankle for getting locked up

[Boner_18]

Entrapment is a very narrow defense to a crime where the government (a cop) "unfairly tempts" a defendant into committing a crime. This here is not entrapment.

What is this?

Looks like you getting busted for underage drinking to me.

[fsugolf]

tl;dr

[pavyracer]

If the law says you have to be 21 to drink you obey it all go to jail and learn the hard way. Some genius decided that you can join the army at 18 and be able to fire guns at people to kill them or own a gun at 16 and fire at animals or drive a high powered vehicle at 16 but you have to wait until 21 to have a glass of beer. It's a stupid law but you have to obey it.

[GiveMeaBJ]

Entrapment is a very narrow defense to a crime where the government (a cop) "unfairly tempts" a defendant into committing a crime. This here is not entrapment.

What is this?

Looks like you getting busted for underage drinking to me.

Ok, but there was no way for them to prove it. They needed my admission to get that. Now when I say, "sir I am calling for a ride." and he says "No, you have to get in your car and leave" then I get in my car and he tries to get me with a DUI thats not entrapment?

[obamaismyuncle]

If the law says you have to be 21 to drink you obey it all go to jail and learn the hard way. Some genius decided that you can join the army at 18 and be able to fire guns at people to kill them or own a gun at 16 and fire at animals or drive a high powered vehicle at 16 but you have to wait until 21 to have a glass of beer. It's a stupid law but you have to obey it.

People also need to have a license to drive, but don't need a license to have a kid.

[spursfan]

damn

[teaserpleaser]

tltr gl

[ZetaPsi808]

very interesting story

[milwaukee mike]

why do you still care about something that happened 3 years ago?
in wisconsin if you are caught driving under 21 with any alcohol at all your license gets suspended immediately. so relatively speaking it appears you were lucky.

perhaps you should be spending more time learning the difference between "their" and "there" and less time worrying about how dumb you were 3 years ago.

[GiveMeaBJ]

I know the difference between their and there. I just don't know why it is nessecary to proof read my posts on a gambling forum.

perhaps you should be spending more time worrying about what your going to eat for dinner then worrying about how dumb my grammer be yo

[Boner_18]

Ok, but there was no way for them to prove it. They needed my admission to get that. Now when I say, "sir I am calling for a ride." and he says "No, you have to get in your car and leave" then I get in my car and he tries to get me with a DUI thats not entrapment?

Entrapment is so narrow that it doesn't really even exist. First of all, you could have walked across the street. You could have refused to leave the property, you could have walked and called at the same time, there are a thousand things you could have done that didn't involve driving drunk. Now if he said "you have to get into your car.." that is evidence that he unfairly tempted you to commit the crime... but not overwhelming evidence.

Another aspect of entrapment is predisposition to commit the crime anyway. Like if a drug dealer asks a person "are you a cop" and the cop replies "no" and the drug dealer sells, this is not entrapment, the dealer was predisposed to commit the crime regardless of the cop's answer. I realize that commission of the crime proves the predisposition and vice-versa but thus is the state of the law.

Finally, as for your underage drinking, the police hardly need a confession to prove this. Criminals are convicted every day without confessions.

[GiveMeaBJ]

why do you still care about something that happened 3 years ago?
in wisconsin if you are caught driving under 21 with any alcohol at all your license gets suspended immediately. so relatively speaking it appears you were lucky.

perhaps you should be spending more time learning the difference between "their" and "there" and less time worrying about how dumb you were 3 years ago.

Also I used the words 5 times combined in this thread. I went 4-1 with using it correctly. If 80% isn't good enough for you I don't know what their is to do about it.





I know I used it wrong. It is a joke.

[GiveMeaBJ]

Entrapment is so narrow that it doesn't really even exist. First of all, you could have walked across the street. You could have refused to leave the property, you could have walked and called at the same time, there are a thousand things you could have done that didn't involve driving drunk. Now if he said "you have to get into your car.." that is evidence that he unfairly tempted you to commit the crime... but not overwhelming evidence.

Another aspect of entrapment is predisposition to commit the crime anyway. Like if a drug dealer asks a person "are you a cop" and the cop replies "no" and the drug dealer sells, this is not entrapment, the dealer was predisposed to commit the crime regardless of the cop's answer. I realize that commission of the crime proves the predisposition and vice-versa but thus is the state of the law.

Finally, as for your underage drinking, the police hardly need a confession to prove this. Criminals are convicted every day without confessions.

Very good post. Only thing I disagree with is the last part. How could they have possibly found me guilty without a confession. They had one witness who was atleast a football field away. They don't give sobriety tests to minors. There was evidence in the woods but none of it was mine.

[GiveMeaBJ]

Also is it entraptment or entrapment?

[pavyracer]

Also is it entraptment or entrapment?

You will find out when you get back the SAT results and realize you can't go to college.

[GiveMeaBJ]

You will find out when you get back the SAT results and realize you can't go to college.

I'm in college.

[topgame85]

HAHA cops do not need a confession, maybe sitting in jail will do you some good let you hear stories from old timers you will learn but takes time

[GiveMeaBJ]

Very good post. Only thing I disagree with is the last part. How could they have possibly found me guilty without a confession. They had one witness who was atleast a football field away. They don't give sobriety tests to minors. There was evidence in the woods but none of it was mine.

HAHA cops do not need a confession, maybe sitting in jail will do you some good let you hear stories from old timers you will learn but takes time

[GiveMeaBJ]

You will find out when you get back the SAT results and realize you can't go to college.

I applied to three colleges. Willy P, Monmouth, and Bridgeport and got accpeted to all. Not exactly setting the bar high but who cares.

[DOMINATER]

You were 17 its not part of personal record forget it throw it away. something like that happened to me but i was 25 , to make a long story short the cop told me i could not cross the street i told him i had to my car was parked accross the street, he pulled out his nightstick i kicked his ass and three other cops there were about ten there, they beat the shit out of me for about 3 hours, finally they fiqured out who i was , i was going on the force that following week, i told the chief to tear up my paperwork, i was not going to work for his nazi's . It all worked out for the good , although at that time i thought i ruined my life. B.J YOU BROUGHT THAT STORY UP. try to take that out of your memory those things are not good to carry around, the security cop that was 17 was playing his role in life you just happened to meet him

[bruceBRUCEbruce]

entrapment. lol. is your google broken?

[ngates815]

Why does it seem like every day at noon you're on here then leave at 1...then come back at 3ish?

[ngates815]

You were 17 its not part of personal record forget it throw it away. something like that happened to me but i was 25 , to make a long story short the cop told me i could not cross the street i told him i had to my car was parked accross the street, he pulled out his nightstick i kicked his ass and three other cops there were about ten there, they beat the shit out of me for about 3 hours, finally they fiqured out who i was , i was going on the force that following week, i told the chief to tear up my paperwork, i was not going to work for his nazi's . It all worked out for the good , although at that time i thought i ruined my life. B.J YOU BROUGHT THAT STORY UP. try to take that out of your memory those things are not good to carry around, the security cop that was 17 was playing his role in life you just happened to meet him

You jersey kids can't tell a good story if your life depended on it.

[Boner_18]

Sure sure, you were not convicted of any crime. But rest assured they could have convicted you of one. They could have collected DNA samples from the cans. They could have made one of your friends dime on you. They could have replayed videos of your uncooperative behavior. They could have traced the cans back to the sales source and through the chain of delivery. Or, they could have simply testified that you were exhibiting behavior and characteristics of a youth that had consumed alcohol (remember we are not talking about a BAC here, simply any booze). A jury is going to believe a season veteran (hint: they always are) against a punk kid hanging in parking lot any day.

I'm not saying they would ever do this, it is much more cost effective to have you complete a minor's first offender program as you did. Just saying it is possible and happens all the time.

[topgame85]

Anyone who doesn't believe the cops can do just about anything they want is ignorant police kill people on duty for no reason and walk, take bribes and gifts to let some people off and straight up lie to get convictions against minorities or people who don't "show them respect". Judges don't believe citizens they believe cops, a jury trial they need some evidence to sway the idiots in the box but not much and in a judge trial for minor infractions conviction rates are astronomical. Your only chance is to avoid police altogether or kiss there ass otherwise you will see many nights in jail and many ass woopings from the boys in blue

[GiveMeaBJ]

Why does it seem like every day at noon you're on here then leave at 1...then come back at 3ish?

Because that is when your on.

http://forum.sbrforum.com/ncaa-basketball-handicapping/360977-bjs-march-madness-ncaa-thread.html

Explain the posts at 9:50 and 11:29.

[DOMINATER]

b.j i love that point about spelling these ass holes have nothing to talk about except your grammer, you think they would be more interested in the story, pal im the king of fuking up with this keyboard of course you know the difference but your trying to push the message out of this keyboard give me a pen lol

[Powderguy]

Why does it seem like every day at noon you're on here then leave at 1...then come back at 3ish?

That post doesn't even make ****ing sense. And he posted here @ 1pm, and it's almost 2 already and he didn't leave.

[GiveMeaBJ]

Why does it seem like every day at noon you're on here then leave at 1...then come back at 3ish?

Also because I have class Tuesday and Friday from 1:10-2:25

[DOMINATER]

here comes all the investigaters, just be glad hes here this forum is boring without certain guys and you will be driving them out,

[ngates815]

Because that is when your on.

http://forum.sbrforum.com/ncaa-basketball-handicapping/360977-bjs-march-madness-ncaa-thread.html

Explain the posts at 9:50 and 11:29.