Is betphoenix live blackjack rigged ???

[MastaB]

The reason i ask is because after they shuffle and put the cards in the card dispenser, the dealer always puts the cards right over the camera and pushes the cards down/spreads them out. Again, this is right over the camera built into the table.

With even as little as a tiny fraction of an inch exposed to the camera, the camera can read each card if a small water mark or barcode or anything is on the edge of the card. If they are doing this they can basically pick and choose what hands they want to win or loose, or have the option to sway the odds in their favor when someone takes a big shot at them.

Anybody play there?

[MastaB]

nobody plays the live blackjack? its a shit load of fun, but it makes me nervous becasue sometimes someone will hit when the dealers is showing like a 6 or something and we have a 19. I dont know who is hitting. It would be nice if they showed how many guys were at the table and who was hitting, splitting etc. Because if they dont, they can manipulate it.

[Vesuvius]

Smart people don't play online casinos.

[Powderguy]

Do the dealers show boobies since it's live? LOL, but no I have never played the live blackjack.

[RobbReport]

it's not actually live...

[PureGuava]

I've done it a few times, online casinos are stupid none the less tho.

I think it was live because I had espn on my tv and they were watching the same thing on their tv.

[MastaB]

Do the dealers show boobies since it's live? LOL, but no I have never played the live blackjack.

Most are hot, they dont show any nipple.

[MastaB]

it's not actually live...

yes it is live, like guava said, they have 2 tvs on in the background. Live TV.

thats not the part im concerned about

[pimike]

Yes its rigged. Played 7 hands of Bacarrat all on player all Banks won. Then when I went to bet the max on player the 8th hand it didn't take my bet.

And guess what PLAYER WON!

[MastaB]

Yes its rigged. Played 7 hands of Bacarrat all on player all Banks won. Then when I went to bet the max on player the 8th hand it didn't take my bet.

And guess what PLAYER WON!

I never played the baccarat. Do they do they have a similar camera set up? wow they voided your bet? how?

[Glitch]

i dont think it is fixed- ive gone on streaks of winning like 5 hands in a row. and it is live- when you tip them they wave to you.

i think they are most likely aware of some deck arrangement for example when they get to a certain point- they'll count on players chasing and doubling their bet on the next hand and stuff like that. plus ive found that the players hands seem better around X:03-x:12 (time) when its right after a dealer change from a dealer thats been burning people.....my guess is so people think they just had bad luck with that dealer and they stick around for a few more hands.

about baccarat- that is your fault if you lose- it comes how it comes and you choose whether to bet player or bank. online i definitely lean bank but it IS messed up when it hits that many times in a row- if you had been on all banks then you woulda cleaned up- everyone sees the same roulette spins regardless of their bet, same BJ hands, same baccarat hands....baccarat and roulette you actually have control over what you wanna bet on hits.

that said- betphoenix = theives and beyotches and im not a fan and most likely wont play there again unless i have a really good reason. my skirmish with them is too much to explain. i wish someone else had live dealers

[pimike]

i dont think it is fixed- ive gone on streaks of winning like 5 hands in a row. and it is live- when you tip them they wave to you.

i think they are most likely aware of some deck arrangement for example when they get to a certain point- they'll count on players chasing and doubling their bet on the next hand and stuff like that. plus ive found that the players hands seem better around X:03-x:12 (time) when its right after a dealer change from a dealer thats been burning people.....my guess is so people think they just had bad luck with that dealer and they stick around for a few more hands.

about baccarat- that is your fault if you lose- it comes how it comes and you choose whether to bet player or bank. online i definitely lean bank but it IS messed up when it hits that many times in a row- if you had been on all banks then you woulda cleaned up- everyone sees the same roulette spins regardless of their bet, same BJ hands, same baccarat hands....baccarat and roulette you actually have control over what you wanna bet on hits.

that said- betphoenix = theives and beyotches and im not a fan and most likely wont play there again unless i have a really good reason. my skirmish with them is too much to explain. i wish someone else had live dealers

Thanks for sharing. However when player has 8 two times and bank pulls a 9 out each time you have to wonder.

[chase1]

nobody plays the live blackjack? its a shit load of fun, but it makes me nervous becasue sometimes someone will hit when the dealers is showing like a 6 or something and we have a 19. I dont know who is hitting. It would be nice if they showed how many guys were at the table and who was hitting, splitting etc. Because if they dont, they can manipulate it.

How do they deal your hand to you personally? How does it work if there is more than just you at the table? Say you want to hit a 16 against a dealer face card showing and someone else playing the same hand wants to stay. How does it work if your playing the same hand? I guess I'm confused as to how it is catered to just yourself.
Interested in live blackjack if it is fair.

[tltaylor89]

I think they turn the reader off when they go to shuffle .

[Kav]

i've cleaned up from them on the blackjack and baccarat in the past. however i would be lying if i didnt say they have got me a number of times also. overall i dont think its rigged, but you never know when your behind a comptuer screen so...

[Glitch]

chase- everyone gets the same hand. so if you have 14 and a dealers showing a 6- you can stand personally, hoping they bust out (because they have to hit on 16 and lower) but if the deck is stacked and theres a card in between you and their 21-making 5- they flip that over like someone asked for a hit- whether it applies to you or not- you still see it...

[JerseyShop101]

chase- everyone gets the same hand. so if you have 14 and a dealers showing a 6- you can stand personally, hoping they bust out (because they have to hit on 16 and lower) but if the deck is stacked and theres a card in between you and their 21-making 5- they flip that over like someone asked for a hit- whether it applies to you or not- you still see it...

I played blackjack at WagerChief (which uses the same live blackjack as Betphoenix, of course), and this has actually helped me a couple of times. I always stay on 12-16 against a dealer 6, well someone went away from basic strategy and took a hit, in which the card would of put the dealer on a made hand, but instead the dealer winds up busting. At first I'm like that is bs, until I see that I would of lost, but instead I won and am getting paid. Just like in any brick and mortar casino.

[dtp]

seems rigged

[chase1]

I see how it works now. Thanks for explaining. The live blackjack seems like it would be fair. You wouldn't think they would need to resort to cheating because many many people will lose their money anyway. The casino does still holds the edge afterall. No sense in trying to tweak stuff to get money out of us faster.

[MastaB]

are there any betphoenix reps on the this forum? or that post elsewhere?

[BadNina]

I think there is one here, MastaB. I want to say his name is Richard. I remember him being around when they had the $25 Christmas Day parlay.

[ucbearcats1027]

i think its rigged

[MastaB]

I think there is one here, MastaB. I want to say his name is Richard. I remember him being around when they had the $25 Christmas Day parlay.

thanks. let me know if you find anymore info.

[MastaB]

I played blackjack at WagerChief (which uses the same live blackjack as Betphoenix, of course), and this has actually helped me a couple of times. I always stay on 12-16 against a dealer 6, well someone went away from basic strategy and took a hit, in which the card would of put the dealer on a made hand, but instead the dealer winds up busting. At first I'm like that is bs, until I see that I would of lost, but instead I won and am getting paid. Just like in any brick and mortar casino.

You are to gullible. Im sure they let it ride most of the time, but if they are reading the card they have the option of turning the card int ehir favor whenever they want.

I guess my real question is why do they always put the card holder right over the camera before starting a new deck? There must be a reason because they do it every single time. After that question gets answered we can know how to proceed.

[montyh]

yes

all that blackjack is rigged.

[montyh]

i like online casinos they take it all

[JerseyShop101]

I played blackjack at WagerChief (which uses the same live blackjack as Betphoenix, of course), and this has actually helped me a couple of times. I always stay on 12-16 against a dealer 6, well someone went away from basic strategy and took a hit, in which the card would of put the dealer on a made hand, but instead the dealer winds up busting. At first I'm like that is bs, until I see that I would of lost, but instead I won and am getting paid. Just like in any brick and mortar casino.

You are to gullible. Im sure they let it ride most of the time, but if they are reading the card they have the option of turning the card int ehir favor whenever they want.

I guess my real question is why do they always put the card holder right over the camera before starting a new deck? There must be a reason because they do it every single time. After that question gets answered we can know how to proceed.

Gullible? Your saying they already know the cards before turning them over. I don't think they just let me win that hand out of the goodness of their heart, lol. There is no reason for them to cheat with this as the House edge is already there.

I would think they put the card holder over the camera to ensure that the cards are not read during the shuffling. Wouldn't that make sense? Even if Richard or a rep did explain this here, you most likely wouldn't believe it anyway. Just like the other conspiracy theories out there, I don't think this one has any merit either.

[MastaB]

Gullible? Your saying they already know the cards before turning them over. I don't think they just let me win that hand out of the goodness of their heart, lol. There is no reason for them to cheat with this as the House edge is already there. I would think they put the card holder over the camera to ensure that the cards are not read during the shuffling. Wouldn't that make sense? Even if Richard or a rep did explain this here, you most likely wouldn't believe it anyway. Just like the other conspiracy theories out there, I don't think this one has any merit either.

#1 - I dont think they do either, if they won every hand it would be very suspicious and nobody would play there. maybe you should reread my posts, im just concerned they can turn the game in their favor whenever they want. And of course there is a reason to cheat...its called money.

#2 They are not blocking the camera! they are putting the card directly over the reader prior to dealing a single card out of the deck. again reread my post.

Ignorance is bliss!

[JerseyShop101]

#1 - I dont think they do either, if they won every hand it would be very suspicious and nobody would play there. maybe you should reread my posts, im just concerned they can turn the game in their favor whenever they want. And of course there is a reason to cheat...its called money.

#2 They are not blocking the camera! they are putting the card directly over the reader prior to dealing a single card out of the deck. again reread my post.

Ignorance is bliss!

So is losing your azz to blackjack to a game you don't trust,

Only kidding, just wait for a rep response.

[iceminers26]

No but the casino at this site is the most unethical, rigged shit I have ever seen, far worse than any casino where you are playing with real money

[dollarbill]

I don't believe anything is rigged. If someone does try to fix anything they will get caught eventually.

Gambling on anything is a game of chance and the house wins in the end.

If this were not true I doubt we would see as many casino's/tracks/lotteries and offshore books as we do.

Think real hard about this!

[sweetlou]

Its a good question.. my only thing is how do you know how many people are playing and if people are really hitting.. or just taking the next cards out of the deck... so the dealer makes a hand or doesnt bust.. that is odd that they put it right over the camera.. they have to know what is coming..

[tltaylor89]

I notice sometimes people would hit on 17 and the dealer wold get a 5 to make 21 everytime I stopped playing.

[sweetlou]

I just ****ed up there cards hit a 17 w $5 out there bet $100 5 hands in a row and won them all the next 5 hands.. Lol

[MastaB]

I just ****ed up there cards hit a 17 w $5 out there bet $100 5 hands in a row and won them all the next 5 hands.. Lol