Butler to Mavs, Wiz get Howard

whatsgood5 · 02-13-10, 08:29 PM

Wow, huge trade here. Guess it means the Knicks won't be getting T-mac in a three team trade with the Wiz like rumored earlier.

tltaylor89 · 02-13-10, 08:30 PM

Fade the Mavericks

moses millsap · 02-13-10, 09:04 PM

good trade for the mavs; think caron will be huge for them

Tree Rollins · 02-13-10, 09:10 PM

Caron gives the Mavs another player who can easily create his own shots, especially late in the game. He should fit in well, Jason Kidd will make sure of that.

whatsgood5 · 02-13-10, 09:13 PM

Originally posted by moses millsap

good trade for the mavs; think caron will be huge for them

I do as well. Tough losing Josh Howard, but I still think they won this trade.

Tree Rollins · 02-13-10, 09:17 PM

Originally posted by whatsgood5

I do as well. Tough losing Josh Howard, but I still think they won this trade.

Howard hasn't been the same these last couple years. He seems to always be injured and definitely isn't the defensive stopper he once was. I think Butler is a big upgrade.

Also, how about adding Haywood down low, especially on the defensive end. He's having a career year in Washington.

mkasad23 · 02-14-10, 01:08 AM

wow incredible trade for the mavs

mkasad23 · 02-14-10, 01:09 AM

haywood can be a very good big man butler puts up points and stevenson puts up 3s

azn624 · 02-14-10, 01:13 AM

Mavs got a realy good team now imo, they just need good chemistry

rm18 · 02-14-10, 01:13 AM

Haywood is a huge addition, guy has been on the same team for 10 years for a reason is one of the best defensive players in the league, and having a big year scoring and rebounding as well this year.

WonTooManyBets · 02-14-10, 01:15 AM

Wash

Tree Rollins · 02-14-10, 01:16 AM

Salary dump deal for washington. Competitive deal for Mavs. Mavs could be dangerous in the playoffs.

williams22 · 02-14-10, 01:32 AM

Very nice deal here for the Mavs. Having Haywood should help them big time against big teams like LA and Denver.

Stevenson is a non-factor if anyone has seen him play this year. Too plagued by injuries right now to even be the mediocre 3-point shooter he once was.

THEGREAT30 · 02-14-10, 01:36 AM

Upgrades most definitely

2daBank · 02-14-10, 01:38 AM

really helps the mavs...butler a big time upgrade over howards do nothing ass

maersksealand · 02-14-10, 01:38 AM

Originally posted by azn624

Mavs got a realy good team now imo, they just need good chemistry

I agree...they will be a very good team.

talnted · 02-14-10, 01:44 AM

wizards got shafted. mavs capitalized

williams22 · 02-14-10, 01:45 AM

Originally posted by talnted

wizards got shafted. mavs capitalized

Wizards weren't making this trade for talent. They've reached the point where they have to scrap everything and rebuild. This trade was made to clear some cap.

Tree Rollins · 02-14-10, 01:51 AM

Originally posted by williams22

Very nice deal here for the Mavs. Having Haywood should help them big time against big teams like LA and Denver.

Stevenson is a non-factor if anyone has seen him play this year. Too plagued by injuries right now to even be the mediocre 3-point shooter he once was.

Exactly. Haywood almost specifically helps in a playoff matchup against the Lakers. and yes, stevenson is finished.

chrisharvard01 · 02-14-10, 01:51 AM

It may not be as bad as it seems for WASH... although if I have haywood I'm not trading him. I have seen his abilites live and in color when he was in college. He just needs another year or two to adjust... f_ucking stupid.

Maybe it will work out

Tree Rollins · 02-14-10, 01:51 AM

Originally posted by talnted

wizards got shafted. mavs capitalized

Wizards got exactly want they wanted. cap space and the tools to rebuild.

williams22 · 02-14-10, 01:56 AM

I'm waiting to see if this trade forces the Lakers to get more aggressive in the trade market, specifically for a PG. Once the Mavs build some chemistry they could be quite dangerous.

chrisharvard01 · 02-14-10, 01:59 AM

hey whats up bro? Season treating ya good?

I doubt the LAL are trading anyone... why should they? They seem to be an all star f_ucking team.

Who are they going to trade? Fisher?

onlooker · 02-14-10, 02:01 AM

Originally posted by williams22

I'm waiting to see if this trade forces the Lakers to get more aggressive in the trade market, specifically for a PG. Once the Mavs build some chemistry they could be quite dangerous.

Don't the Lakers want to get Hinrich? Maybe with the performance of Brown in the dunk contest, they will push him out of LA for a deal.

williams22 · 02-14-10, 02:02 AM

Originally posted by chrisharvard01

hey whats up bro? Season treating ya good?

I doubt the LAL are trading anyone... why should they? They seem to be an all star f_ucking team.

Who are they going to trade? Fisher?

They need a replacement for Fisher, or at least a solid backup. Have you seen him play this year? He's washed up as can be. Hinrich would be a nice pickup and would be a great defensive boost.

Tree Rollins · 02-14-10, 02:02 AM

Originally posted by williams22

I'm waiting to see if this trade forces the Lakers to get more aggressive in the trade market, specifically for a PG. Once the Mavs build some chemistry they could be quite dangerous.

A few weeks ago there was a lot speculation that the Raptors were going to trade Bosh for Andrew Bynum. Bosh's contract expires after the season and the raptors will definitely lose him. Bynum at least gives them something in return. He can be a franchise center and is only 23 or so years old. Tons of potential.
The lakers would be taking a chance of losing out if Bosh left at the end of the season but hopefully he would be attracted by the potential of LA's team.
Haven't heard anything more about this recently.

williams22 · 02-14-10, 02:03 AM

Originally posted by onlòóker

Don't the Lakers want to get Hinrich? Maybe with the performance of Brown in the dunk contest, they will push him out of LA for a deal.

Haha yeah Shannon Brown is a joke, but the longer LA thinks he's for real the better for all the other contenders

I think he scored a combined 8 points in two games against Cleveland.

Tree Rollins · 02-14-10, 02:03 AM

Originally posted by onlòóker

Don't the Lakers want to get Hinrich? Maybe with the performance of Brown in the dunk contest, they will push him out of LA for a deal.

There were rumors of the Lakers picking up Hinrich. It's doubtful though b/c it's probably not worth it to pick up the contract for LA.

williams22 · 02-14-10, 02:06 AM

Originally posted by Tree Rollins

A few weeks ago there was a lot speculation that the Raptors were going to trade Bosh for Andrew Bynum. Bosh's contract expires after the season and the raptors will definitely lose him. Bynum at least gives them something in return. He can be a franchise center and is only 23 or so years old. Tons of potential.
The lakers would be taking a chance of losing out if Bosh left at the end of the season but hopefully he would be attracted by the potential of LA's team.
Haven't heard anything more about this recently.

One media insider told me, "Whoever broke that story was being completely irresponsible." Apparently there are a lot of difficulties with Bynum's contract that would make that trade basically impossible.

That's not where the Lakers need help anyways. With Bynum, Gasol, and Odom they are solid up front, if they ever get the ball that is. They need help at the PG spot and their bench isn't nearly as deep as they originally thought. Show me one Laker fan who doesn't cringe when they see Vujacic come in.

Tree Rollins · 02-14-10, 02:09 AM

Originally posted by williams22

One media insider told me, "Whoever broke that story was being completely irresponsible." Apparently there are a lot of difficulties with Bynum's contract that would make that trade basically impossible.

That's not where the Lakers need help anyways. With Bynum, Gasol, and Odom they are solid up front, if they ever get the ball that is. They need help at the PG spot and their bench isn't nearly as deep as they originally thought. Show me one Laker fan who doesn't cringe when they see Vujacic come in.

They are solid up front, but Bynum is a malcontent and is the only person on the team who is outwardly unhappy with his role. Also, i heard different about that trade rumor. Chad Ford and Bill Simmons from espn.com both said that this rumor was "Very serious" and both seemed to think it might actually happen.

The lakers do need help at PG. That's their only weak position. Vujacic and Walton are two terrible terrible contracts they're trying to dump. good luck with that though.

chrisharvard01 · 02-14-10, 02:15 AM

Originally posted by williams22

One media insider told me, "Whoever broke that story was being completely irresponsible." Apparently there are a lot of difficulties with Bynum's contract that would make that trade basically impossible.

That's not where the Lakers need help anyways. With Bynum, Gasol, and Odom they are solid up front, if they ever get the ball that is. They need help at the PG spot and their bench isn't nearly as deep as they originally thought. Show me one Laker fan who doesn't cringe when they see Vujacic come in.

Truth.

easyaxess · 02-14-10, 02:38 AM

Thats great for the Mavs

Jak · 02-14-10, 03:28 AM

Interesting trade but Im not sure if it will end well for the mavs though

cecbo · 02-14-10, 10:36 AM

The Mav's ship was sinking, so they needed something like this to try make it somewhat competitive. They now have two serviceable big men and an all-around offensive and defensive guy in Butler. Too bad they didn't try to get this done earlier in the season.