Should SBR allow a points black market?

[pavyracer]

The reason why SBR doesn't care about stiffing is because it helps their bottom line. Every point stiffed is a point write off from SBR accounting books that does not have to be claimed by posters for prizes. In fact it is in their best interest to let stiffing flourish since posters already figured out casino is rigged.

[Jonah]

Point Stiffs should be banned from all SBR promotions and have milestone bonuses confiscated until they pay their debt

Easy there, don't make it SBR's problem. And is this coming from the guy that was bragging about pulling an Ebay ipod stunt in this thread?

[williams22]

Why don't we start a thread (Sticky) where we can submit a member who is a stiff. Then when someone wants to loan some points they can check the thread to see if the poster is trustworthy.

I operate a Credit Report in the SBR Points subforum that reports anyone who has any history taking loans, good or bad. The problem is that many people fail to check it before making a loan decision, but that is quickly changing. I also encourage anyone who wants to to copy my signature as their own. I always update it with the latest known stiffs.

[Glitch]

there already is an accountability and trustworthiness thread- williams22 puts out a regular credit report. that doesnt solve the problem of first-time loans.

the lenders are aware of the inherent risk and there are a lot more people who are paying the loans back than who are defaulting on their agreements.

we are all adults and we all understand that how we lend, bet and give our points is at our discretion and at our own risk.

we should have a system where if 30 people vote you on the stiff list- your IP/account is ineligable to receive points for 60 days. This would help prove that theres more good guys than bad guys on here. and it would provide motivation for a returning stiff to want to do the right thing.

but really- i think its fine with no regulation. start making people get co-signers, credit checks and/or collateral

[Dunder]

Why don't we start a thread (Sticky) where we can submit a member who is a stiff. Then when someone wants to loan some points they can check the thread to see if the poster is trustworthy.

Things are already way more advanced than that. In the points forum we have a credit report which is available to everyone.

[1st and Ten]

Don't touch it Johnny

[MJT1212]

Good idea.

[3PtShooter]

they shoot horses dont they

[Dark Horse]

The reason why SBR doesn't care about stiffing is because it helps their bottom line. Every point stiffed is a point write off from SBR accounting books that does not have to be claimed by posters for prizes. In fact it is in their best interest to let stiffing flourish since posters already figured out casino is rigged.

Keeping everybody honest would be a service to the posting community. It would benefit the forum, but beyond that there would be no compensation to SBR for the little extra effort.

It is no news that quantity and not quality is the goal here. A decision was made a long time ago to gravitate towards the lowest common denominator. To extend it to 'lie and steal at your heart's content, we don't give a f*ck' is just another step down that murky path. SBR's integrity is degrading at a slow but steady pace. They won't be able to gain it back. But for as long as it lasts, they don't care.

[pavyracer]

Replace The Bears with Point Stiffs when you see this video:

[Glitch]

if you wanna crown whatsgood5 then crown his ass. but he is who we thought he was- and we let him off the hook

[StraitShooter]

video of point stiff at work

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTA3qGQouaU

[poochiecollins]

The reason why SBR doesn't care about stiffing is because it helps their bottom line. Every point stiffed is a point write off from SBR accounting books that does not have to be claimed by posters for prizes. In fact it is in their best interest to let stiffing flourish since posters already figured out casino is rigged.

What? It is a mere transfer of points, no?

[poochiecollins]

getting an A+ credit rating can be deceiving. i know 4 posters that took out loans, kept repaying, repayingg, like 20 loans total. they gained trust then BAM, turned sour and took out massive loan, lost and completely abandoned sbr account this is like ebay. i spent 4 years building up 100%, 893 postive feedback. i then sold a lot of 300 memory foam filled fake signature by brett favre for $13,000 and sent the buyer an empty box and then abandoeded my paypal and ebay account.

You didn't get sued?

[poochiecollins]

I see a lot of guys calling guys stiffs. Was/is it a good idea to allow a market for points to flourish?

Here's my take on the subject: I like the idea of SBR providing a loan tool for players to use where there's a slight transfer percentage to SBR and violators get their Internet address banned, and to otherwise allow black market business, BUT black market violators who are bad for SBR business should be banned. Banning someone over some small infraction may hurt the long term revenue of SBR, but if a lot of posters have the perception that someone's a douchebag that shouldn't be part of the community, but SBR staff doesn't give a shit, that bad will created has a good chance of hurting SBR long term. Careful not to shove your opinion that SBR doesn't need to share any responsibility down your customers' throat.

Bottom line: there's no due process with handling posters here that I know of, so if there are members who are not creating enough revenue for SBR to justify the long term bad will among the community they're creating, drop the ban hammer on them.

[pavyracer]

What? It is a mere transfer of points, no?

Let's say I have 3000 points. I loaned them all to posters. Then 2000 are not paid back from the stiffs. Now I have 1000 points. I can get only 8 pizzas instead of 24 pizzas. SBR saved 16 pizzas ($250). Now imagine a black market that flourishes on stiffs. It will be in SBR's best interest these stiffed points are not get paid back to save money from the bottom line. Then the stiffs are not prosecuted which encourages more stiffing.

[EaglesPhan36]

If you give a loan without collateral, you'll always get boned. Be like the sportsbooks, get their Driver's License # and a blood sample.

[SBR_John]

Good post poochiecollins.

but if a lot of posters have the perception that someone's a douchebag that shouldn't be part of the community, but SBR staff doesn't give a shit, that bad will created has a good chance of hurting SBR long term.

Probably true although not sure if it would have a material effect. For now we will let things take whatever course they will and look at it later.

[poochiecollins]

Let's say I have 3000 points. I loaned them all to posters. Then 2000 are not paid back from the stiffs. Now I have 1000 points. I can get only 8 pizzas instead of 24 pizzas. SBR saved 16 pizzas ($250). Now imagine a black market that flourishes on stiffs. It will be in SBR's best interest these stiffed points are not get paid back to save money from the bottom line. Then the stiffs are not prosecuted which encourages more stiffing.

Then the stiffs have 2000 points to spend.

[THEGREAT30]

Good idea, hopefully we can make it even bigger, like make an option for us to go head to head in video game contests

[poochiecollins]

Good post poochiecollins. Probably true although not sure if it would have a material effect. For now we will let things take whatever course they will and look at it later.

How would you know the difference? I would think it'd be fun to ban people everybody hates? Whatever, your business, bro.

[pavyracer]

Then the stiffs have 2000 points to spend.

No you lend 10 points each to 200 stiffs they will lose at the casino or book in 10 minutes. This is why they are stiffs. They can't win in gambling.