11th graders causing Arab-American controversy in Detroit...

[paco]

I agree (the cartoonist was from Denmark btw).
IIRC, however that incident brought Islamic Fundamentalists out on to the streets in huge numbers, claiming that their view (and that of Sharia Law) regarding blasphemy should override the national laws concerning freedom of speech in European countries.

Where do you stand on that Paco?

from what I last heard, that guy went into hiding. He should be hung in public IMO. All these people wonder why are these Islamic people going nuts for no reason? Maybe cuz they praised and laughed at that cartoonist pictures is a starting point. It's all funny until a bomb goes off and opens peoples eyes

[Deuce]

from what I last heard, that guy went into hiding. He should be hung in public IMO. All these people wonder why are these Islamic people going nuts for no reason? Maybe cuz they praised and laughed at that cartoonist pictures is a starting point. It's all funny until a bomb goes off and opens peoples eyes

The cartoon was made after the extremists destroyed NYC, not saying it was right but that is why he did it.

My point I am trying to stress is that the good people that are muslim suffer. They want equality and for people to leave them alone and for them to have what others have. There are good people out there obviously but countless attack after attack after attack you're going to look at them all the same eventually and it of course isn't fair.

This goes back to the inner city folk. They are looked down upon because murders/rapes/theft/arson all take place by the inner city uneducated folk, so now as a whole, they are all looked down upon. Of coruse good people reside there as well.

[Karayilan9]

Don't be tools of the media.

The reality is the biggest threat is not from some mad man in Afganistan or Saudi Arabia, its from the mad man living down the road. People go crazy about a few men living in a cave but don't have a problem with not being able to go to certain neighbourhoods in their city, with not being able to go out at night, with having to live in fear of local gangs, they get terrorised in their own areas but are more concerned about people most will never meet.

There are more than a million gang members in the US doing things worse than making some politically incorrect t-shirts. Kids will be kids, and those kids should respect were they are living but this isn't big or important news.

[Dunder]

from what I last heard, that guy went into hiding. He should be hung in public IMO. All these people wonder why are these Islamic people going nuts for no reason? Maybe cuz they praised and laughed at that cartoonist pictures is a starting point. It's all funny until a bomb goes off and opens peoples eyes

So you are not in favour of freedom of speech?

[JsmooveFTW]

Don't be tools of the media.

The reality is the biggest threat is not from some mad man in Afganistan or Saudi Arabia, its from the mad man living down the road. People go crazy about a few men living in a cave but don't have a problem with not being able to go to certain neighbourhoods in their city, with not being able to go out at night, with having to live in fear of local gangs, they get terrorised in their own areas but are more concerned about people most will never meet.

There are more than a million gang members in the US doing things worse than making some politically incorrect t-shirts. Kids will be kids, and those kids should respect were they are living but this isn't big or important news.

Well you were on the right path at least. The biggest threats are the fukks located around 1600 Pennsylvania avenue. That want you to hear things like how the Xmas day "bomber" proved new liberty-eating policies are working and preventing these government-conspired events to happen. As dale gribble says, that is the feces that's created when shame eats too much stupid. So when these kids conjure up these shirts, morons raise hell and ignore the real problems. Although you could say those same lazy-minded fukks are just as big of a problem since they're allowing it to happen without the slightest questioning of anything in their hollow skulls. But when these questions do get out there, they're labeled crazy by the same retarded fukks that vote Obama/McCain and have absolutely no idea what is really happening to this country.

[paco]

So you are not in favour of freedom of speech?

fvck, u trapped me. In a way i am, in a way i am not. Politically, yes, religiously , no

[1st and Ten]

Allah Akbar!

[Dunder]

fvck, u trapped me. In a way i am, in a way i am not. Politically, yes, religiously , no

I wasn´t looking to trap you, I wanted to know your views.

I think your answer is a fair one but it should not be the case that Muslims are allowed to damn other faiths (I am thinking particularly of Judaism) whilst expecting others to hold Islam in high esteem. Tolerance is not a one-way street.

[DrStale]

from what I last heard, that guy went into hiding. He should be hung in public IMO

Yeah, lets hang people for drawing cartoons we dont like. How bout we hang you instead?

[paco]

Yeah, lets hang people for drawing cartoons we dont like. How bout we hang you instead?

[1st and Ten]

Paco is that your daughter with a rat?

[paco]

Paco, is that your girl with a rat?

Thas my girl on her 2nd bday last year at chuck e cheese

[podunk]

can i buy one of these shirts?

[wal66]

Playing devil's advocate...............

Duece, is it at all plausible that these sweatshirts could have another meaning? Could they not mean that we (meaning this group of individuals) had nothing to do with what they (meaning the terrorist) did and we won't allow injustices and prejudices to keep us from moving forward?

What if the shirts had been made by just white kids? Would we automatically assume they were being traders to their country? Or might we have assumed that they meant they would not allow history to repeat itself on their watch?

I don't know what the true intent or meaning of the kids was. The article never explained what they were thinking yet people automatically assumed it meant they were disgracing an American tragedy. This is just another case of where racial or religeous bias runs amuck.

I am asking, is another scenerio plausible?

[JsmooveFTW]

You should also think about who benefits from this news story. Browse around and I'm sure you'll find this everywhere on the neo-con, zionist, pro-war blogs and forums. Whose agenda does it strengthen.. now is it still worth getting upset about if you don't care enough to oppose said agendas?

[topgame85]

How many muslims shed a tear on 9/11? how many christians are sickened by the site of dead "civillian" muslims on the streets- look at the numbers and proof stands as to what the religion of peace and understanding is in the world......... I am anti-extremist in any aspects, jew, christian, muslim whatever............. makes no difference to me....... the fact is many muslims may not be radicals yet do not think any of the attacks are "horrible" while most christians feel saddness and anger when innocent blood is shed in other countries....... we put people who attack muslims in prison for hate crimes for 10-15-20 yrs if not life while the middle east allows extremists to roam freely, Islam is the most racist and predjudiced religion/race on the face of the earth today

[paco]

Topgame, do u think the media will show how these us soldiers are raping mothers and sisters and daughters in Iraq? And do u think the American ppl give a fvck if they are? I don't fvcken think so. Try to look outside of just what the media shows u.

[topgame85]

And although I have a high level of dislike for the faith and those specifically engage in extreme forms of it I would never want their innocents dead in the streets as they wish upon us daily

[pavyracer]

This country is a meltpot. Every time someone does something a bunch of people are going to be offended. Just mind your own business people!

[topgame85]

Topgame, do u think the media will show how these us soldiers are raping mothers and sisters and daughters in Iraq? And do u think the American ppl give a fvck if they are? I don't fvcken think so. Try to look outside of just what the media shows u.

I am sure this does occur regularly, I am not denying that, this is part of what always occurs in warzones on both sides. we no longer have a draft so many who join the military are sick twisted people however the majority have the right intentions.... if it was known then the american people in general would 100% have issue with it and that is undeniable.... bleeding heart liberals would be so outraged they would move to Iraq to be "overseers" and ne0-conservatives would make examples if for nothing else to take advantage and gain clout as compassionate warriors..... i am libertarian leaning old school conservative.... I disagree with the wars and am an isolationist but it becomes hard to remain that way.... I go so far as to say I don't find issue with palestine waging war on Israel for taking their land..... the fact though that Islam has no respect for other religions or nations because we are "non-believers" is what brought this on themselves

[topgame85]

My main point is this, the islamic world has determined that the west mainly the USA is responsible for all their problems and if not directly wages war against us and our citizens via terrorism condones and supports it by harboring and denying to uproot and demolish it themselves.......... leaving the US military to be the strong arm invading their lands turning it to a warzone and then yes as a result heneous crimes occur.... with that being said how can we as Americans be held to a higher standard of allowing muslims in our country, treating them as equals while allowing them to make a home and $ and given respect by most citizens when if I decided to move to a middle east country to start a life and try to prosper with my culture openly displayed I could be expected to be kidnapped and killed/tortured with no response from law enforcement and to manys approval..... or at least no contest. We may have started the fire with our extremely poor managed foreign policy yet the fact countries in the middle east allow it be fanned repeatedly by extremists then cry foul when we respond is to say the least unreasonable. Islam and extremists hold ALL americans and "non-believers" responsible citizen or soldier while only the "few" bad seeds hurt the religion of peaces image..... thats the claim by most middle easterners

[milwaukee mike]

"That being said, I would never go to Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Yemen, Kuwait, etc. and disrespect their countries traditions. It's pathetic."

yet you have no problem with your tax dollars going to destroy sovereign nations like iraq, afghanistan, pakistan, etc etc? the marines blowing up every library in iraq and writing "semper fi" on 3000 year old historical buildings on your tax $ doesn't bother you but someone wearing a t-shirt does?

keep listening to bill o'LIEly, glenn beck, and other traitors to tell you what to be offended by...

at least there are a few people here who "get it" and realize we will all die of old age before we ever see a "terrorist".

maybe we should ask why the underwear bomber had at least 2 handlers on the plane, one indian guy in a suit and one guy videotaping the hollywood-type event, and was allowed on without a passport? oh that's right the media won't tell you that his explosives didn't have a blast cap so they were only capable of causing a small fire, not blowing anything up. but that wouldn't keep y'all up at night worried about that oh-so-scary 5'3" 130 lb guy with a fire in his pants. oh no i'm shaking!!!

[paco]

Muslims do no blame America for those u mentioned. All they ask is for America to get the hell out of there country. All America wants from Iraq is oil. Would u like it if another man came to ur home and told u how to run ur home? No, u would tell him to get the fvck out! Or ull kill him. Same scenario

[milwaukee mike]

and paco don't forget the much-ignored fact that saddam hussein HATED muslims.
so by invading iraq and killing saddam we weren't going after "muslim extremist terrorist" quite the opposite we were killing an enemy of muslims.

just more of the american ignorance that because (as the government's story goes) some muslims from saudi arabia attack our country, that means that we are at war with iraq, afghanistan, pakistan, syria, iran and every other country BUT saudi arabia.
maybe it has something to do with the oil deal we have with the house of saud and the fact that saddam wouldn't take that deal (read "confessions of an economic hitman" for proof of this)...

[Dunder]

Muslims do no blame America for those u mentioned. All they ask is for America to get the hell out of there country. All America wants from Iraq is oil. Would u like it if another man came to ur home and told u how to run ur home? No, u would tell him to get the fvck out! Or ull kill him. Same scenario

How does this tie-up with the screams that were heard from predominantly Muslim countries for Western nations to intervene in Kosovo/Bosnia and Chechnya?

Is this not just another case of double standards?

[topgame85]

Muslims do no blame America for those u mentioned. All they ask is for America to get the hell out of there country. All America wants from Iraq is oil. Would u like it if another man came to ur home and told u how to run ur home? No, u would tell him to get the fvck out! Or ull kill him. Same scenario

That statement right there proves my point our soldiers do not want to be there our population does not wat to be there this has been shown through and through, George W and his oil fat cats wanted to be there so ALL AMERICA WANTS is nothing to do with the mideast yet muslims can't see or grasp this .......... so in return what we get blamed for (disliking a religion or group as a whole because of the actions of a few extremists) is in return what the middle east has done to the US for decades, the US is not run by its citizens anymore it is run by big buisiness and special interests so quit attacking our innocents and blame the real responsible parties while policing extremists in your lands and maybe we can stop attacking your innocents and better police our extreme politicians and special interests.... of course non of this will ever come to fruition but thats the real problem

[topgame85]

How does this tie-up with the screams that were heard from predominantly Muslim countries for Western nations to intervene in Kosovo/Bosnia and Chechnya?

Is this not just another case of double standards?

Bingo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Double standards is the exact issue here!

[paco]

Iraq/Afghanistan war will =Vietnam war

[topgame85]

Is it worth it? count 9/11 and war casualties about what 10k americans die...... count damage the military has done in th middle east what 10 million something muslims die? all for what? hate, anger, misguided beliefs on BOTH sides.... they say radicals want to instill fear in the american people who do you think is more scared americans where one terrorist attempt happens a year or muslims whose countries are filled with foreign soldiers and tanks, warcraft and helicopters flying overhead, bombs goin off and stealth drone strikes?

[paco]

Is it worth it? count 9/11 and war casualties about what 10k americans die...... count damage the military has done in th middle east what 10 million something muslims die? all for what? hate, anger, misguided beliefs on BOTH sides

I agree, they need to stop this non sense. Didn't Obama say he will withdraw these troops within a year and last month I read he has ordered 40k troops more to go into Afghanistan-Iraq?

[milwaukee mike]

you finally hit the nail on the head topgame. you are realizing 1/2 of the truth. if george w and his oil fat cats wanted war in the middle east (along with israel) then they had the motive to carry out 9/11, london bus bombings, underwear bomber, etc. as a precursor to forever wars.
and we all know they had the means and the opportunity to go along with this motive, so they had all 3 of the factors for committing a crime.

the "muslim extremists" had none of the 3 - why would you want to kill yourself and get your country destroyed? don't believe the lies that they think they are getting 72 virgins or that they hate us for our freedom. even if they did have motive a ragtag group of guys on kidney dialysis with no communication network in a cave would never have the means or the opportunity to attack us if we didn't let it happen.

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[Deuce]

Where is the oil? We have been there for 5 years. Why am I paying 3 dollars a gallon?

[paco]

Where is the oil? We have been there for 5 years. Why am I paying 3 dollars a gallon?

They are saving it and still fvcking the American people. If it went down to $1 /gallon now, itcwoukd be too obvious

[paco]

Where is the "Weapns of Mass Destruction" Deuce?

[topgame85]

the truth is that the american people are just as much of victims to those that started this mess in the government and special interests that run the country as middle east countries, we have slowly seen our freedoms fall to nothing and government control is overwhelming you can't even say something in anger about the gov't online without FBI knocking at your door anymore..... they tricked radicals into attacking us with bad foreign policy which they knew would at least temporarily flare emotions in the US giving them a green light to do whatever they wanted anywhere in the world with a pass for the rest of eternity........... ignorance is the enemy to both the average american and muslim abroad yet we kill each other for someone elses gain but knowing that ignorance is abound what choice do you have but to hate the ignorant person overseas who wants you dead what choice do you have but to hate your fellow human if you want to survive and that depends on their death or a sudden enlightenment of the masses which is impossible? all puppets is all we are