I have to go with the Law that forced Pinnacle out of the U.S. and neteller out of the market for U.S. customers. Everytime I think of how easy it is to use neteller, paypal, and even moneybookers I think of the lasting impact that the decision has on the industry. Has to be the epic fail of the decade IMO.
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All entirely due to Patriots +14.5 vs. RamsOriginally posted by Nicky SantoroComment -
I agree.Comment -
Well maybe not "entirely", but that was their biggest loss ever at it ultimately did them in.Comment -
Never even heard of Aces Gold. I was messing around with sportsbook.com back in those days. How big were they considered? Like on a Pinnacle level or something?Comment -
I see looks like Aces was once a top 20 book. It's not surprising that they were affiliated with sportsbook.com I stopped dealing with that whole outfit in the early 2000'sComment -
Aces First and foremost. Neteller for US collapse second.Comment -
LENNY AT CASCADE SPORTSBOOK STEALING MY 660 DOLLARS AND SBR JOHN SITTING ON HIS ARSE AND ALLOWING IT TO HAPPEN
WATCHDOG SITE MY ARSE THE ONLY THING SBR JOHN IS WATCHING IS THE ADVERTISING DOLLARS HE COULD CARE LESS ABOUT THE CORRUPT SPORTSBOOKS STEALING THE PLAYERS MONEY
LENNY THE THIEF AT CASCADE SPORTSBOOK STOLE 660 DOLLARS FROM ME THAT WAS THE STORY OF THE DECADE BECAUSE HE BROKE HIS OWN WRITTEN RULES TO DO IT AND NOT ONE WATCHDAOG SITE BACKED BEANTOWNJIM
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ANYBODY WHO DIDNT EXPERIENCE ACES GOLD MISSED OUT ON AN UNIQUE EXPERIENCE EVERY GAME WAS EVEN MONEY THATS RIGHT NO VIG
I LOVED ACES GOLD I WAS LUCKY TO COLLECT BEFORE THEY WENT OUT OF BUSINESS IT WAS A REAL TREAT TO BE GAMES AT EVEN MONEY BOTH SIDES
I GRIN
WHEN I WIN
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How would they make money with no vig?Comment -
They would hope that one side was bet more than the other and collect on the losses.
If you have 200 people betting on one side
and 100 on the other
obviously if the side with the 200 loses they make money.
Aces gold was unbelievable for about 6 monthsComment -
Originally posted by BEANTOWNJIMLENNY AT CASCADE SPORTSBOOK STEALING MY 660 DOLLARS AND SBR JOHN SITTING ON HIS ARSE AND ALLOWING IT TO HAPPEN
WATCHDOG SITE MY ARSE THE ONLY THING SBR JOHN IS WATCHING IS THE ADVERTISING DOLLARS HE COULD CARE LESS ABOUT THE CORRUPT SPORTSBOOKS STEALING THE PLAYERS MONEY
LENNY THE THIEF AT CASCADE SPORTSBOOK STOLE 660 DOLLARS FROM ME THAT WAS THE STORY OF THE DECADE BECAUSE HE BROKE HIS OWN WRITTEN RULES TO DO IT AND NOT ONE WATCHDAOG SITE BACKED BEANTOWNJIM
you took a shot at them and lost and can't get over it.
they proceeded to steal a couple million from other people and yet your $660 (again where you took a shot at them) is the story?Comment -
aces gold was the only book allowing bettors to buy a half pt in the nfl off the 3 for 10 cents.. iow, if line is 3, you can buy half pt both ways and they let you.. you'd have -2.5 and +3.5 and you'd make 2k if it lands on 3, or lose 100$ if it don't.. this was such a huge adv for the player and alot were doing this.. they did not care.. they kept doing it..Comment -
The fall of Neteller was a blow the industry has yet to recover from.Comment -
The JimmyMac fiasco.
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1. neteller. 2. pinnacleComment -
Pinnacle left ON THEIR OWN...
Neteller was just fukked, i am not sure how that all went down "legally", considering they weren't an american companyComment -
I remember in 2001 I had $20 win on exciting story in the met mile bet with aces gold and they paid track odds.
That was my biggest mutual ever for a win ticket.Comment -
Neteller ... no doubt.Comment -
Thought I would mention CBS' 60 Minutes feature on WSEX. Wasnt it in 2001? Got the whole ball rolling down hillComment -
THE SHRINK leaving Therx and going to open up his own website.. he was the RX at one time.
Russy selling MW.. i can't picture that place without him. it's dead now compared to the good old days.
How about Cascade being one of the strongest books 5 yrs ago and today are dead. Lenny was king back then and now he has only 6 customers left.
you might be able to say the same thing about BetRoyal. they were huge at one time and now dead.
Matchbook arrives.
Pinnacle loses all its U.S. customers
NETeller leaves.. that was big..
There's just so many events that took place, hard to remember what right now. So much has happened in 10 yrs.Comment -
RebateWager challenging MonkeyF0cker and the ensuing hilarity.Comment -
I would say the UB scandal...Proved that online poker is being tamperred withComment -
SBR John creates SBR Forum. That day in the summer of 2005 will live in infamy.Comment -
I still remember the Gibraltar group. I can remember these characters Buck and Kincaid had a radio talk show and they endorsed the Gibraltar group, the entire group fell not long after that b.s. law.Comment -
I wasn't around back then but I think the Forum can be positive if used correctly. So, it is mostly a good thing.Originally posted by pavyracerComment -
BetOnSports (and their umbrella of books) going away gets my vote. Lots of recreational gambler confidence was lost from that whole situation.
I know some of us higher rollers think more about Pinnacle dropping US clients - hell I remember scrambling with everyone else to get a big sum transferred out right away. But they delivered and that was that - unlike how BetOnSports collapsed.Comment -
The decade is not even close to over... We have a whole year and a day left...
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yeah i remember that. weren't they called bet nasa.. they were sooooooooooooo big back then and no one thought they'd ever be gone. they were probably the biggest out there.. also there was millenium that were part of them, i believe jaguar sports, betfidelity, badlands, and a few more that i am forgetting that were under their umbrella i believe. Not sure if some of those guys are still around or not...They were all rated as A+ at OSGA.Originally posted by Reload
boy, these names bring back some good memories. hard to believe 8 yrs has gone by so fast.. time just flies..
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Nicky , my fav book of that group was GibraltarComment -
i remember them.. they were called.. therock.com i believe.. great website, great book.. i loved them, too..Originally posted by Sam OdomComment -
also, first fidelity and mvp bets and tradewinds i believe too was a part of them.. and i can't remember their other one under their umbrella. it was probably their biggest one.. damn, i am drawing a blankComment -
I GO BACK TO THE DAYS WITH S.O.S AND ABC ISLANDS WAS THE BIGGEST BOOK.THE FIRST GUY I ACTUALLY TALKED TO ON THE PHONE WAS TOM MILLER FROM ABC ISLAND I HAVE HAD OVER 50 OFFSHORE ACCOUNTS OVER THE YEARS I HAVE TRIED THEM ALL.
I USED TO LOVE BET AUSTRALIA THE FEMALE CLERKS WERE THE NICEST PEOPLE IT WOULD BE 1 A.M. IN THE UNITED STATES AND IN AUSTRALIA IT WAS LIKE 3 IN THE AFTERNOON IT WAS REALLY WEIRD
I WONDER IF TOM MILLER IS STILL IN THE BUSINESS HE USED TO ADVERTISE ON A LOCAL BOSTON RADIO STATION AND EVERY MONDAY NIGHT THEY WOULD HAVE HIM ON THE RADIO TALKING ABOUT WHERE THE MONEY IS GOINGComment
