(should the colts be investigated)

jackpot269 · 12-29-09, 03:41 PM

probably !!!!!!!!

slacker00 · 12-29-09, 04:08 PM

Originally posted by nobs

BTJ is a legend, and very entertaining, but I think Sharpcat is correct.

Correct about what? Sharpcat is completely incoherent. I ask him who he is and he starts blithering an incoherent ramble ending with a jab at the Patriots?! I'm not sure what statement he may have uttered, much less what he may have been correct about.

The General · 12-29-09, 04:32 PM

Originally posted by Mr Handicapable

First of all....I'm in Indy and a huge Colts fan! Indy fans got fc'd.....Indy backers got fc'd! Caldwell got ran off early on his own radio show last night by irate callers! Somebody wins the fcn SB every year but nobody has EVER gone 19-0! To cheat the players and fans out of a shot at history is just flat out wrong!
Manning has played 1,000 games in a row....I think he would've survived another 20 minutes of action on Sunday? They had no problems going balls-to-the-wall vs Jacksonville for 60 minutes with all their starters on only 3 days rest?? I've seen every Peyton snap since the beginning of his career and they've never had a problem with Peyton staying in with the Colts up 28 in the 4Q either...NEVER? Why not try to stay on a roll....resting and taking it easy hasn't worked in the past for the Colts? I still think they can win it all but it will be interesting to see how they rebound mentally?

Wheell · 12-29-09, 04:33 PM

Indy backers knew the risks. It was a meaningless game for the Colts, and management understood that.

yisman · 12-29-09, 04:44 PM

Originally posted by Thor4140

How did the linesmakers know to drop that line 4 points but at no where or at any time this was announced to the betting public that the Indy coach would pull his players in the 3rd quarter? If that doesn't tell ya that something smells rotten in Denmark then nothing will. How did the linesmakers know to adjust there line

Linesmakers dropped it based on money on the Jets.

reverse line movement. Sharps pounded the Jets.

THE PROFIT · 12-29-09, 05:27 PM

Every big name tout had the jets as the underdog GOY,POD,GOW,etc...It looks to me that it was pretty well understood by someone that starters were being pulled. Plus the fact that Jets have best defense in the league playing for their playoff lives against a team that even with their starters have had to come back in the 4th several times. If you left this game alone-very smart. If you played the colts-VERY STUPID!

Thor4140 · 12-29-09, 06:05 PM

Originally posted by yisman

Linesmakers dropped it based on money on the Jets.

reverse line movement. Sharps pounded the Jets.

give me a break will ya. The betting public had that game lined up for a week and it was the biggest bet game of the day. All Indy. sure some sharp money but a fraction of what u think.

Lost Angel · 12-29-09, 06:14 PM

Originally posted by THE PROFIT

It looks to me that it was pretty well understood by someone that starters were being pulled.

Sometime during the week prior to the game The Colts brought in Painter or some other QB....added him to the roster. This along with the line move, BIGtime RLM should have been sufficient to signal at least a No Play on Colts.

Unfortunately for me I grabbed IND- 5.5 in contests early, seeing early action come in on IND I figured the line would move to 6/6.5.

Of course the opposite occurred, fortunately I didn't put money on Colts- but did lose with them as part of a small ML parlay, all others winning.....

I just could not get my brain around the idea that they would actually not contest a loss here....figured they'd leave the 1st team in until the victory was secured.

hoopster42 · 12-29-09, 06:16 PM

painter was on the roster all yr i think

anyways, the schmucks continue to talk abt this while the real cappers and winners move on and get ready for this huge bowl wk and wk 17 NFL

slacker00 · 12-29-09, 06:16 PM

Originally posted by Thor4140

give me a break will ya. The betting public had that game lined up for a week and it was the biggest bet game of the day. All Indy. sure some sharp money but a fraction of what u think.

How much does Joe Public bet? How much do professionals bet? Think about it.

Max bets move the line, min bets don't.

hoopster42 · 12-29-09, 06:16 PM

Originally posted by slacker00

How much does Joe Public bet? How much do professionals bet? Think about it.

Max bets move the line, min bets don't.

max bets but has to be sharp money usually to move the line

Lost Angel · 12-29-09, 06:17 PM

Point being that those who lost with Colts weren't necessarily "idiots" but maybe some of them just premature with making their wagers here.

Those who took -3.5 or even -3 after the line movement though?

Yeah...that was, undebatably, idiotic.

hoopster42 · 12-29-09, 06:19 PM

Originally posted by Lost Angel

Point being that those who lost with Colts weren't necessarily "idiots" but maybe some of them just premature with making their wagers here.

Those who took -3.5 or even -3 after the line movement though?

Yeah...that was, undebatably, idiotic.

which is why at that point i teased it to jets +10.5 and added bears +16

was one of the few things i did right this last sunday/monday NFL

Lost Angel · 12-29-09, 06:20 PM

Originally posted by hoopster42

painter was on the roster all yr i think

anyways, the schmucks continue to talk abt this while the real cappers and winners move on and get ready for this huge bowl wk and wk 17 NFL

Yeah, I don't think it was Painter they brought in, I had heard that they added another "backup QB" though, like, fairly early in the week......like Wednesday or somesuch...maybe even before.

I didn't pay it much mind because already the line activity was sending out "signs".....

By gameday it was obvious some shit was gonna hit the fan.

Thor4140 · 12-29-09, 06:21 PM

Originally posted by slacker00

How much does Joe Public bet? How much do professionals bet? Think about it.

Max bets move the line, min bets don't.

I have thought about it and then asked my buddy to break it down for me with his books. 58 people took Indy and 7 took the Jets. 6 times the money was on Indy. enuf said. Same with every book around the country. sharp shit. For every Sharp there are 200 public bettors.

Lost Angel · 12-29-09, 06:25 PM

Originally posted by hoopster42

which is why at that point i teased it to jets +10.5 and added bears +16

was one of the few things i did right this last sunday/monday NFL

Both great teases, and not just in "hindsight" either..across key numbers and Colts certainly be challenged ATS (I had lost, like, a FEW ATS wagers against them with Houston, comes to mind, and at least 2 others in the preceding few weeks) and with what was stirring in Minnesota, that whole Soap Opera, added to this the fact that Chicago does traditionally give Minny a game.....

Bears at home too in front of a crowd that was on the verge of lynching Jay Cutler....

good Teasers....I don't mess with the tease too much but like these two.

hoopster42 · 12-29-09, 06:28 PM

the sharper the oddsmakers and bettors get, the more and more NFL teasers are hitting, ive hit 56% of my 2-team 6, 6.5 and 7 pt teasers NFL this yr

they used to be bad plays when lines were looser, but lines are no longer looser, they are tight as a motherfukker, so teases are the plays now i believe, sides are nearly impossible to hit 56% on over the course of a full season

i have played 40 plus teaser this yr and made money

Lost Angel · 12-29-09, 06:28 PM

Originally posted by Thor4140

For every Sharp there are 200 public bettors.

Oman I'd think that WAAAY low....more like 2000 to 1 if even that....

yisman · 12-29-09, 06:28 PM

Originally posted by Thor4140

give me a break will ya. The betting public had that game lined up for a week and it was the biggest bet game of the day. All Indy. sure some sharp money but a fraction of what u think.

Someone doesn't understand what reverse line movement is.

Lost Angel · 12-29-09, 06:36 PM

Originally posted by hoopster42

the sharper the oddsmakers and bettors get, the more and more NFL teasers are hitting, ive hit 56% of my 2-team 6, 6.5 and 7 pt teasers NFL this yr

they used to be bad plays when lines were looser, but lines are no longer looser, they are tight as a motherfukker, so teases are the plays now i believe, sides are nearly impossible to hit 56% on over the course of a full season

i have played 40 plus teaser this yr and made money

And theres a few sharp posts I've read regarding when to tease and when not to.....involving stuff like "never tease across the zero"....

a player could get sharp like one of those Infomercial knives on Teasers were they to be extremely disciplined about such....Its a good point you make with how lines are getting tighter.

We just had a discussion about this yesterday....I believe this is due to improved Software, better computer simulation of games....lines are tighter yes it seems than in years past. I see more inconsistency in teams though than ever before though so that puzzles me.

This, this wild inconsistency, i.e Giants bury Skins then get buried by Carolina who sucked vs. Buffalo only to then go and carve up AZ at home type stuff has made this past year my worst ATS.

Still basically hit 67% on ML though.....thats what I always do. 66-67% every year now forever.

Lost Angel · 12-29-09, 06:38 PM

Originally posted by yisman

Someone doesn't understand what reverse line movement is.

Yep.

sharpcat · 12-29-09, 07:39 PM

Originally posted by sharpcat

Oh i am sorry you are correct I do not know anything about gambling simply because I have only posted on this site 22 times nothing compared to the legends 450 posts.....

Guess I just figured that 15 years of gambling experience was good I did not know that the amount of posts you had on sbr effected your status as a handicapper!!!!!!

Guess I just figured that since indy clenched, jets had something to play for and not to metion the reverse line movement of 4 points was a give me for an experienced handicapper.

But than again I am a handicapper and not an sbr legend so I do not make sucker bets and than cry when I lose.

Game rigged?????
no believe it or not team owners like to make value bets too and winning a superbowl pays far more than an undefeated season, which is why every team in this situation in the last 20 years besides the '72 dolphins and the patriots benched their starters.

Undefeated superbowl runner ups.....lol......how many t-shirts did that sell? how many hats? how did that work out for the patriots???????

Originally posted by slacker00

Correct about what? Sharpcat is completely incoherent. I ask him who he is and he starts blithering an incoherent ramble ending with a jab at the Patriots?! I'm not sure what statement he may have uttered, much less what he may have been correct about.

All you have to do is go back a page to read the quote

but I went ahead and put it here for you so you would not have to do that.

I would explain it for you but if I had to you probably wouldn't understand

Thor4140 · 12-29-09, 07:41 PM

Originally posted by yisman

Someone doesn't understand what reverse line movement is.

Ur post makes absolutely no sense. sharp money didn't make this line move the books made this line move to suck in the action. sharp money came in after seeing what the thieving books were doing. to think there was more money bet on the Jets this game is absolutely foolish.

BEANTOWNJIM · 12-29-09, 07:49 PM

F-CK SHARP LINES AND MOVES AND ALL THAT BULLSHIT.INDY WAS THE RIGHT SIDE AND THEY SHOULD HAVE COVERED IF THEY DIDNT HAVE A DUMB F-CKING NIGERIAN COACH

I HAVE SEEN SO MANY GUYS GO BROKE PLAYING LINE MOVES ITS SO OVERRATED I HAVE BEEN ON A 5 POINT MOVE AND LOST MORE TIMES THAN I HAVE WON LINE MOVES ARE FOR SUCKERS.

LETS SEE HOW THE LINE MOVES WORK THIS WEEKEND WITH NOBODY PLAYING TO WIN AND LAYING DOWN THIS IS GOING TO BE ONE TOUGH BETTING WEEKEND COMING UP

IF YOU MAKE MONEY THIS WEEKEND YOUR NOT SHARP YOUR JUST A GOOD GUESSER

yisman · 12-29-09, 07:57 PM

Originally posted by Thor4140

Ur post makes absolutely no sense. sharp money didn't make this line move the books made this line move to suck in the action. sharp money came in after seeing what the thieving books were doing. to think there was more money bet on the Jets this game is absolutely foolish.

You are wrong. You still don't understand what reverse line movement is.

You and BEANTOWNJIM have a lot in common on this one.

sharpcat · 12-29-09, 08:02 PM

Originally posted by beantownjim

f-ck sharp lines and moves and all that bullshit.indy was the right side and they should have covered if they didnt have a dumb f-cking nigerian coach

i have seen so many guys go broke playing line moves its so overrated i have been on a 5 point move and lost more times than i have won line moves are for suckers.

Lets see how the line moves work this weekend with nobody playing to win and laying down this is going to be one tough betting weekend coming up

If you make money this weekend your not sharp your just a good guesser

"indy should have covered it was the right side"

"lets see how the line moves work this weekend with nobody playing to win and laying down this is going to be one tough betting weekend coming up"

Is there any difference in teams laying down last week? NO! as soon as a team clenches be prepared for them to lay down.

So Indy was no dead lock and vegas knew it and dropped the line, the general public did not respect what the "TRUE PROFESSIONALS" did and chose to stick with indy.

DarkNite · 12-30-09, 01:47 AM

I think HC wants to make sure his players are healthy for playoff and the game is meaningless for IND, just wants NYJ to get in, it's better than Pit that they will not want to play against.
It looks like so fishy, but we have to live with that, because it's pre-playoff. At this time most of the teams do. Sometimes it's the bdc.

DeluxeLiner · 12-30-09, 01:53 AM

This thread is entertaining

stevek173 · 12-30-09, 01:57 AM

Nice post. Don't agree at all but respect it. Colts coach showed balls here and is gonna have to show more to get the press off his back. If he gets it done he is the the one laughing in the end and I almost want to see it happen even though I've got a Chargers Eagles super bowl in in my book. He definitely could've communicated with his team better to make it less awkward.

"That being said"