First, I would like to thank my lord and saviour Jesus Christ.

[jellobiafra]

God bless you and all your whores Paco.

[eidolon]

I honestly believe that degenerate gamblers like all of us are the smartest and most commensense people in the WORLD.

[TheAntidote]

It really grinds my gears too.

I was listening to Jim Rome in the car yesterday and he had the Houston Cougar QB on. The guy kept talking about the "Lord's plan" and said something about how he has spent the past year "strengthening my relationship with the Lord" and how great that's been. Made me want to fukkin vomit.

Your relationship with the Lord?? Like it's a two way street. It's a fukking relationship now, is that right? Like you guys go to the movies and sit up late chatting on the phone and maybe after a few more dates you're gonna suck his celestial dick? That kind of relationship?

First of all, how absolutely arrogant is that to think the Lord is wasting his time worried about what's on your mind today. Do these people have ANY concept of how big the universe is?? Like The Big J is up there in the sky with nothing better to do than map out when he should throw the slant pass, or when he should take a shit. Who really needs to feel that much like they don't have control over ANYTHING in their lives - that it's all in the Lord's hands so oh well....

Fukking crazy people, that's who. People unequipped to deal with life and struggles in a rational manner. People who need a crutch to get through life.

1. Well put. Some people are so self-absorbed and narcissistic that they actually believe some invisible sky man cares about their personal thoughts and needs.

2. I'm giving you a point for the phrase "celestial dick". I hard.

[flyingillini]

http://www.lije.org/

Plombaum, this is the site I frequent daily, once I log on I do the cross thing across my chest. OrALE!

[bettilimbroke999]

The New Jersey Nets must be devil worshippers

[betplom]

http://www.lije.org/

Plombaum, this is the site I frequent daily, once I log on I do the cross thing across my chest. OrALE!

IlliniBaum I fear you will not be allowed to be buried in a Jewish cemetary with your peers in G-d if you continue down this road.

[Bread]

I can't wait to bang down some broads with Paco when I go to Michigan.

Thanks God & Allah you cool ass muther fukkers!

[gomiamigo]

I would like to thank my lord and God, Angry Old Testament God, for this thread.

He will smite you all, thanks for identifying yourselves!

[gomiamigo]

You guys are so immature with your wisecracks.

My invisible friend with superpowers will get you someday.

1. Well put. Some people are so self-absorbed and narcissistic that they actually believe some invisible sky man

Wow, SBR poasters are pretty impressive if they can see everything in the universe from behind their PC.

Angry Old Testament God is coming for you. And man...those lightning bolts are gonna not only be visible, they're gonna hurt!

[paco]

God looks down on gambling, if u win, u capped the game right, if u lose, u capped the game wrong or caught a bad beat. Period.

[Chi_archie]

one of my favorite Athlete/religion post-game soundbytes is mike tyson after a fight, saying he wanted to eat Lennox Lewis's heart and children than abruptly saying Praise be to Allah

[paco]

one of my favorite Athlete/religion post-game soundbytes is mike tyson after a fight, saying he wanted to eat Lennox Lewis's heart and children than abruptly saying Praise be to Allah

[Chi_archie]

[flyingillini]

Classic video! Get on Mike!

[Muddy]

I don't know about you, but I don't discount the possibility of a God or even an afterlife. I just don't think anybody has a clue and don't see any reason why we SHOULD have a clue. We are all so insignificant in the grand scheme of life/universe that it doesn't matter what we think or believe. Who the fukk are we? What makes us so special?

You missed the point. The particular God that these athletes are acknowledging says that these individuals are the most significant things in the universe.

[DrStale]

God looks down on gambling, if u win, u capped the game right, if u lose, u capped the game wrong or caught a bad beat. Period.

"God" doesn't give a shit about gambling.

[lyon804]

That Tyson Fukk takes the cake. I remember the interview, but it has been sometime now. What an idiot.

[illmatick]

get over it

I used to get mad at shit like this when I was 14

[buztah]

You guys are so immature with your wisecracks.

My invisible friend with superpowers will get you someday.

[poochiecollins]

I'm an ex-Christian, being part of multiple Protestant church communities, so I think I can bring some perspective to this thread.

It's for all the ignorant people in the world that need something to justify their sad excuse for a life because they are too lazy to go out and get it themselves.

False? It's hard to elaborate beyond that because I'm having trouble making sense of this statement.

[poochiecollins]

First of all, how absolutely arrogant is that to think the Lord is wasting his time worried about what's on your mind today. Do these people have ANY concept of how big the universe is?? Like The Big J is up there in the sky with nothing better to do than map out when he should throw the slant pass, or when he should take a shit. Who really needs to feel that much like they don't have control over ANYTHING in their lives - that it's all in the Lord's hands so oh well.... Fukking crazy people, that's who. People unequipped to deal with life and struggles in a rational manner. People who need a crutch to get through life.

What makes sense to me is a player thanking their deity for letting them play well, having success, that sort of thing. To say or imply that you had a good play/game because your deity wanted you to is usually presumptuous, depending on the religion.

The general idea that things only happen if God allows them to is supported by the Bible. Ergo, one believing the Bible would be "rational" in trusting that there's a God who controls all things. What would be irrational are the people who believe in the Bible's god without adhering to it says. That's like saying you believe in gravity while ignoring the consequences of jumping off a cliff. Anyway, considering that there have been many productive religious people and that they are similar to agnostics and atheists in many/most ways virtually proves that believing that a deity controls everything does not in fact imply one is "Fukking crazy."

Saying that religious people, or Christians in this case, are so because they "need a crutch to get through life" is, without name-calling, quite presumptuous on your part. Can you read minds? Have you experienced what they have? Based on the entirety of your post, it's looking like brash judgment from limited knowledge on your part. Careful.

A related tidbit: many Christians think agnostics/atheists have anger issues, such as not believing in God because they're angry at Him. It also implies a culture of hostility in the agnostic or atheist community that Christians don't want to be a part of, so anyone trying to talk Christians out of their faith, or more likely at least make them doubt, should avoid coming across this way.

[betplom]

One of the differences I've noticed between Christians and Atheists/Agnostics is that only the Christians seem interested in converting everyone to their beliefs.

I personally don't care if Christians don't want to share my belief that the Bible and Jesus stuff was all a hoax, fiction at best.

[Chi_archie]

Jesus sure, screwed up when Tebow threw that late INT into the endzone........ Where was Jesus on THAT play?

[jellobiafra]

Anyway, considering that there have been many productive religious people and that they are similar to agnostics and atheists in many/most ways virtually proves that believing that a deity controls everything does not in fact imply one is "Fukking crazy."

Very good points all around. I was probably a little too vulgar and dismissive for the subject at hand, but my frustration with the topic lends itself to that sort of response from me. I actually appreciate your suggestions and agree with much (if not all) of what you wrote.

Of course religion is more than just a crutch to people who are served by it. It is all just extraneous chicanery to me, but I can appreciate that some people truly believe in it and call upon spirituality for strength in their lives. More power to those that are able to garner some sort of benefit from it, but that doesn't make it any less silly in my opinion. Some people believe they can draw strength from a rabbit's foot, but that isn't exactly a testament to human rationality either.

As you so eloquently noted, there are many productive religious people who are similar to agnostics/atheists in most ways. I have actually used this very point as proof of religion's irrelevancy with regard to our mortal existence. The flip side of that point is that there are many successful agnostics/atheists who don't seem to be hindered by their lack of faith. Religion apparently isn't a necessity to anyone who doesn't believe that they need it.

Anyway, thanks for the post and I'd be happy to continue the discussion if you have anything more to add.

[Chi_archie]

One of the differences I've noticed between Christians and Atheists/Agnostics is that only the Christians seem interested in converting everyone to their beliefs.

I personally don't care if Christians don't want to share my belief that the Bible and Jesus stuff was all a hoax, fiction at best.

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can't tell ya how much sick i've become of the Christian's here at SBR posting threads about atheist athletes.... and all the anti atheist threads of late.....


this is truly refreshing.....


I thank no entities for this post

[betplom]

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can't tell ya how much sick i've become of the Christian's here at SBR posting threads about atheist athletes.... and all the anti atheist threads of late.....


this is truly refreshing.....


I thank no entities for this post

Archer, I hear ya loud and clear pal but I'm not talking about the degens here on the forum, I'm specifically talking about non gambling regular christians that you meet on the street - you know like the ones that hang out in front of the abortion clinics.

[Chi_archie]

live and let live..... in all the earth


I hear ya plommer

[Bread]

decipher

[poochiecollins]

How, how, how, HOW can people be so ignorant??? SO incredibly SELF-CENTERED as to believe that if there were an all-powerful God, he would really actually have it in his "plan" who won the friggin' Florida/Florida St. game!!!!!!!!! ARE YOU FRIGGIN' SERIOUS??!!! The answer is this: People do not want to use reason.

Who says God didn't? Is it not presumptuous (my apparent word of the day) of you to suggest for certain that it isn't, and why people believe so? You're doing what you're accusing these Christians of doing.
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They find life easier when there is a "plan" for everything and a "purpose" for everyone... you will be taken care of if you are good, or punished if you are bad, and we are all here for a reason, and there is a grand plan for everything. It is 100% unfounded in reality. It makes people feel good, so they choose to ignore ALL empirical evidence to the contrary.

A fair bit of truth in the first half of this, wrong in the second. With some use of a search engine, you could find pro-Christian arguments on history and science that anyone who isn't a historian or scientist, respectively, will probably have trouble refuting.
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I don't understand how we can't be more advanced as an American society in the year 2009. It absolutely stuns me.

Because religion, like politics, is largely about emotion in most cases. I could say this is probably the case for you, or any given person reading this. How? Easily, with this statement: have you done extensive research into what is/are the true religion[s], when we include atheism and agnosticism as religions? We know you haven't, because you say belief in a deity is "100% unfounded in reality." Considering the ramifications of a possible afterlife that many religions say your actions while alive on Earth affect, it's rational to conclude that it's worth a serious look into.

[jellobiafra]

poochie, I'm interested in your declaration that you are an "ex-Christian". Would you mind elaborating?

[poochiecollins]

One of the differences I've noticed between Christians and Atheists/Agnostics is that only the Christians seem interested in converting everyone to their beliefs. I personally don't care if Christians don't want to share my belief that the Bible and Jesus stuff was all a hoax, fiction at best.

Though it may vary by the Christian, the central idea is that they believe they're helping you to heaven and saving you from hell. It usually annoys me now too in the few instances it's come up since I've been an agnostic for a few years, but I understand why they'd want to.

[LVHerbie]

I never understood this myself... Clearly God doesn't have enough time to get involved in football... He is too busy maintaining the American exceptionalism mentality by making sure our troops keep kicking Arab ass in Iraq and Afghanistan...

[ByeShea]

"When people stop believing in God, they don't believe in nothing - they believe in anything."

I always get a laugh at the egotistical turds who've got it all figured out.

[poochiecollins]

poochie, I'm interested in your declaration that you are an "ex-Christian". Would you mind elaborating?

I was raised Christian, involved-on off with some churches and their youth groups at my mothers' and more notably at this one church for years when I moved in with my father (they divorced when I was a child). I was a bit serious about the religion around my mid-teens. By late-teens, I started having doubts, based on personal experiences and things I read, the latter usually science-related. I slowly became more unsure and skeptical over time. The straw that broke the camel's back came a couple years ago when I came upon the Bible scripture that's listed and discussed under #8 here: http://www.cracked.com/article_15699...le-verses.html (this isn't how I found out about the story). I figured it wouldn't make sense for God to do that, based on the Bible's other characterizations of Him, and God wouldn't allow that story to find its way into the book. I remember being depressed for months, even after I intellectually recognized that the world is better off if the Bible's not true, since most people would then not be eternally damned to torture. Most of the people I associated with were Christians at the time, so significantly inhibiting that social avenue was pretty bad. I have social problems as is, ha. After the few months, I got over the "omg teh godz not reel" part, but I still miss the church community in ways, especially Christian women. I like the clean-cut and feminine motif.

Fux, my cousin just walked in and gave me what's left of a package of "Double Stuf" Oreos. I'm trying to lose weight. Those little bastards are 70 calories each. The other week, he bought me a 10-pack of Reese's cups, and what was left of Reese's Pieces bag a couple times. Why's he doing this to me?!

Anyway, so uhh... I think I was about done there. You sounded quite different and cleared up everything in your post previous too this btw, we're good there :->

Edit: Now I remember the other stuff I was going to bring up. I largely left Christianity mostly partly due to partly to experience, lack of hard evidence in the historical record, and mostly due to science. Sorting out articles on science is hard, when I'm not an avid studier of the subject, and most of the authors are smarter than I am, on both sides. What tips the scale for me is that most scientists believe in old-Earth evidence, and an appreciably lower percentage of them believe in God than the public, according to what I've read.

Research has shown that church-goers are happier on average and that happiness doesn't correlate either way with any religion, according to what I've read, which makes converting people to atheists or agnostics hard. The world is moving in that direction, but it'll be slow.

[poochiecollins]

Jesus is great to have on your side for sports.... but it really irritates me when Jesus allows a backdoor cover... he's great for winning straight up, but he forgets about the spread all the time. Jesus, also lets Kurt Warner and Tim Tebow get too many concussions... Jesus, get these guys some o-line angelic protection

Yeah, I mean Jesus Christ... XD