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    Quote Originally Posted by jnickell100 View Post
    Can't argue that? Kershaw is having one of the best pitching seasons ever this year.
    fyi has anyone noticed theyre all in the national league while king felix is dominating the offensive circuit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by InTheDrink View Post
    fyi has anyone noticed theyre all in the national league while king felix is dominating the offensive circuit?
    Figured you or jmobile would respond to that. You're both dodger haters. But please don't compare Felix to kershaw. There is no comparison between the two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnickell100 View Post
    Figured you or jmobile would respond to that. You're both dodger haters. But please don't compare Felix to kershaw. There is no comparison between the two.


    go ahead and explain

    we're waiting

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    Maybe someone else can compare side by side but:
    kershaw--era 1.87 compared to Felix 2.3
    kershaw whip---.86 compared to Felix 1.06
    kershaw3complete game so--3 Felix 0

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnickell100 View Post
    Maybe someone else can compare side by side but:
    kershaw--era 1.87 compared to Felix 2.3
    kershaw whip---.86 compared to Felix 1.06
    kershaw3complete game so--3 Felix 0
    there probably isnt much difference between the american league and the national league

    apples to apples comparison


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    Ever?Gibson in 1968 says hello,Pedro had a couple of better seasons too
    QUOTE=jnickell100;19297216]Can't argue that? Kershaw is having one of the best pitching seasons ever this year.[/QUOTE]

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevenash View Post
    Ever?Gibson in 1968 says hello,Pedro had a couple of better seasons too
    Quote Originally Posted by jnickell100 View Post
    Can't argue that? Kershaw is having one of the best pitching seasons ever this year.
    nasher even you know gibbie's season was overrated (but still great) because of the mound height

    nasher petey was the best pitcher over about a five year span any of us will ever see

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevenash View Post
    I have had my eye on him since 2011

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnickell100 View Post
    Maybe someone else can compare side by side but:
    kershaw--era 1.87 compared to Felix 2.3
    kershaw whip---.86 compared to Felix 1.06
    kershaw3complete game so--3 Felix 0
    facing the weak NL helps

    Felix light years ahead of Kershaw

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    Fernandez even hit a sac fly tonight. 14K's like Darvish the other night. Keeping my eyes on those 2 they gon' be dealing for years if they can stay healthy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanuckG View Post
    facing the weak NL helps

    Felix light years ahead of Kershaw
    please kid. Light years ahead. You're high. Kershaw has been the best p in the last 3 years. So anyways I just looked over some numbers, the nl west collectivity has a higher team batting average than al west.

    Also, your article is nice and cute about Hernandez.
    Kershaw's run support per gm---3.22. Felix---4.43

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    Quote Originally Posted by InTheDrink View Post
    nasher even you know gibbie's season was overrated (but still great) because of the mound height

    nasher petey was the best pitcher over about a five year span any of us will ever see
    Bob Gibson changed the way the game was played after 1968, he's the reason why they lowered the mound.
    Here's his 1968 game log, how many consecutive shut outs in June?
    Look at all the 1-0, 2-1, 2-0 games also.

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...&t=p&year=1968

    My favorite Gibby story, his catcher Tim McCarver comes out to the mound for a chat, Gibson points to the home plate, tells McCarver, "go back, what can you tell me about pitching except you can't hit it"


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    2000 Pedro Martinez 19-9 1.74 4.91 .354
    1994* Greg Maddux 16-6 1.56 4.21 .365
    1968 Bob Gibson 22-9 1.12 2.99 .375
    1995* Greg Maddux 19-2 1.63 4.18 .379
    1999 Pedro Martinez 23-4 2.07 4.86 .425
    1985 Dwight Gooden 24-4 1.53 3.59 .426
    1996 Kevin Brown 17-11 1.89 4.34 .435
    1997 Roger Clemens 21-7 2.05 4.57 .449
    1997 Pedro Martinez 17-8 1.90 4.22 .451
    1964 Dean Chance 20-9 1.64 3.63 .455
    1981* Nolan Ryan 11-5 1.69 3.70 .456
    1978 Ron Guidry 25-3 1.74 3.76 .463
    1966 Sandy Koufax 27-9 1.73 3.61 .479
    1953 Warren Spahn 23-7 2.10 4.29 .490
    1964 Sandy Koufax 19-5 1.74 3.54 .492
    1990 Roger Clemens 21-6 1.93 3.91 .494
    1955 Billy Pierce 15-10 1.97 3.96 .497
    1997 Randy Johnson 20-4 2.28 4.57 .499
    1971 Tom Seaver 20-10 1.76 3.47 .507
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    Quote Originally Posted by stevenash View Post
    Jimmenez was 2:1 fave in Cleveland
    You posted Hernandez +210 yesterday, and he wasn't. Miami was favored.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnickell100 View Post
    Figured you or jmobile would respond to that. You're both dodger haters. But please don't compare Felix to kershaw. There is no comparison between the two.
    Actually the two are extremely close and Hernandez actually has the slight edge right now, although it is very close and practically a toss-up. Felix 2.45 FIP, Kershaw 2.47 FIP; Felix 2.60 xFIP, Kershaw 2.90 xFIP; Felix 4.9 WAR, Kershaw 4,5 WAR.

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    1.74 era in the middle of the steroid era

    obfukkinscene

    pedro

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    Quote Originally Posted by LT Profits View Post
    You posted Hernandez +210 yesterday, and he wasn't. Miami was favored.
    I posted the run line, sorry about that, -110/+210

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    Quote Originally Posted by InTheDrink View Post
    1.74 era in the middle of the steroid era

    obfukkinscene

    pedro

    Maddux too.
    Thing is it's a tough comparison, two different leagues, two different styles of pitching..............

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevenash View Post
    Maddux too.
    Thing is it's a tough comparison, two different leagues, two different styles of pitching..............
    agreed....but even as a phils fan i acknowledge that most of the big offenses were in the AL in that era...AL teams averaged around a quarter run per game more than NL teams in that era

    This is the greatest performance I've ever seen given the circumstances


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    Quote Originally Posted by InTheDrink View Post
    but even as a phils fan
    1972 Phils win 59 lose 97, Carlton goes 27 and 10
    Now if you add the two games he started that the Phils won and he got a No Decision in, Steve Carlton started 50% of all the games the Phillies won that season.

    Now that is what I call a great single season performance.

    Want to see something you'll never see again, click on this game log link of all Carlton's starts that year in 1972, look at the IP column, foget all the nine inning games he pitched, look how many 10 inning plus games he pitched in.

    Pay even closer attention to the innings pitched column in Sept/Oct

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...&t=p&year=1972

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    What site are you getting all this shit from Nash.?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnickell100 View Post
    What site are you getting all this shit from Nash.?
    Define shit? The stat links?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevenash View Post
    Define shit? The stat links?
    Yes your stats. Meant "shit" in a good way lol. You always come up with these obscure hard to find stats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevenash View Post
    1972 Phils win 59 lose 97, Carlton goes 27 and 10
    Now if you add the two games he started that the Phils won and he got a No Decision in, Steve Carlton started 50% of all the games the Phillies won that season.

    Now that is what I call a great single season performance.

    Want to see something you'll never see again, click on this game log link of all Carlton's starts that year in 1972, look at the IP column, foget all the nine inning games he pitched, look how many 10 inning plus games he pitched in.

    Pay even closer attention to the innings pitched column in Sept/Oct

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...&t=p&year=1972
    41 starts and 37 decisions

    is 30 cg's a lot?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnickell100 View Post
    Yes your stats. Meant "shit" in a good way lol. You always come up with these obscure hard to find stats.
    baseball-reference.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by InTheDrink View Post
    is 30 cg's a lot?
    Only 25 or so pitchers in this era start 30 games all season now

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevenash View Post
    baseball-reference.com
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    Totally shocked that a Jose Fernandez thread turns into a Kershaw/Felix pissing contest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLock View Post
    Totally shocked that a Jose Fernandez thread turns into a Kershaw/Felix pissing contest.
    Ya I know. My fault. I hijacked the thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLock View Post
    Totally shocked that a Jose Fernandez thread turns into a Kershaw/Felix pissing contest.
    Well I DO think that everyone in this thread agrees that Fernandez is a stud, it is just about impossible to argue otherwise.

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    Just read he'll be shut down for the season Labor Day

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevenash View Post
    Just read he'll be shut down for the season Labor Day
    itll ruin him

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    Miami Marlins
    Pitchers IP H R ER BB SO HR PC-ST ERA
    J Fernandez 4.0 0 0 0 0 6 0 50-37 2.27
    Totals 4.0 0 0 0 0 6 0 50-37

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingJD31 View Post
    He's not jenrry mejia good
    was this sarcastic or serious?

    what the hell ever happened to that kid?

    I remember the Mets touting him as their next Doc Gooden (before Harvey was ever even drafted) he came up for a few MLB starts, had a blazing fastball, then disappeared like a fart in the wind.

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