Brian Flores sues NFL for racial discrimination

[Mac4Lyfe]

The Rooney Rule is a self regulating agreement between a network of individual franchises. It's not a State or Federal law.

There is no State or Federal law that mandates hiring qoutas.

The lawsuit about discrimination lacks basis.

The discovery portion, however, is going to get ugly if there are owners throwing games

Whoever brought up quotas?

How do you know the discrimination lawsuit lacks basis? Do you really think Flores doesn't have other evidence? You don't think there's going to be dozens of ex coaches, players, administrators coming out of the woodworks? Hue Jackson has already come out. I'd bet we'll see at least a dozen admin, secretaries coming out with some dirty shit. We all know the NFL has been foul in these dealings. We're about to find out just how foul. I bet Chucky may come forward as well.

[ridgeway]

exactly lmaoooo

We all know everything is whiteys fault.

[Mac4Lyfe]

I don't know either personally, but I do contribute as a freelance writer to a couple of sports online publications that do know and whom I trust say so.

You said they had a great working relationship. That is usually a sign of implicit bias. I'm just throwing that out as I don't know any of these guys. But I do know that decisions are often made in a bar or back room.

[JAKEPEAVY21]

Where's the outrage for lack of Asian, Middle Eastern (insert any other ethnicity) head coaches?

[stevenash]

Why is Roger Pure Evil Nash? He is a businessman. and a good one at that I would think?

He's one of the best business men of the 21st century.
Genius businessman, so was Henry Ford, and Vanderbilt, and the others from a century ago.
Like Goodell they were ruthless, evil.

Hell you stood in Henry Ford's way he'd have you killed.
He did, never got to court, but history books show what Ford was capable of.
Treated his first born Edsall like shit because he thought he was ruining his automobile empire.

Read up on FDR, Ford and Dupont, and the rest rigged elections.
Ruthless, evil, all in the name of business.

Goodell is cut from the same cloth.

[Mac4Lyfe]

We all know everything is whiteys fault.

Absolutely!!!

[stevenash]

We all know everything is whiteys fault.

Read up on Manson and what "Helter Skelter" was all about.

[Easy-Rider 66]

He's one of the best business men of the 21st century.
Genius businessman, so was Henry Ford, and Vanderbilt, and the others from a century ago.
Like Goodell they were ruthless, evil.

Hell you stood in Henry Ford's way he'd have you killed.
He did, never got to court, but history books show what Ford was capable of.
Treated his first born Edsall like shit because he thought he was ruining his automobile empire.

Read up on FDR, Ford and Dupont, and the rest rigged elections.
Ruthless, evil, all in the name of business.

Goodell is cut from the same cloth.

OK Nash thx for the take. I understand a lot of good businessman are sociopaths. Maybe Goodell is one but I would need to see the evidence before I made that statement.

[stevenash]

Absolutely!!!

Don't think I'm picking a fight with you either.
There's respect for you that I have.

Not saying I dislike you, I do not.

I'd rather you dislike me for who I am than like me for what I am not type of thing.

[ridgeway]

Thank God the Vikings new GM is a Irish guy

Look at the background of the new gm for the Vikings. The new Vikings gm is a failed Wall street guy then work for the worst franchise in the NFL (Cleveland Browns). Then the Browns let him go.

The Vikings will be in the same position in 5 years they are now.

[Mac4Lyfe]

He's one of the best business men of the 21st century.
Genius businessman, so was Henry Ford, and Vanderbilt, and the others from a century ago.

LMAO - Goodell just happened to fall on a lucky star. He's leading a global monopoly that is only popular because of the game and the players. He's had so many missteps and the only thing saving his ass is our lust for football. Same could be said for the NCAAF. These guys are not geniuses. They are quite the opposite. Now if Goodell turned Ultimate Frisbee into the top viewed sport, then he'd be a genius, great businessman.

[stevenash]

OK Nash thx for the take. I understand a lot of good businessman are sociopaths. Maybe Goodell is one but I would need to see the evidence before I made that statement.

I don't know Goodell personally either, I'm posting from what I know told to me from people that do know and whose words I trust.

[Easy-Rider 66]

I don't know Goodell personally either, I'm posting from what I know told to me from people that do know and whose words I trust.

OK Fair enough

[stevenash]

LMAO - Goodell just happened to fall on a lucky star. He's leading a global monopoly that is only popular because of the game and the players. He's had so many missteps and the only thing saving his ass is our lust for football. Same could be said for the NCAAF. These guys are not geniuses. They are quite the opposite. Now if Goodell turned Ultimate Frisbee into the top viewed sport, then he'd be a genius, great businessman.

This is where I get off Mac.
Goodell has an Ivy League advanced degree in economics.
He made the NFL so much money off his expansion ideas it's ridiculous.

I'm starting to think now the real racist is here is you.
Prove me wrong.

[Demonata]

You didn't answer any of my questions.

1. Yep, there's more white people BUT based on proportionality shouldn't there be at a minimum 3 or 4 black coaches EVERY year? Why would more white people try to be coaches when there's much more players that are black? Traditionally, most coaches come from players.

2. Did the Giants interview any WHITE candidates AFTER they hired Daboll? Yes they are dumb enough to interview several black people AFTER they offered the white guy. Which is why they are going to get sued out of their ass.

3. Please name me ANY white coach that was fired without a losing record? Please find me ANY white coach that was fired after winning 8 of their last 9 games? That is crazy pants and you know it.


Lastly, you and Brian Flores are hired help. You and him will not make the rules and will be totally reliant on the guys that run the show. Yet, for some reason, you ALWAYS side with rich wealthy (mostly white) guys who DO NOT have your best interest at heart. It's as if you think you are in their club but you will NEVER, EVER get in their club. You are just a pawn.

I answered all your questions.

1.so you believe teams shouldn't be able to decide who they want to be coach? That they should just hire a black person even if they think the white person is a better coach? There are way more white people so it's not a surprise that more white people end up trying to be coaches than black based on population. Who cares that former players try to be coaches.

2.They wont get sued. They are allowed to hire who they want.

3. What was Brian Flores record the season before he got fired? Did he make the playoffs? I look at current record not past if I was hiring or firing someone. What someone did in the past does not help me make money at the current time period.

Me and flores can get fired at any time. Yep there's always a higher up unless you own it. That is irrelevant. You are calling me a racist? Than I am calling you a racist. Saying I only side with white people when there are more white people. I side with black people I agree with like candace Owen's,Burgess owens or officer Tatum on YouTube,etc. I can make a list of black people I side with. I'm my own person. I don't need to be in any club.

[Demonata]

Absolutely!!!

Yeah because an Indian has never killed a white person.

[Cross]

In a league dominated by black athletes, it makes sense that there should be more black coaches.

[stevenash]

I'm no longer in operations (I'm an analyst now) but when I was in I/T operations I had input as to whom to hire for the computer room.
Twice I consulted with the hiring manager to hire the black applicant based solely on past history and qualifications over other white applicants.

Mac, you've given me reason in the past few pages of this thread that you may not be capable of doing the same as your judgement may be a tad too cloudy.

Not for nothing, I do believe you have a good heart.

[JIBBBY]

When things go bad after a firing it's always about race these days to blame it on if you are black. I'm not buying it. This coach is butt hurt and angry. I read the story of this guy and he wasn't talking to his own coaching staff before the firing, upset about not getting the Giants coaching job, etc.

He's a good coach but has a bad attitude..

[thetrinity]

Where are you getting this? Please name me 3 black head coaches that got fired and then hired AGAIN by an NFL team??? There's been 10 black head coaches in the history of the NFL and Dungy and Caldwell are the only 2 that got a second chance. Most black coaches get hired with a shitty team and are never heard of again. They are just stop gaps during the down years to purposely tank to get draft picks. The coach in Houston? Raw fukking deal. This is the history.

Ray Rhodes got rehired? I’m not 100 percent but I thought he was hired again. This guy was like 40 years old. Of course he gets another chance if he does good somewhere else as a DC. It’s almost impossible to get rehired right away if you get canned and have 0 playoff games on your resume, regardless of the color.

[Demonata]

Colleges are so racist. They only let certain ethnicities get some scholarships and don't allow you to get them if you are white.

[Demonata]

So if you don't hire a black coach it's racist. If you hire a black coach and fire him after he loses it's also racist. So you have to hire a black coach and hope they make the playoffs To not be racist.

Clown world!

[thetrinity]

The guy was never even a DC. You could say he skipped the line anyways. Where was the outrage when he got the job for hiring someone not qualified?

[Easy-Rider 66]

The guy was never even a DC. You could say he skipped the line anyways. Where was the outrage when he got the job for hiring someone not qualified?

Brian Flores, former defensive coordinator for the Patriots and now former head coach of the Miami Dolphins,

[thetrinity]

Brian Flores, former defensive coordinator for the Patriots and now former head coach of the Miami Dolphins,

A reporter screwed up. He was the LB coach, that fat idiot Patricia was the DC

[Easy-Rider 66]

A reporter screwed up. He was the LB coach, that fat idiot Patricia was the DC

A day after the Patriots lost Super Bowl LII to the Philadelphia Eagles, long-time assistant Matt Patricia left to become the new head coach of the Detroit Lions, and Flores would take over the Patriots' defensive playcalling duties, but was not given the title of defensive coordinator.^[3] In Flores' last game with the Patriots, Super Bowl LIII, they defeated the Los Angeles Rams 13–3 in both a rematch of Super Bowl XXXVI and the lowest-scoring Super Bowl in NFL history.

[Easy-Rider 66]

so maybe you and the reporter are both correct.

[unde0087]

Where's the outrage for lack of Asian, Middle Eastern (insert any other ethnicity) head coaches?

Jaker, come on pal. It is black month, remember? It is time to get the pitty party going again. When they say "racism" it can only be against a black person, no one else.

[thetrinity]

so maybe you and the reporter are both correct.

Ok, this stuff varies from team to team. I know the for the Steelers tomlin called the defense and Keith Butler was the defensive coordinator. It’s not always so cut and dry as the coordinator calls the plays and runs that side of the ball, even though most people assume that’s how it happens. Thanks for clearing it up.

[Easy-Rider 66]

Ok, this stuff varies from team to team. I know the for the Steelers tomlin called the defense and Keith Butler was the defensive coordinator. It’s not always so cut and dry as the coordinator calls the plays and runs that side of the ball, even though most people assume that’s how it happens. Thanks for clearing it up.

[JIBBBY]

So if you don't hire a black coach it's racist. If you hire a black coach and fire him after he loses it's also racist. So you have to hire a black coach and hope they make the playoffs To not be racist.

Clown world!

Gotta play that race card when all else fails! It's always about the color of your skin and not content of character, you know this..

[JAKEPEAVY21]

Jaker, come on pal. It is black month, remember? It is time to get the pitty party going again. When they say "racism" it can only be against a black person, no one else.

Yeah unde...sick and tired of it like many others are.

[stake1]

Any white coaches offered extra cash/bonuses to lose games?
I can see Congress calling a hearing on this. League has an antitrust exemption, but the integrity of the game? That is not part of that exemption

[TheMoneyShot]

Is it stupid to say "the best person for the job" that will increase my profits, is bad?
Maybe the people that love money, hire people that will make them richer?
Black, green, yellow or pink.......just show me a profit.
Business has no friends.

Perfect post. You say this exact phrase to a black person... they will cry racism. They automatically say.... "What??? Are you saying I'm not qualified enough based on my color to increase your profits?"

Heaven forbid.... they find out the "logical and realistic" point of view... not everyone will get the job. Including them.

[TheMoneyShot]

One Word... EEOC look it up.

Now that you mention black QBs. It reminded me when I played at UF. The clearly best scout team QB was black. When our starting QB went down and our backup QB went mental, the Gators went with a white walk on QB instead. Every player on the team, white and black could not believe it. That white walk on had a successful career and currently a head coach in college. Actually he's been head coach of 2 college teams. That black QB who was very dynamic? He transferred to Oklahoma who had another black QB that he couldn't beat out. So he became a DB and had a nice career in the NFL. That guy was very smart, got a masters degree but could not get a coaching gig anywhere. Do you know how many of those stories there are???

It was common knowledge at UF that they would not ever hire a black HC (see Charlie Strong). It took them forever to start black QBs. Most of the QBs there got converted to another position or left.

Mac... there are some topics you get absolutely blown out on because you just are liberal at everything in life. There's no merit to anything you say. Charlie Strong was passed up because he sucks. It's not based on color. The race card is so old.... you get hired based on an interview... and/or prior work experience. Has nothing to do with color.