need another gambling forum

[jjgold]

You clowns that think your coming to a gambling forum and going to see gambling threads, ect are just not that experienced in the field of forums. It generates zero interest because most guys not into gambling tech type talk and would become boring and dead.. Secondly there is just not enough gambling topics to talk about and it gets old in one week.

SBR Forum has a fine mix of everything

[head_strong]

All the serious cappers with knowledge have left. We only have jjgold, Fishhead and Nicky Santoro as the only sharps who post serious gambling related topics.

lol this place is a lot worse off then I originally thought....jj is currently on a 10 game losing streak, Fishhead is out digging in dumpsters, guess that leaves Nicky.

[pico]

You clowns that think your coming to a gambling forum and going to see gambling threads, ect are just not that experienced in the field of forums. It generates zero interest because most guys not into gambling tech type talk and would become boring and dead.. Secondly there is just not enough gambling topics to talk about and it gets old in one week.

SBR Forum has a fine mix of everything

that is why handicapping think tank is so dead right now. only so much kelly that you can talk about.

[Bread]

I think SBR has a great mix of sports gambling talk and entertainment. The combination help keep people checking in and posting all day, as opposed to just game time.

But then again, I get paid $5 per post, and I'm also one of those idiots ruining the place.

Everyone just relax.

[Fishhead]

Why handicap when one can scalp/middle/bonus whore?

Why?.......EGOS

[jjgold]

I love when a guy comes in here ripping the place, do they think Bread and SBR are going to overturn the place because of this post. I guess criticism us good though and Darker was positive.

[SBR_John]

There are a lottt more gaming posts during the sports season, Sept thru March.

Thanks for the suggestions on the invite only forum. I just can't warm up to what amounts to an elite'ish forum. Although I am not against it either especially if it was unmonitored by SBR, hence, monitored by the elite members. Its hard enough to fairly moderate us common folks much less a group of semi-elites. BTW, the SBR Handicapper Forum is more tightly monitored than Players Talk. Its a great forum and close to what you are asking for. When football starts it will really rock.

[KC]

theinsideslant.com is an excellent site and forum

[Fishhead]

There are 193 gambling forums..........for Christsakes.

[BestPlay2day]

I would believe that once football starts we will see more useful gambling threads. I bet more football and NBA and don't bet much baseball so I enjoy the contests and off topic threads during the slow betting season which is the summer.

[Dark Horse]

There are a lottt more gaming posts during the sports season, Sept thru March.

Thanks for the suggestions on the invite only forum. I just can't warm up to what amounts to an elite'ish forum. Although I am not against it either especially if it was unmonitored by SBR, hence, monitored by the elite members. Its hard enough to fairly moderate us common folks much less a group of semi-elites. BTW, the SBR Handicapper Forum is more tightly monitored than Players Talk. Its a great forum and close to what you are asking for. When football starts it will really rock.

It's not about being elite, but about closing things off from prying eyes. This allows members to be much more creative and open in researching and discussing new/experimental angles. That can create a very positive and sharing dynamic. The type of dynamic that makes everybody involved better.

The way you have it now, nothing original can be explored or discussed (because everybody is reading along), and guys who could be doing something much more interesting end up talking about nothing but their dicks. Is that what non-elitist is all about, John?

[SBR Lou]

i got a solution to your problem. a lot of reputable forums has exclusive sections. regular member cannot even access it unless they got approval from at least 3 current members. it is sort like a country club system.

i think sbr john should create a serious talk group for a selected few and you guys can pick and choose who you let in based on their posts in the main forum.

Wouldn't work.

"The chase is better than the catch."

People will lobby for "Private" forums, invites to "exclusive sections", but once actually in there nobody will divulge any more "top secret" handicapping gems than they would in a Think Tank or anywhere else.

Fact is, beating books (aside from bonus whoring, this or that) is not easy work. If you know of a goose that lays a golden egg, why would you post that? You wouldn't.

I love the discussion though, even the complaints, but let's be realistic- the idea of a 'perfect', 'all sharing', 'gathering of top handicapping minds' is great, but simply unrealistic. Think Tank is a great forum and if people want to divulge real methods then that's awesome, but let's not act like another "private" forum is the answer to elicit those contributions.

[HedgeHog]

It's not about being elite, but about closing things off from prying eyes. This allows members to be much more creative and open in researching and discussing new/experimental angles. That can create a very positive and sharing dynamic. The type of dynamic that makes everybody involved better.

The way you have it now, nothing original can be explored or discussed (because everybody is reading along), and guys who could be doing something much more interesting end up talking about nothing but their dicks. Is that what non-elitist is all about, John?

I agree with much of what you're saying, but think about it. The same site which has Ganch and JJ Gold chooses to use the latter as its selling point. Think Tank is a ghost town while Players Talk Forum is constantly busy--although I believe some have multiple accounts and are basically talking, and playing, with themselves.

Best to use the SBR lines and converse elsewhere, IMO. That's the way I'm leaning, especially since S & I Forum is now being littered by more and more moronic threads. Some idiot wants to know the best F Book out there...go figure! Others promote Sportsbook.com because they haven't stolen in a few months. The idiotic topics tend to spill over from P.T. That's just the way it is and it sells with the younger crowd.

[Robust]

I agree with much of what you're saying, but think about it. The same site which has Ganch and JJ Gold chooses to use the latter as its selling point. Think Tank is a ghost town while Players Talk Forum is constantly busy--although I believe some have multiple accounts and are basically talking, and playing, with themselves.

Best to use the SBR lines and converse elsewhere, IMO. That's the way I'm leaning, especially since S & I Forum is now being littered by more and more moronic threads. Some idiot wants to know the best F Book out there...go figure! Others promote Sportsbook.com because they haven't stolen in a few months. The idiotic topics tend to spill over from P.T. That's just the way it is and it sells with the younger crowd.

now that's just plain FUNNY!!! come on now.. lossen up.. you did know it was a joke, right???

[jjgold]

Everyone has their opinions, SBR has something for everyone.

Welcome to SBR and enjoy your stay

[HedgeHog]

now that's just plain FUNNY!!! come on now.. lossen up.. you did know it was a joke, right???

Yes I do. My point was that the topic belongs solely in Players Talk, not S & I as well.

[Robust]

now that's just plain FUNNY!!! come on now.. lossen up.. you did know it was a joke, right???

oh.. and lets not forget dumpster diving and having sex with your own avatar.. i mean.. come on!! this is funny stuff!!

Robust

[intel1]

A good forum for serious capping discussion IMO is **************dotcom. I haven't registered there but look around quite often. I think it's closer to what ur looking for. GL.

[HedgeHog]

Not familiar with *****************.com

[Dark Horse]

I agree with much of what you're saying, but think about it. The same site which has Ganch and JJ Gold chooses to use the latter as its selling point. Think Tank is a ghost town while Players Talk Forum is constantly busy--although I believe some have multiple accounts and are basically talking, and playing, with themselves.

Best to use the SBR lines and converse elsewhere, IMO. That's the way I'm leaning, especially since S & I Forum is now being littered by more and more moronic threads. Some idiot wants to know the best F Book out there...go figure! Others promote Sportsbook.com because they haven't stolen in a few months. The idiotic topics tend to spill over from P.T. That's just the way it is and it sells with the younger crowd.

SBR totally missed the boat with the forum. Yes, the think tank is dead. Because nobody takes this place serious anymore. Oh, Ganch and Justin will post there sometimes. They work for SBR! They have to 'show up' sometimes... lol

Imagine if this forum had even tried for the level of SBR lines, tools, or the sportsbookreviews. This place could have been sharp, cool, trendy, rock 'n' roll, the best hangout around town. But it's none of those things. Maybe it's just me, but I don't think people acting like trolls is very interesting. It's become the 'way' of this place. Everybody here is capable of being far more interesting, but they come here to be trolls.

[durito]

The intelligence level in players talk is pretty obvious when the most posted thread is the John Morrison crap. But, otherwise it's fun to bs there.

I'm not really sure what you want is possible DH. SBR is a business, they make money when players sign up and LOSE to sportsbooks. Therefore they need to have something to attract that type of gambler.

[The General]

The only way to assure what you are looking for with that last post, Dark, is to ban and remove all else minus the sport gambling talk, then you run into censorship issues which will ruin the forum much quicker than anything else. I, too, in my capacity at other forums in the last many years tried to dictate the direction more so what you are looking for, but it was in no way possible with the lead battle on these sites being traffic. Sincerely.

[Dark Horse]

Durito, I understand what you're saying. And General, no banning and stuff like that.

I believe each forum has its own 'tendency' to go in a certain direction. And the overall tendency is made up by the majority of posters.

However, I believe that the majority of posters at this time is not reflective of the true SBR audience. And I know that because in last years BTP contest there was a very high percentage of players picking over 55% ATS. And they were not the players filling up these pages...

So my question is: why aren't those players posting here? And my suggestion is: because the environment created here is not what they're looking for.

So let there be no confusion about it. SBR could have had a forum of sharp players. And so what if that had been behind closed doors? The whole elite argument makes absolutely no sense. We know that, with the elitist argument in place, the great majority of those guys aren't posting here. But do we know, with certainty, that they wouldn't be interested in a much more refined part of a forum?

If that is not in SBR's business interest, fine. If that is the case, just say so. But, if that is the case, where it comes to the forum side, stop acting as if you're any better than places like EOG and Therx. Because all these places are is one big advertising money grab. If there was a conscious decision to attract losing players, then the insistence on only allowing reliable books to advertise here is suddenly little more than a gimmick. What the hell does it matter if they lose at a A book or a F book?

[pavyracer]

jjgold destroyed SBR for serious gamblers. The sooner you realize it the sooner you quit venturing in players talk.

[Dark Horse]

JJ is not the problem. He's just one guy and he's being himself. It's all the JJ-wannabees that are the problem. In a smaller country JJ may have had his own tv-show. He's entertaining. But to who? If he was on tv what would be his target audience? I would say mostly fifteen year old kids. He would easily be their hero.

[Flying Dutchman]

DH, are you so dense as to NOT have figgered out that there are other sub-forums here at SBR that deal with each sport and post very good information?

I posted in this thread 3 fvking other forums where the fvking Vegas sharps hang out, and you seem to not have even read that.

You are bitching just to bitch...bitch.

[SPECULATOR 13]

=Dark Horse;2079102
because they provide so much more than just a forum.

I'm critical of the direction of the forum, though. SBR has such a wealth of sharp insight, but instead of choosing that direction, it chose the exact opposite for the forum, which each year has become more dumbed down. This forum has zero class. Absolutely none. The people who stood for class have either left, or have become very quiet. What a missed opportunity at creating something meaningful.

Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be anything better out there.


SBR is A across the board, but the forum is F. So here we are. Vast internet, and not one place to exchange thoughts in a meaningful way about sports betting.

DH you have said a mouth full and i had to condense it to just a few line in order to supply a semi-coherent reply,you are bang on,however,IMO things are SLOWLY getting better.I remember when i first got in back in Aug.07 the place was just perfect.There was a lot of very informative talk,stimulating and interesting threads and a lot of kidding around,things where just great.The right mix of fun and smart talk,all done with class and MATURITY.
Than one day in and around oct-dec of that year things f*ck-up in hurry with all sorts of little sh*thead losers (still leaving at home in their mid to late 30's)getting into pointless and juvenile keyboard pissing contest over nonsense to such a extent that by April 08 i pull away and became quiet as you said.
Nonetheless i still every morning check both the players talk and sportsbook industry talk just in case.... because as you so accurately point it out "they provide so much more than just a forum".
SBR is STILL the absolute best forum on the net,no one comes even close,
EOG-THRX-RTP ect. are all dead,there is no body there.
I think the guys in the front office are starting to get the message and i think they are trying to put everything back to where it once was.
So hang in there old chum,i am sure that your accurate and constructive criticism hasn't gone on deft ears

[Sforz]

the sharps hang out in chat.. sbrchat.com

[Dark Horse]

DH, are you so dense as to NOT have figgered out that there are other sub-forums here at SBR that deal with each sport and post very good information?

I posted in this thread 3 fvking other forums where the fvking Vegas sharps hang out, and you seem to not have even read that.

You are bitching just to bitch...bitch.

You sure know a lot. For someone who's been here 2+ months.

[The General]

A vast majority of serious pro gamblers are busy looking for wagers [working] and spending their monies on a good time and/or investing their monies into other money making ventures. They do not desire, need nor really have the time to hang out in such a social setting daily to discuss what they do to maintain their status as a professional bettor or financial success. Also, the pissing matches [name calling] that takes place is indeed a big turn off and in many cases insults their maturity level. Taking time to exchange posted messages to strangers is a waste of their time. Time in which the businessman/successful gambler can be dwelling into many other ventures that have more appeal to their living styles. Many of these types do consider themselves businessmen and in the real blue/white collar world, the top businessmen often do not even keep their own schedule, let alone take the time to share their strategies to the public via posting.

[Dark Horse]

SBR is STILL the absolute best forum on the net,no one comes even close,
EOG-THRX-RTP ect. are all dead,there is no body there.
I think the guys in the front office are starting to get the message and i think they are trying to put everything back to where it once was.
So hang in there old chum,i am sure that your accurate and constructive criticism hasn't gone on deft ears

Let's hope so.

I think the decision was made that it had to be quantity over quality. So the guys looking for quality are going to have a harder time combing through all the sh*t to find a rare gem. The question to me is at what point that is no longer worth the effort. I'm pretty close to that point, but I have too many good memories of this place to let it go without at least putting up a fight.

To some of us sports betting = investing = business = war. And the first requirement is discipline. Without discipline a player has no chance. So why would I want to walk into a place that oozes a complete lack of discipline? A place where people proudly share their 'war stories' of pissing in public pools. I'm sorry if I don't get how cool that is, but player's talk it ain't. It's loser's talk. At the very least move this crap to the bottom of the page.

[unknown Gambler]

This forum is here to make money,and in order to do that, they need the average square,strickly intelligent gambling theory is not going to cut it and is a dieing breed on most sports forums.

So you see sharp guys like DH are having problems with the dumbing up of the forum where as SBR needs this type of poster to survive.

SBR has already diverted my suggestions to DH as to where he may find the type of forum content he is looking for.

I understand where your coming from DH, there are basically 2 choices, deal with the dumbing down of the board or leave to be with others whose interest and goals are the same as yours.

DH,If YOU GO TO THE PROMOTIONS SUB FORUM YOU WILL SEE THEY DIVERTED MY SUGGESTION TO YOU ABOUT A DECENT SITE THAT MIGHT BE UP YOUR ALLEY, SCHROLL DOWN TILL YOU SEE THIS THREAD WITH THE WORD DIVERTED NEXT TO IT.

BOL either way.

[armyoflovers]

You know you guys are right, I come here to get the upper hand on the sportbooks and instead some posters bombard this site with foul-smelling, vile bullshit that has no place on a site meant to promote the values of sportbetting. I dont want to hear whether some dude should shave is asshole or not. Jesus. Whats this world coming too....

[Flying Dutchman]

You know you guys are right, I come here to get the upper hand on the sportbooks and instead some posters bombard this site with foul-smelling, vile bullshit that has no place on a site meant to promote the values of sportbetting. I dont want to hear whether some dude should shave is asshole or not. Jesus. Whats this world coming too....

He, he...he said values....he, he, snarf, drool.

[Tchocky]

You're absolutely right, Dark Horse. I used to spend a lot of time on this message board but have really lost interest.