Is this a Joke? Nationals are FAVORITES?

Madetowin · 07-20-09, 11:52 AM

guys i just saw the score. Im ALL IN on the Nats !!!!!

Rich Boy · 07-20-09, 11:56 AM

Rich Boy · 07-20-09, 11:58 AM

That is the Accuscore game preview, just if anyone wanted to know...

They actually have Martin pitching a better game than Hernandez. They also have Nationals pen out pitching Mets pen, which is impossible.

Panekkkk · 07-20-09, 12:09 PM

The majority is on the Under and the line keeps creeping higher... What am I missing. I think I'm gonna lay on the U. It feels like a trap but I expect Hernandez to play well.

louis.ana · 07-20-09, 12:17 PM

I am on the Mets +118

Sam Odom · 07-20-09, 12:17 PM

Originally posted by louis.ana

I am on the Mets +118

Good call, IMO

ManOfValue · 07-20-09, 12:20 PM

I felt the same way when I first saw the line ; BUT , I don't trust Livan Hernandez for crap , Mets are not scoring and the Nats are on a five game losing streak...I think the Nats can get 5 runs today , so do you think the Mets can score more than that ?

DwightShrute · 07-20-09, 12:42 PM

Hernadez sucks and Mets do also latley. Nationals romp in this one. 10-4

Wash -1½+165 or Wash -2½+250 are worthy considerations

Panekkkk · 07-20-09, 01:05 PM

Hernandez may suck but what you guys are forgetting is how certain pitchers perform against certain teams/in certain ballparks. These trends are very strong and often persist. Hernandez is is 2-0 with a 0.56 ERA against the Nationals this year, and he's won each of his last seven starts against them for four different teams dating back to Sept. 13, 2006.

If anyone knows how to pitch against the Nats in that ballpark it's Hernandez. Other examples = Moyer vs. the Marlins recently, Lester vs. the Jays, all these games under under under.

In Livan's last 10 starts, the total has gone over 9.5 only 3 times ... against the Dodgers, Yankees, and Pirates. With the exception of the Pirates, the Nationals are not the Dodgers or the Yankees.

Panekkkk · 07-20-09, 01:10 PM

Booked the under 10 lol convinced myself.

pimike · 07-20-09, 01:15 PM

Originally posted by Panekkkk

Hernandez may suck but what you guys are forgetting is how certain pitchers perform against certain teams/in certain ballparks. These trends are very strong and often persist. Hernandez is is 2-0 with a 0.56 ERA against the Nationals this year, and he's won each of his last seven starts against them for four different teams dating back to Sept. 13, 2006.

If anyone knows how to pitch against the Nats in that ballpark it's Hernandez. Other examples = Moyer vs. the Marlins recently, Lester vs. the Jays, all these games under under under.

In Livan's last 10 starts, the total has gone over 9.5 only 3 times ... against the Dodgers, Yankees, and Pirates. With the exception of the Pirates, the Nationals are not the Dodgers or the Yankees.

All Mets stats mean nothing when your dealing with a depleted team.

Nats sweeps

Beastxxx · 07-20-09, 01:31 PM

Gonna take the Nats when the line gets higher they are due for a win.
Also teams never do well when they havent seen a pitcher before.

Don't follow me though I am not a capper. I dunno baseball, Bo does...

Panekkkk · 07-20-09, 02:25 PM

Originally posted by pimike

All Mets stats mean nothing when your dealing with a depleted team.

Nats sweeps

That's the point. I'm not looking at sides, looking at totals. Livan's stats with a depleted Mets team are heavily favouring the under. His last 2 starts have been brutal which explains the line at 10. I look to him to bounce back against a team that he completely dominates. Mets might lose but no more than 8 runs will be scored in this one.

ManOfValue · 07-20-09, 02:32 PM

Panekkkk , I like to go against such stats , maybe I'm making a mistake..But I tihink about this way...What if I walk home every day from school and get beat up by some bully , I can't avoid him and he already beat me up 3 times...How badly do I wanna beat him the next time we meet.....

sassbud · 07-20-09, 02:44 PM

Goofy line, taking the nats.

bettilimbroke999 · 07-20-09, 02:45 PM

The Mets have absolutely no offense left, they've suffered more injuries than is even possible

Delgado out, Beltran out, Reyes out, even one of their better pitching prospects got hurt last game, if David Wright goes out I would take a little league team against them

Make no mistake this is not the Mets this is like the double A Mets affiliate

Panekkkk · 07-20-09, 02:53 PM

Originally posted by ManOfValue

Panekkkk , I like to go against such stats , maybe I'm making a mistake..But I tihink about this way...What if I walk home every day from school and get beat up by some bully , I can't avoid him and he already beat me up 3 times...How badly do I wanna beat him the next time we meet.....

This isn't your everyday trend. There's something not right about the lines, yes. But when a pitcher has a team's number, he has their number. If you went against this notion you would have lost a lot of money the past few weeks. Trends are trends because they persist. It's never wise to make plays only based on trends, but for a trend to even exist, means that it continued producing (e.g., if a trend is 10-2, that means it was once 9-2, and was once 8-2, and so on).

I'm going against a trend here. Hernandez has been downright terrible his past two starts. But those starts were against the Dodgers and the Phillies. I think he rebounds against a team that he pitches well against and so the total goes under 10. It's a small play for me. We'll see what happens in a few hours

Rich Boy · 07-20-09, 03:05 PM

You guys are forgetting how bad the Nats are, they dont CARE, they have nothing to play for...

Watch 1 Nats game and you will see this team is not worthy of playing in the majors...

Mets at plus money is good enough for me.

Wilforth · 07-20-09, 03:17 PM

Pass

bettilimbroke999 · 07-20-09, 03:26 PM

Ya gotta have somebody well enough to swing the bat, Mets have nobody left except Wright, walk him 4 times and you just shutdown the Mets offense

pavyracer · 07-20-09, 03:27 PM

Originally posted by bettilimbroke999

Ya gotta have somebody well enough to swing the bat, Mets have nobody left except Wright, walk him 4 times and you just shutdown the Mets offense

This is what the Braves did over the weekend.

hoopster42 · 07-20-09, 03:28 PM

oh my this might end badly

james4512 · 07-20-09, 03:35 PM

mets line up is beat up but come on they still have plenty of hitters way more than the nats have. At plus money for the better team in the long run you will make money so taking the mets is a no brainer

CashMoney · 07-20-09, 03:37 PM

I wouldn't place action on this game even if I was playing with money that wasn't mine.

bettilimbroke999 · 07-20-09, 03:56 PM

Mets have Wright and Castillo, they are missing Beltran, Delgado, Reyes and Sheffield, even the Nats horrific pitching will probably be able to shut 1 great hitter, 1 decent hitter and 7 pitchers down, I got a feeling the Nats are gonna empty alot of wallets tonight with ppl just betting on the Mets bc they're plus odds vs the Nats without realizing all their decent players are at the strip club while the Nats have a full lineup of decent hitters and only suck bc they pitch underhanded (also this is a rookie pitcher for the Nats first game who knows how he'll pitch but he can't be any worse than their usual pitching)

Rich Boy · 07-20-09, 03:59 PM

Nats rarely bring their A-game (and even that is garbage). Mets need wins to stay in the mix...

Look at the Cubs, they are pretty crappy on the road, yet they come in and destroy the Nats. Same thing with the Mets, they are slumping and this is a great opportunity for them to get some easy wins.

But the more I look at this game, the more I like UNDER 9 +124 (matchbook)
Seems like a gift, im laying 2 units on that.

bettilimbroke999 · 07-20-09, 04:02 PM

Under sounds much better than Mets, could very easily see this being a low scoring game but I'm getting killed in baseball so will prolly be 20-19

yisman · 07-20-09, 04:05 PM

Originally posted by bobbyfk

Martin is 8-3 with a 2.66 ERA at Syracuse. Not bad but we find it extremely hard to recommend any pitcher for the Nationals, let alone someone making their big league debut. Although he's likely to start twice during Week 16 (July 20-26), don't use him in anything but the deepest of NL-only formats.

are you copying from sportsline.com without attributing the information?

yisman · 07-20-09, 04:10 PM

Originally posted by Panekkkk

Hernandez may suck but what you guys are forgetting is how certain pitchers perform against certain teams/in certain ballparks. These trends are very strong and often persist. Hernandez is is 2-0 with a 0.56 ERA against the Nationals this year, and he's won each of his last seven starts against them for four different teams dating back to Sept. 13, 2006.

If anyone knows how to pitch against the Nats in that ballpark it's Hernandez. Other examples = Moyer vs. the Marlins recently, Lester vs. the Jays, all these games under under under.

Ervin Santana against the A's.

jjgold · 07-20-09, 04:13 PM

Mets are a bad team and should be favored against no one

hoopster42 · 07-20-09, 04:14 PM

Originally posted by yisman

are you copying from sportsline.com without attributing the information?

busted!

SamsNCharge99 · 07-20-09, 04:22 PM

under

obamaismyuncle · 07-20-09, 04:31 PM

Originally posted by jjgold

Mets are a bad team and should be favored against no one

Unless they are playing the Nationals at home and have Santana pitching.

wangichu · 07-20-09, 05:20 PM

Originally posted by Wilforth

Pass

exactly

yisman · 07-20-09, 06:08 PM

I'll pass. Mixed feelings on this one.

Would lean Mets and under.