Los Angeles Kings Acquire Ryan Smyth!

[VegasDave]

For
D Kyle Quincey
D Tom Preissing
5th round pick (2010)

Scoring LW they needed

[BobHarvey]

Who got the better of the deal?

[VegasDave]

Kings by a mile.

Colorado signed Smyth to a VERY large contract owing him 6.75 million a year/5 years a few years back. Now they are in salary cap trouble and had to get out of cap hell by trading him.

The Kings meanwhile were about 10 mil under the cap, so they could easily afford the big contract. They gave up;

D Kyle Quincey - Good young D man, but only one full season under his belt so still "unproven". Had major back surgery this offseason. Wish him nothing but the best.
D Tom Preissing - Overpaid player that couldn't even crack the team last year, suffered from vertigo. Played in the minors.
5th round pick - Virtually nothing, will be something like the 135th overall pick.

In return, the Kings get a gritty, hard worker that is full of heart and can still put a puck in the net too. Some Kings fans are calling this "Our Pau Gasol trade".

From the Avalanche Message board:

"OH MY GOD

Kyle Quincey, D Tom Priessing and a 5th round pick?????? WOW"

"Wow we got boned on that trade, Sherman can go *** himself."

"OMG WE GOT NOTHING"

"This sucks."

"wowwww we could have got like at least jack johnson but no we always have to be screwed up when we do deals....why in the hell we know that the fans and the ppl in the management don't...good job sherman, nice start!!! wowww just can't believe this!"

[BobHarvey]

Good stuff. So the Kings looking more like a playoff team in '10

[VegasDave]

Good stuff. So the Kings looking more like a playoff team in '10

Yep... no one around here takes my opinion on the Kings seriously because they think I'm "just a fan", but I thought they were a 50/50 shot to make the playoffs before this trade. After it, its looking a lot more like 70/30.

Love the +5500 you can still get them at to win the cup. They WON'T win the cup next year, but hedging opportunities galore with that ticket.

[element1286]

I don't much like Smyth's contract, but Preissing wasn't playing, and Quincey is a nobody who had a good half season. Very good deal for the Kings. Smyth will be a good locker room presence, and almost be a co-captain with Dustin Brown. Can't really put a dollar value on that type of stuff.

I think this puts the Kings over the top as far as making the playoffs, Dave.

[VegasDave]

I don't much like Smyth's contract, but Preissing wasn't playing, and Quincey is a nobody who had a good half season. Very good deal for the Kings. Smyth will be a good locker room presence, and almost be a co-captain with Dustin Brown. Can't really put a dollar value on that type of stuff.

I think this puts the Kings over the top as far as making the playoffs, Dave.

Smyth's contract is indeed BRUTAL, but getting Preissing off the books helped with that alot, and the Kings could certainly afford it. By the time most of the kids in our system are due for raises in a few years, Smyth's current contract will be running out.

You hit the nail on the head with the intangibles. He can teach a guy like Brown how to be a better powerforward and how to lead the team. The Kings had good veterans on the back end, but up front Handzus and Williams were the closest they had. Smyth is a bonafide leader and even when he's not scoring he'll be hitting and working hard, which will hopefully rub off on the kids.

[blittydeuce]

They could have had Hossa for $1.5 million less.......

If Smyth gives Kings 70/30 chance of making it them I guess Lupul gives the Ducks a 90/10 chance to make it lol

[TheIntegrityKid]

where's flyers? thought he loved to talk hockey wit you

minkus, get over here and talk some hockey with dave!

[VegasDave]

They could have had Hossa for $1.5 million less.......

If Smyth gives Kings 70/30 chance of making it them I guess Lupul gives the Ducks a 90/10 chance to make it lol

You and your anti-king shit is getting ridiculous blitty.

First of all, Lombardi pushed HARD to get Hossa, he didn't want to come here. So it goes. http://www.insidesocal.com/kings/200...-1-quotes.html

Secondly, Hossa was signed to a 12 year contract, Smyth is only on board for another three.

The Ducks were already very likely to make the playoffs... what does Lupul to the Ducks have to do with Smyth to the Kings?

Honestly man.

[onthewhat]

LOL, Dave gets depressed when a rival fan smack talks?

Dave has severe depression problems -450 yes

[KingRevolver]

I'm going crazy. I see all this King shit and I think people are talking shit about me! Even though I already know it's about the Kings. I really need this vacation coming up. Oh man.

[KingRevolver]

LOL, Dave gets depressed when a rival fan smack talks?

Dave has severe depression problems -450 yes

2 grand, please

[element1286]

They could have had Hossa for $1.5 million less.......

If Smyth gives Kings 70/30 chance of making it them I guess Lupul gives the Ducks a 90/10 chance to make it lol

I hate Lupul, one of the biggest pussies in the league.

[DwightShrute]

I think it works for LA. They have a lot of young talent and if they can gell, can surprise some this year.

[blittydeuce]

You and your anti-king shit is getting ridiculous blitty.

First of all, Lombardi pushed HARD to get Hossa, he didn't want to come here. So it goes. http://www.insidesocal.com/kings/200...-1-quotes.html

Secondly, Hossa was signed to a 12 year contract, Smyth is only on board for another three.

The Ducks were already very likely to make the playoffs... what does Lupul to the Ducks have to do with Smyth to the Kings?

Honestly man.

Relax Dave, I like the pick up and give props that you guys barely gave up anything to acquire Smyth.....I just found it comical at the percentage differences you stated for them to make the playoffs by just the addition of Smyth...I assure you im not anti-king...long live hockey in SoCal

I hate Lupul, one of the biggest pussies in the league.

Whats your reasoning behind that element?....Or did Flyers09 hijack your account, sounds like a comment he would make

[element1286]

Whats your reasoning behind that element?....Or did Flyers09 hijack your account, sounds like a comment he would make

Just the way he carries himself on the ice, I dunno maybe because he was a Flyer, and in general I hate everyone on the Flyers.

[VegasDave]

Relax Dave, I like the pick up and give props that you guys barely gave up anything to acquire Smyth.....I just found it comical at the percentage differences you stated for them to make the playoffs by just the addition of Smyth...I assure you im not anti-king...long live hockey in SoCal

Ah, sorry I misread... thought you were ripping on the Smyth trade, not my stupid percentages.

My percentages were indeed stupid/baseless... carry on

[VegasDave]

LOL, Dave gets depressed when a rival fan smack talks?

Dave has severe depression problems -450 yes

LOL, onthewhat obsesses over an internet mod that he's never met (follows him thread to thread, features him in his signature, and talks shit about him nonstop in chat) and a numbers guy he's never met (defends him in every thread, starts 30+ threads for him, goes on for hours about him in chat)

onthewhat has severe social retardation and obsession issues -900 yes

[tullamore]

LOL, onthewhat obsesses over an internet mod that he's never met (follows him thread to thread, features him in his signature, and talks shit about him nonstop in chat) and a numbers guy he's never met (defends him in every thread, starts 30+ threads for him, goes on for hours about him in chat)

onthewhat has severe social retardation and obsession issues -900 yes

Dave is there a limit for the yes.

[lakerboy]

vegas dave- always praying for his kings- ryan smyth was good 6 years ago- handzus and smyth lol lol lol lol- put hexy in goal and you win the cup

[VegasDave]

vegas dave- always praying for his kings- ryan smyth was good 6 years ago- handzus and smyth lol lol lol lol- put hexy in goal and you win the cup

Smyth scored 26 goals last year

Find me the part where I said he would dominate this year... all I said was that he was a nice fit and a scoring left winger. How is that praying?

[onthewhat]

[lakerboy]

Smyth scored 26 goals last year

Find me the part where I said he would dominate this year... all I said was that he was a nice fit and a scoring left winger. How is that praying?

what is a scoring left winger dave you hockey genius. smyth played for a crap team last year where he was one of few guys that can score- so are you saying that la is crap and that he will be doing the same for you or are you saying that la is going to get better and he will get 20 goals tops. guy your team is desperate to pay that much money for a guy who already scored his only important goals of his life in edmonton. and you are praying if you think he will do anything worhtwhile in la

[VegasDave]

what is a scoring left winger dave you hockey genius. smyth played for a crap team last year where he was one of few guys that can score- so are you saying that la is crap and that he will be doing the same for you or are you saying that la is going to get better and he will get 20 goals tops. guy your team is desperate to pay that much money for a guy who already scored his only important goals of his life in edmonton. and you are praying if you think he will do anything worhtwhile in la

Wow. I stand corrected.

[VegasDave]

what is a scoring left winger dave you hockey genius. smyth played for a crap team last year where he was one of few guys that can score- so are you saying that la is crap and that he will be doing the same for you or are you saying that la is going to get better and he will get 20 goals tops. guy your team is desperate to pay that much money for a guy who already scored his only important goals of his life in edmonton. and you are praying if you think he will do anything worhtwhile in la

You want to call me a hockey genius?

Find me a single article that says the Colorado Avalanche got the better end of this deal. While your at it, go check all the Los Angeles Kings boards/news sites that are elated and all of the Colorado Avalanche boards/news sites that feel like they are the victims of highway robbery.

You want to rip on the Kings and say they aren't a playoff team next year. That's fine. Here's a few places where you should start.

- Kyle Quincey was the quarterback of the team's second powerplay unit. With him gone, you have Doughty, Stoll, and Johnson who can play the point on the PP. Who will fill this hole?
- Justin Williams is being counted on to be a 1st line right winger and a 30 goal contributor. He hasn't been healthy in 3 years. What's to say his injury woes won't continue, or he won't have trouble finding his old stride?
- We have a 2nd-year goaltender in Jonathan Quick. While he was strong last year, he is unproven, and now teams have a scouting report on him and may exploit weaknesses. If this happens, the Kings don't have a veteren netminder to fall back on.

You bring up ANY of these valid points, and you have my respect. Instead, you decide to bash a guy nicknamed Captain Canada as he is one of the most respected players in the league, a true warrior. NO ONE said he is what he used to be. But he is the 2nd LW on this team behind Frolov, and a 2nd liner that can score 25 goals but much more importantly be a great on and off ice leader to the team is valuable. This isn't me making shit up here; like I said, go find a single article backing you up that he is washed up and the Kings didn't get the better end of the deal.

No witty retorts. No bullshit. Go find something to back you up other than baseless speculation, and then report back. Thanks.

[lakerboy]

You want to call me a hockey genius?

Find me a single article that says the Colorado Avalanche got the better end of this deal. While your at it, go check all the Los Angeles Kings boards/news sites that are elated and all of the Colorado Avalanche boards/news sites that feel like they are the victims of highway robbery.

You want to rip on the Kings and say they aren't a playoff team next year. That's fine. Here's a few places where you should start.

- Kyle Quincey was the quarterback of the team's second powerplay unit. With him gone, you have Doughty, Stoll, and Johnson who can play the point on the PP. Who will fill this hole?
- Justin Williams is being counted on to be a 1st line right winger and a 30 goal contributor. He hasn't been healthy in 3 years. What's to say his injury woes won't continue, or he won't have trouble finding his old stride?
- We have a 2nd-year goaltender in Jonathan Quick. While he was strong last year, he is unproven, and now teams have a scouting report on him and may exploit weaknesses. If this happens, the Kings don't have a veteren netminder to fall back on.

You bring up ANY of these valid points, and you have my respect. Instead, you decide to bash a guy nicknamed Captain Canada as he is one of the most respected players in the league, a true warrior. NO ONE said he is what he used to be. But he is the 2nd LW on this team behind Frolov, and a 2nd liner that can score 25 goals but much more importantly be a great on and off ice leader to the team is valuable. This isn't me making shit up here; like I said, go find a single article backing you up that he is washed up and the Kings didn't get the better end of the deal.

No witty retorts. No bullshit. Go find something to back you up other than baseless speculation, and then report back. Thanks.

dave have you shown me an article that backs up he will prove all the nosnense you say- kid grow up do you look at boards and forums for all of your proof(as you say)- i am so done with you- your a kings fan that has no sense of reality. when are judgements on deals in articles until later on- guy get a clue the kings wont be int he playoffs this year while you lose weight. its so sad that you get excited by the kings making a deal for a washed up forward while the islander fans didnt give a shit they got him when they did. you know what the islanders will be better before the kings vegasking.

[VegasDave]

dave have you shown me an article that backs up he will prove all the nosnense you say- kid grow up do you look at boards and forums for all of your proof(as you say)- i am so done with you- your a kings fan that has no sense of reality. when are judgements on deals in articles until later on- guy get a clue the kings wont be int he playoffs this year while you lose weight. its so sad that you get excited by the kings making a deal for a washed up forward while the islander fans didnt give a shit they got him when they did. you know what the islanders will be better before the kings vegasking.

This all, of course, coming from a guy who has "I love to start shit with everyone" as his signature. I am excited about one thing though...

i am so done with you-

Good! I'm looking forward to not seeing you in my threads anymore, since you are done with me.

[element1286]

what is a scoring left winger dave you hockey genius. smyth played for a crap team last year where he was one of few guys that can score- so are you saying that la is crap and that he will be doing the same for you or are you saying that la is going to get better and he will get 20 goals tops. guy your team is desperate to pay that much money for a guy who already scored his only important goals of his life in edmonton. and you are praying if you think he will do anything worhtwhile in la

He is overpaid at 6.5 million. But the Kings unloaded a pretty bad contract (Tom Preissing) in return, and gave up nothing of real value to the Avalanche. The Kings are far under the salary cap, so it really isn't a big deal if the overpay one person. If he scores 20 goals, and gets 50-60 points, and provides veteran leadership it is a fine addition. What is the downside of this deal? How would Smyth's salary be better allocated?

[lakerboy]

He is overpaid at 6.5 million. But the Kings unloaded a pretty bad contract (Tom Preissing) in return, and gave up nothing of real value to the Avalanche. The Kings are far under the salary cap, so it really isn't a big deal if the overpay one person. If he scores 20 goals, and gets 50-60 points, and provides veteran leadership it is a fine addition. What is the downside of this deal? How would Smyth's salary be better allocated?

by not acquiring him whcih seems to be a novel concept to people from this thread

[element1286]

by not acquiring him whcih seems to be a novel concept to people from this thread

The money would have been better allocated by not spending it all?

[lakerboy]

The money would have been better allocated by not spending it all?

for sure the cap next year is going to be tight as can be . the kings think they can make the playoffs and win 2 rounds. there is no other logic behind this boneheaded move. come on penguins(element
) its way too much for a washed up winger you know that

[element1286]

for sure the cap next year is going to be tight as can be . the kings think they can make the playoffs and win 2 rounds. there is no other logic behind this boneheaded move. come on penguins(element
) its way too much for a washed up winger you know that

I agree it is a bad contract. The Kings only added 3 million in payroll, nothing ridiculous. And they really aren't in any cap trouble whatsoever. I wouldn't call him washed up, he is good for 25 + 35.

But agree to disagree.

[lakerboy]

I agree it is a bad contract. The Kings only added 3 million in payroll, nothing ridiculous. And they really aren't in any cap trouble whatsoever. I wouldn't call him washed up, he is good for 25 + 35.

But agree to disagree.

cool- if he scores 35 next year and they dont make playoffs what do you say right now

[VegasDave]

You still haven't answered element's valid question; how would this salary be better allocated?

This isn't a panic move at all. Nor is it the answer to all of the Kings problems. Nor does anyone think this makes us a cup team next year.

But the Kings are still comfortably under the cap... would having been even more under the cap without Smyth been preferable?

And while I don't disagree he's on the decline, what exactly are you basing the he's washed up thing on?

Since the lockout...
05-06: 75 games, 36 goals, 30 assists (66 points)
06-07: 71 games, 36 goals, 32 assists (68 points)
07-08: 55 games, 14 goals, 23 assists (37 points) <-- One bad year, injuries
08-09: 77 games, 26 goals, 33 assists (59 points)

Is your argument that he only had 59 points so he's washed up now? Taking a look at his point production every season of his career since he became an every day player pre-lockout since 96-97:

61, 33, 31, 54, 70, 50, 61, 59

How is last season's 59 points not right on target with the rest of his career?

Last year Ryan Smyth's 59 points was 21st among left wingers. 30 teams times top 2 lines = 60 left wingers, and he was in the top 25. Even if he takes a logical regression next year and ends up with only 50 points (say 20 goals 30 assists), last year that would have been good for 30th among left wingers. How is he not, at the very least, an effective 2nd liner?

And how do you measure all the other intangibles he brings?

Your response to all of this, of course, is going to be more nonsense. Because no one in forumville can ever admit that they are wrong or keep a discussion/argument from being reduced to name-calling and petty insults. Here is a fact/stat-based response. If you feel the need to respond, please keep yours fact/stat-based too.