Lets Be Honest Most Whites Would Rescind Their Vot Now FOr Obama

[KingRevolver]

By your standards as a Libertarian (if you really are one), he could only do well by utterly failing to implement everything he is trying to implement.

Yes - I am a Libertarian. Oh wait I decided to come on a gambling forum and lie about being a Libertarian 'cause I so desperately want to be one instead of just registering as one

And you're wrong douche. The number 1 important thing for me at this moment is the economy. Under Bill Clinton (someone I didn't agree with at all) the economy was the greatest it's ever been in the U.S.

I want Obama to get this country back on that track - the other issues can be dealt with later.

Let me guess -- your big solution was for Obama NOT to bailout any of the Banks and just let the country come to a complete collapse?

All your negativity about the "antichrist" isn't helping anyone. Coming on a board and spouting off at the mouth about Obama isn't going to do anything. Go out there and do something if you really want to change the world, nephew.

[Flying Dutchman]

All your negativity about the "antichrist" isn't helping anyone. Coming on a board and spouting off at the mouth about Obama isn't going to do anything. Go out there and do something if you really want to change the world, nephew.

Anti-christ. Been there, done that.

[losturmarbles]

The point is his job is to fix and lead this country. I wouldn't want that job at this point in time. I pity him...

I don't love or hate Obama.

What's your party, Marbles? I'm a proud Libertarian!

i'm an individual. a political party doesnt define who i am or what i believe. although the libertarian party would most closely represent my ideology.

i've never seen you post anything before that would strike me as being close to libertarian.

youre probably more closely to one of the social anarchists that trys to hijack the label libertarian.

[KingRevolver]

i'm an individual. a political party doesnt define who i am or what i believe. although the libertarian party would most closely represent my ideology.

i've never seen you post anything before that would strike me as being close to libertarian.

youre probably more closely to one of the social anarchists that trys to hijack the label libertarian.

Nah, man. I'm a Libertarian although I like to fvck around and say stupid shit but that's all jokes.

Those Social Anarchists are f'ing nutjobs and offer NO SOLUTIONS whatsoever. They think we should all "share" everything and just hand poor people money. Riiight.

Look at what I said in the first page about social programs - they disgust me.

[obama our lord]

And you're wrong douche. The number 1 important thing for me at this moment is the economy. Under Bill Clinton (someone I didn't agree with at all) the economy was the greatest it's ever been in the U.S.

And exactly what do you thinkObama is doing to get the economy back on track? Didn't like Bush's spending? Obama is Bush times 10. This stimulus money is not being spent on creating jobs; it's being used as funds for political payback. Is turning the auto companies over to the labor unions who caused the problems in the first place going to improve the economy. is doubling everyone's energy costs supposed to improve the economy?

Exactly what was Clinton supposed to have done to create a good economy? And he fought the GOP for a year claiming it wasn't possible to balance the budget. Bush inherited a declining Clinton economy when he took Office.

Why don't you explain exactly the programs you believe Obama is using to turn the economy around and why you believe they will work? You sound like just another clueless Obamabot in hero worship.

[coldhardfacts]

Kingman, if you are a Chumash Indian here in Santa Barbara you get $25,600 a month the rest of your life. One of my friends is full blooded and gets that amount each month. It's unreal... generates from
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True. My son's great grandfather was 1/16 Cherokee. He died in the 70s, but his wife, who's all white, is still getting benefits at age 99.

[KingJIM]

Wouldn't recind my vote. Had a future bet on democrate to win.

[Dark Horse]

Why?

We are finding out how dumb he actually is, never says anything with text in front of him.

He is trying to take over everything that is private

He is trying to make blacks not have any motivation to work and give them everything including health care.

He is putting USA in massive debt

It's not Obama as such. It's a system wherein any president cannot even become president unless he's a puppet for international bankers and corporations. That's how it is set up, and that is how it will be unless we, the People, demand change.

The only one not owned is Dennis Kucinich and I thoroughly enjoyed his grilling of Bernanke last week. Kucinich could dine with George Washington. The others betrayed America a long time ago. It's up to us to change things, but the corporate media have hypnotized the masses into utter compliance.

It's bad.

My (faint) hope is that the Fed and ultra-corrupt cronies have overstretched themselves in their power grab, and that Kucinich gets enough of a foot in the door where their case starts to unravel. Bernanke was truly afraid last week, because what he did with Bank of America could land him in jail. He tried to lie his way out, and I sincerely hope that he perjured himself in doing so. Kucinich had all sorts of e-mails that flew straight in the face of what Bernanke was saying.

[KingRevolver]

And exactly what do you thinkObama is doing to get the economy back on track? Didn't like Bush's spending? Obama is Bush times 10. This stimulus money is not being spent on creating jobs; it's being used as funds for political payback. Is turning the auto companies over to the labor unions who caused the problems in the first place going to improve the economy. is doubling everyone's energy costs supposed to improve the economy?

Exactly what was Clinton supposed to have done to create a good economy? And he fought the GOP for a year claiming it wasn't possible to balance the budget. Bush inherited a declining Clinton economy when he took Office.

Why don't you explain exactly the programs you believe Obama is using to turn the economy around and why you believe they will work? You sound like just another clueless Obamabot in hero worship.

Answer my questions first, nephew. I love when people answer questions with questions -- it shows they really have no knowledge of the subject at hand.

Let me guess -- your big solution was for Obama NOT to bailout any of the Banks and just let the country come to a complete collapse?


What was the correct solution at the time? Let all these huge conglomerates go to the shithole and us become Russia? Please answer - stop avoiding. Thank you

[KingRevolver]

It's not Obama as such. It's a system wherein any president cannot even become president unless he's a puppet for international bankers and corporations. That's how it is set up, and that is how it will be unless we, the People, demand change.

The only one not owned is Dennis Kucinich and I thoroughly enjoyed his grilling of Bernanke last week. Kucinich could dine with George Washington. The others betrayed America a long time ago. It's up to us to change things, but the corporate media have hypnotized the masses into utter compliance.

It's bad.

My (faint) hope is that the Fed and ultra-corrupt cronies have overstretched themselves in their power grab, and that Kucinich gets enough of a foot in the door where their case starts to unravel. Bernanke was truly afraid last week, because what he did with Bank of America could land him in jail. He tried to lie his way out, and I sincerely hope that he perjured himself in doing so. Kucinich had all sorts of e-mails that flew straight in the face of what Bernanke was saying.

What do you think of Ron Paul?

[Dark Horse]

Ron Paul is on the Fed's case as well. Forgot him. He's real too.

[Flying Dutchman]

Hey, I live in a Socialist country. I get legalized prostitution, and marijuana. At the end of the day I ain't got no money, but who gives a shit?

[Dark Horse]

Hasjpaffende hoereloper.

America was supposed to be about freedom. International bankers are the new, self-appointed kings of old. We don't want kings.

[obama our lord]

Answer my questions first, nephew. I love when people answer questions with questions -- it shows they really have no knowledge of the subject at hand.

Let me guess -- your big solution was for Obama NOT to bailout any of the Banks and just let the country come to a complete collapse?


What was the correct solution at the time? Let all these huge conglomerates go to the shithole and us become Russia? Please answer - stop avoiding. Thank you

Actually, it was Bush, not Obama who signed the bank bailout. I didn't like that either, but he did it because Bernanske and Paulson told him the economy was in danger of collapse if he didn't.

This stimulus spending is pure crap, and will do nothing other than possibly destroy the dollar and create hyperinflation. You think that's useful?

And BTW, Obama promised that unemployment would not go over 8% if the stimulus was signed. It's at 9.5% and climbing.

[KingRevolver]

Actually, it was Bush, not Obama who signed the bank bailout. I didn't like that either, but he did it because Bernanske and Paulson told him the economy was in danger of collapse if he didn't.

This stimulus spending is pure crap, and will do nothing other than possibly destroy the dollar and create hyperinflation. You think that's useful?

And BTW, Obama promised that unemployment would not go over 8% if the stimulus was signed. It's at 9.5% and climbing.

"I didn't like that either, but he did it....economy was in danger of collapse if he didn't."

This guy is a total Bush lover. I should've known -- at least LostYourMarbles is his own man. You're nothing but one of these dogmatic lunatic Republicans who can't stand that they lost the election.

And he still didn't answer my question. I'm done with this guy - he has nothing to say of any value and dodges the questions. Go read a book.

[DwightShrute]

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[Chi_archie]

Nothing much to do with Obama's current reign - in fact he's a great role model - I'm just venting...

Taking money from working people and giving it to people who just lounge around and do nothing is morally wrong. Plus, just giving money away like this creates NO MOTIVATION whatsoever. Why should they work?

And don't even get me started on these pathetic Baby Mills. These people have had a free ride for a long time. Having unprotected sex and giving birth (knowing the gov will be the daddy) to pathetic scum who'll just become criminals later on. This is why I'm pro-abortion. That's right.

As far as Blacks go - it all comes down to the Black community being a Fatherless community. These modafvckers go from one broad to the next and don't stay put. Black people have to look at what is happening in their own community and fix their own problems. NO ONE ELSE CAN DO IT FOR THEM. Black people love to dwell on the past and are always in "Victimization mode" so if you point any of these things out, they immediately scream "racism!" It's laughable. Of course not all Black Americans are like this but plenty are.

And our public schools are a mess because Blacks and lots of Hispanic just don't want to learn. It has nothing to do with a "shortage in funds." Those are bullshit excuses! Bring 5,000 Japs over from Japan and stick them in the same god-awful public schools and I bet you a pretty penny that they go on to become successful. Why? Because they take it seriously - that's why.

Tons of monies are being wasted on education (you heard me), social programs that encourage procrastination & having sex without protection because the government will be there as a "safety net." Complete joke.

The King has spoken!

I agree with quite a bit of this....

as a resident for the last 6 years in a community that is 99% black and 70% dependent on some source of gov. assistance, and as an a former educator in the public schools, and a current administrator in a charter school of the same neighbhorhood. my gut reaction is to agree with almost all of what K.R says.....


My role as a community developer is a bit different than what it once used to be.... but I very easily recognize that one of the biggest reason for pathology and lack of success here in the ghetto is Lack of fathers..... or lack of any healthy family system period.... grandmothers raising 15 grandchildren in one home ect.

The school system is horrible, Chicago public schools has been called on of the worst ever... many of my 8th grade basketball/football players went to a classroom that started with 41 students this fall and had 6 different teachers ( they don't switch teachers/rooms for the most part here in the hood)

But at the same time, I agree that if you brought in motivated korean or chinese students they would still achieve here.... the difference is that most of those types of kids come from families with high achieving parents, books in the home, interest (even if too intense) in the academic achievement of their kids.


the pathology and warped generational issues for many inner city populations is on generation 3, 4 or even 5 in some cases here..... where babies are born to 13 year olds... and its not summed up in one or two or even three main problems....


its systemic, cyclic, and beyond comprehension by intellectuals from afar or do-gooders from up close....... no easy answers, just easy excuses

[The HG]

Whatever you may think of Obama's policies, just keep in mind that because so many people voted for him, we now have a black as President of the United States.


A BLACK!!!

[obama our lord]

"I didn't like that either, but he did it....economy was in danger of collapse if he didn't."

This guy is a total Bush lover. I should've known -- at least LostYourMarbles is his own man. You're nothing but one of these dogmatic lunatic Republicans who can't stand that they lost the election.

And he still didn't answer my question. I'm done with this guy - he has nothing to say of any value and dodges the questions. Go read a book.

Your question was stupid because Bush signed TARP, not Obama. The problem is your ignorance.

And I did answer your question, best I could given its faulty premise. I did not like it when Bush signed it because I didn't accept the premise that the bailout was needed to keep the economy from collapsing.

[DrStale]

I agree with quite a bit of this....

as a resident for the last 6 years in a community that is 99% black and 70% dependent on some source of gov. assistance, and as an a former educator in the public schools, and a current administrator in a charter school of the same neighbhorhood. my gut reaction is to agree with almost all of what K.R says.....


My role as a community developer is a bit different than what it once used to be.... but I very easily recognize that one of the biggest reason for pathology and lack of success here in the ghetto is Lack of fathers..... or lack of any healthy family system period.... grandmothers raising 15 grandchildren in one home ect.

The school system is horrible, Chicago public schools has been called on of the worst ever... many of my 8th grade basketball/football players went to a classroom that started with 41 students this fall and had 6 different teachers ( they don't switch teachers/rooms for the most part here in the hood)

But at the same time, I agree that if you brought in motivated korean or chinese students they would still achieve here.... the difference is that most of those types of kids come from families with high achieving parents, books in the home, interest (even if too intense) in the academic achievement of their kids.


the pathology and warped generational issues for many inner city populations is on generation 3, 4 or even 5 in some cases here..... where babies are born to 13 year olds... and its not summed up in one or two or even three main problems....


its systemic, cyclic, and beyond comprehension by intellectuals from afar or do-gooders from up close....... no easy answers, just easy excuses

As someone who's worked in inner city middle schools I couldn't have said it any better. What it comes down to is creating culture of responsibility, its unbelievably frustrating to see the situation many of these kids come from which they themselves are likely to perpetuate. Call it racist or misogynistic but Black men in these situations need to man up. Use the assistance thats out there, don't abuse it, and make things better.

[KingRevolver]

The problems in the Black community all come down to one thing: Irresponsible breeding.

An uninvolved or absentee father creates undeniable damage to a child's psyche. Dads matter.

Let me quote a sociologist named Maggie Gallagher...

The attachment between father and son may be the key [to responsible boys]. Fathers teach their sons lessons, directly and indirectly, about what it means to be a man. When boys identify with fathers who are loving and available, the likelihood lessens that they will define their masculinity in terms of rebellion and antisocial aggression.

This is why social programs MUST come to an end. These people [not just talking about Blacks - anyone irresponsible] just go around breeding like jackrabbits knowing that there's a "safety net" and the government will be the Father. By giving money to people who make irresponsible decisions like bearing a child before being financially ready to assume the responsibility, we reward their irresponsibility behavior! Pathetic.

All this shit does is create a cycle of crime and apathy.

The King has spoken!

[Emmett Brown]

Why?

We are finding out how dumb he actually is, never says anything with text in front of him.

He is trying to take over everything that is private

He is trying to make blacks not have any motivation to work and give them everything including health care.

He is putting USA in massive debt

Thats odd. They just cut off all state funded adult health care for the poor in California starting July 1st

What world are you living in?

[losturmarbles]

it all goes back to culture.

most blacks are raised in a culture that encourages crime and ridicules education, so what more do you expect?

[losturmarbles]

Thats odd. They just cut off all state funded adult health care for the poor in California starting July 1st

What world are you living in?

california is bankrupted

if anything this shows you what socialized health care leads to. the funding runs out and they start cutting programs. and of course old folks are less important, so they are first on the chopping block.

this is what they refer to as rationing health care

[DrStale]

it all goes back to culture.

most blacks are raised in a culture that encourages crime and ridicules education, so what more do you expect?

Saying they encourage crime is pretty ridiculous, certainly there's a few out there that follow a criminal culture but the vast majority turn to crime as a result of few options, or at least perceived few options.

[Emmett Brown]

california is bankrupted

if anything this shows you what socialized health care leads to. the funding runs out and they start cutting programs. and of course old folks are less important, so they are first on the chopping block.

this is what they refer to as rationing health care

Im just saying where are all the free handouts Obama is giving out? Old folks and disabled people arent important because they are being put out into the street homeless by our governor. All the money has been taken from the schools and health care for the poor and elderly will be cut off on July 1st. Where are the free Obama handouts? Arnold wont raise the sales tax by 1 cent. Instead he took the money from taxpaying state workers and disabled children. Along with elderly people who cant even walk. Where are the Obama handouts?

Oh I get it. They are being handed out in every state but California

Get a clue

[Emmett Brown]

Yes - I am a Libertarian. Oh wait I decided to come on a gambling forum and lie about being a Libertarian 'cause I so desperately want to be one instead of just registering as one

And you're wrong douche. The number 1 important thing for me at this moment is the economy. Under Bill Clinton (someone I didn't agree with at all) the economy was the greatest it's ever been in the U.S.

I want Obama to get this country back on that track - the other issues can be dealt with later.

Let me guess -- your big solution was for Obama NOT to bailout any of the Banks and just let the country come to a complete collapse?

All your negativity about the "antichrist" isn't helping anyone. Coming on a board and spouting off at the mouth about Obama isn't going to do anything. Go out there and do something if you really want to change the world, nephew.

[KingRevolver]

Saying they encourage crime is pretty ridiculous, certainly there's a few out there that follow a criminal culture but the vast majority turn to crime as a result of few options, or at least perceived few options.

This is true. Education must be taken seriously, social programs must be taken away and the "I'm a victim" attitude must be dropped.

This reminds me of this [White] girl I used to know back in college. She was book smart but when it came to logical thinking - she was dumb as a rock. Anyway she was one of these trust fund babies or what ever you want to call them. She was given what ever the fvck she wanted, and whenever the fvck she wanted. The girl didn't have to do jack shit for any of it. Anyway - she ended up getting in some criminal trouble for doing something reaaaaally stupid. Guess what her parents did? They actually cut her off...which most of these rich parents would never do ever...but those two did.

Guess what she had to do next? She had to actually start earning a living in order to get by day to day.

This is my point: If you take away the free handouts - it galvanizes people and they become active and actually do something with their lives. Not everyone has to be a Doctor, Lawyer, Businessmen, etc. But you have to do SOMETHING.

[bettilimbroke999]

The poor have almost no incentive to work as it is, the inverse relationship the size of their paycheck has with the amount of welfare benefits/EIC they receive combined with the increased taxes they'll pay means they're working for almost nothing once their annual income exceeds 4 figures given their low paying jobs limiting their range combined with only minimal raise expectation given their low level of education.

The welfare system needs to be corrected but unless you're fine starving children/making families homeless its very hard to do that, you've got children locked into a system which is socially retarding and turns them into ******s and welfare moms which does destroy the country but you have to have a reasonable solution to the problem. Sometimes even I think we should just cut welfare off altogether and have the people be entirely responsible for the own fate and for able-bodied adults I really don't mind this plan but it's the children that would end up suffering for choices and situations they have no control over, which is why I cant support that. Another solution to the welfare mom/****** factory welfare system would be to remove children from parents unwilling/able to support them and sterilize the deadbeat parents but extreme measures like this while creating a stable self-sufficient society would probably not receive majority approval.

Edit: I'd like to change that to welfare mom/******/white trash factory so that it covers all races/sexes bc I know how sensitive SBR is to anything that might be perceived as racist against minorities, use the n word when describing a black braindead pile of ghetto trash that does nothing but commit crimes and make babies that all get immediately put on welfare in between serving jail sentences and you're racist according to SBR

[losturmarbles]

Saying they encourage crime is pretty ridiculous, certainly there's a few out there that follow a criminal culture but the vast majority turn to crime as a result of few options, or at least perceived few options.

who is they? i said their culture. black culture encourages crime and discourages education.

turn to crime as a result of few options? you sound like the so-called black leaders aka race pimps.

[wtf]

you are so wrong KR, watch this video please, says it all buddy

The problems in the Black community all come down to one thing: Irresponsible breeding.

An uninvolved or absentee father creates undeniable damage to a child's psyche. Dads matter.

Let me quote a sociologist named Maggie Gallagher...

The attachment between father and son may be the key [to responsible boys]. Fathers teach their sons lessons, directly and indirectly, about what it means to be a man. When boys identify with fathers who are loving and available, the likelihood lessens that they will define their masculinity in terms of rebellion and antisocial aggression.

This is why social programs MUST come to an end. These people [not just talking about Blacks - anyone irresponsible] just go around breeding like jackrabbits knowing that there's a "safety net" and the government will be the Father. By giving money to people who make irresponsible decisions like bearing a child before being financially ready to assume the responsibility, we reward their irresponsibility behavior! Pathetic.

All this shit does is create a cycle of crime and apathy.

The King has spoken!

[losturmarbles]

Im just saying where are all the free handouts Obama is giving out? Old folks and disabled people arent important because they are being put out into the street homeless by our governor. All the money has been taken from the schools and health care for the poor and elderly will be cut off on July 1st. Where are the free Obama handouts? Arnold wont raise the sales tax by 1 cent. Instead he took the money from taxpaying state workers and disabled children. Along with elderly people who cant even walk. Where are the Obama handouts?

Oh I get it. They are being handed out in every state but California

Get a clue

is that what your saying?

jj says obama is "trying" to blah blah blah

and you respond with some asinine remark about the dysfunctional california health care.

then when confronted with the fact that this is what free health care leads to, you go to some incoherent diatribe about california again.

do everyone a favor and stfu.

[KingRevolver]

you are so wrong KR, watch this video please, says it all buddy

Goddamn you, WTF! How dare you prove me wrong?

I don't like WTF anymore...

[jjgold]

We all know what failures most black head coaches are so no different here with same result.

[Richkas]

We all know what failures most black head coaches are so no different here with same result.

So true, so true.


Coach tells it like it is