Spurs 20-1 to win the Championship get it now!!!!!

[Tsoprano]

Not going to happen

[seaborneq]

Not going to happen

I will give myself the same chance as your +425 Celtics bet. How did that work out for YOU?

[hoopster42]

I like your thought process but I think LA repeats.

phil might not even coach on the road, if at all next season (he might just retire) and they might not be able to sign both ariza and odom

meanwhile the rest of the contenders in the league (except for houston) are getting better

[corona]

shaq does not need to be a gm changer any more, he just needs to be in the gm to make a difference. ask d wade and his miami mates if shaq was important to them in their 06 championship. his stats were avg at best that season but they won it all. shaq is a difference maker even at age 37 by just his presence in the paint on both ends of the floor.

he's a liability at this point in his career because he can't defend the pick and roll anymore. and he's just gonna clog up the paint for lebron. at least Z can hit the 18 foot jumper to spread the court.

nelson & howard or carter & howard...forget about it. look how much Z struggled (couldnt keep him on the court)....and he only had to deal with turkeyglue and lewis.

[RICHIE801]

Duncan is the best Power forward to play the game

No he is not. And this is not that bad of a bet at all for all a you hatin on this kid if Ginobili stays healthy, Richard Jefferson and Tony Parker, throw in Roger Mason jr And an old but still good Timmy how can you think San Antonio will look as bad in the playoffs as this year? Lets not forget they were the 3rd seed in the west. Manu is the key, if he is healthy I see the Spurs easily being one of the top two seeds in the west easily.

[seaborneq]

It is already down to 14-1 now. You snooze you lose. Somebody else likes it too.

[hoopster42]

he's a liability at this point in his career because he can't defend the pick and roll anymore. and he's just gonna clog up the paint for lebron.

and he could not defend the pick and roll in 06 either yet miami won it all, and he clogged up the paint for d wade too yet miami won it all

[lakerboy]

It is already down to 14-1 now. You snooze you lose. Somebody else likes it too.

good luck on your bet. how much did you put in?

[TheIntegrityKid]

lakers are gonna win it all again....

all so we will have to put up with lakerboy rubbing it in again! haha

[corona]

and he could not defend the pick and roll in 06 either yet miami won it all, and he clogged up the paint for d wade too yet miami won it all

you could say that about when he won 3 titles with kobe. he clogged the paint and struggled to defend the p&r then too.

its about the level he does it at. we're talking about 3 more years on a 300-340 lb, aging, 7 footer. he was still able to be a presence in 06.

he's not anymore. that's why phoenix had to bench him at crucial points in games for scrubs that could move their feet. and its why phoenix didn't make the playoffs. if shaq was still capable, he would have carried them there.

[lakerboy]

you could say that about when he won 3 titles with kobe. he clogged the paint and struggled to defend the p&r then too.

its about the level he does it at. we're talking about 3 more years on a 300-340 lb, aging, 7 footer. he was still able to be a presence in 06.

he's not anymore. that's why phoenix had to bench him at crucial points in games for scrubs that could move their feet. and its why phoenix didn't make the playoffs. if shaq was still capable, he would have carried them there.

hoopster is a cavs fan- i know it now. Keep praying hoopster even if the cavs win everyone will say Lebron coudnt win without Shaq

[TheIntegrityKid]

yeah, but then shaq leaves and in 4 years, bron finally wins without shaq lol

[FreeFall]

I will give myself the same chance as your +425 Celtics bet. How did that work out for YOU?

Just like Orlando on the backdoor sweep

[lakerboy]

yeah, but then shaq leaves and in 4 years, bron finally wins without shaq lol

Shaq is a groupie. He just keeps going to different places trying to win the title. He rode along in Miami and then when they got tired of his ass they sent him packing to Phoenix-fail. Ferry is desperate

[RICHIE801]

yeah, but then shaq leaves and in 4 years, bron finally wins without shaq lol

lakers are gonna win it all again....

all so we will have to put up with lakerboy rubbing it in again! haha

he's a liability at this point in his career because he can't defend the pick and roll anymore. and he's just gonna clog up the paint for lebron. at least Z can hit the 18 foot jumper to spread the court.

nelson & howard or carter & howard...forget about it. look how much Z struggled (couldnt keep him on the court)....and he only had to deal with turkeyglue and lewis.

Are you kidding? first of all Cleveland lost in the conference finals because they shot like shit every game regaurdless of how bad they were getting burned by the pick and roll. Oh and Ilgauskas got burned one on one by Dwight Howard plenty. Turdglue hardly ever drives the lane, Ilgauskas defensive assignment is never a 3 or 4 wtf are you talkin about did you watch the series? Right move for Cleveland dumping Pavlovich and Turd Wallace, and bringing in a guy who has had success every where hes played except Phoenix, but who didn't see that coming when he went to a run-n-gun team? The Cavs picked him up for interior Defense and leadership and he will provide both. And LA will not repeat, they might of won in 5 but hardly dominated any game except 1 of the series against a young inexperienced Orlando team. If they face Boston again, Pau Gasol the real finals mvp will get shutdown by KG and if thats the case Kobe better shoot better than his mediocre low 40's shooting percentage for the finals. And i dont see grandpa fish hitting 2 clutch threes in the same game again either.

[bettman]

bet 50k on the spurs and become a millionaire.

no you will give away 50k

[bettman]

yeah, but then shaq leaves and in 4 years, bron finally wins without shaq lol

Shaq is a groupie. He just keeps going to different places trying to win the title. He rode along in Miami and then when they got tired of his ass they sent him packing to Phoenix-fail. Ferry is desperate

he would be a groupie if he wasnt a part of winning...so do you call robert horry,dennis rodman, phil jack a groupie

[bettman]

Are you kidding? first of all Cleveland lost in the conference finals because they shot like shit every game regaurdless of how bad they were getting burned by the pick and roll. Oh and Ilgauskas got burned one on one by Dwight Howard plenty. Turdglue hardly ever drives the lane, Ilgauskas defensive assignment is never a 3 or 4 wtf are you talkin about did you watch the series? Right move for Cleveland dumping Pavlovich and Turd Wallace, and bringing in a guy who has had success every where hes played except Phoenix, but who didn't see that coming when he went to a run-n-gun team? The Cavs picked him up for interior Defense and leadership and he will provide both. And LA will not repeat, they might of won in 5 but hardly dominated any game except 1 of the series against a young inexperienced Orlando team. If they face Boston again, Pau Gasol the real finals mvp will get shutdown by KG and if thats the case Kobe better shoot better than his mediocre low 40's shooting percentage for the finals. And i dont see grandpa fish hitting 2 clutch threes in the same game again either.[/quote]

correct caused the only reasoned they won is because of the team not kobe dominating.

[lakerboy]

dennis rodman is a certified groupie. my point is that Shaq is embarassing himself at this point. Everyone said Kobe was the bad guy well he showed great leadership this year and won it. Do you think Shaq was the leader in Miami or Phoenix or will be in CLeveland.He is just jumping anywhere he sees a chance. He talked crap about Kobe if he was a bigger man and more mature he would have worked things with Kobe and they could have had greater success. Shaq is a lazy ass who didnt practice hard and didnt give a shit thats why Kobe ran him out of town.

[lakerboy]

Are you kidding? first of all Cleveland lost in the conference finals because they shot like shit every game regaurdless of how bad they were getting burned by the pick and roll. Oh and Ilgauskas got burned one on one by Dwight Howard plenty. Turdglue hardly ever drives the lane, Ilgauskas defensive assignment is never a 3 or 4 wtf are you talkin about did you watch the series? Right move for Cleveland dumping Pavlovich and Turd Wallace, and bringing in a guy who has had success every where hes played except Phoenix, but who didn't see that coming when he went to a run-n-gun team? The Cavs picked him up for interior Defense and leadership and he will provide both. And LA will not repeat, they might of won in 5 but hardly dominated any game except 1 of the series against a young inexperienced Orlando team. If they face Boston again, Pau Gasol the real finals mvp will get shutdown by KG and if thats the case Kobe better shoot better than his mediocre low 40's shooting percentage for the finals. And i dont see grandpa fish hitting 2 clutch threes in the same game again either.

correct caused the only reasoned they won is because of the team not kobe dominating.[/quote]

its a teamsport my friend not one man show- thats why cleveland didnt win

[TheIntegrityKid]

Shaq is a groupie. He just keeps going to different places trying to win the title. He rode along in Miami and then when they got tired of his ass they sent him packing to Phoenix-fail. Ferry is desperate

I don't think Shaq to Phx was a fail... Sure we didn't win the title, and we were in first place when we made the trade, but let's be honest, we weren't gonna win it that year. Did win one lil playoff game tho, but we needed more time to integrate Shaq with D'Antoni. Instead, he left.

We won 45 or 46 games, which would've been good enough for 5th in the East but instead missed out in the West. Shaq did well. He wasn't the problem. Porter's style sucked and then when Gentry took over, the team exploded. Until A'mare got hurt.

I still think Am'are and Shaq could've been an amazing pairing. I know the goal is to win a title, but if you can't win the title, atleast be interesting and Phoenix was def interesting with Shaq.

Was good to have him here and I wish him well in Cleveland. When our team struggles to win 32 games this year, the fans here in the Valley of the Sun are gonna be longing for the "failures" of our recent past...

[lakerboy]

I don't think Shaq to Phx was a fail... Sure we didn't win the title, and we were in first place when we made the trade, but let's be honest, we weren't gonna win it that year. Did win one lil playoff game tho, but we needed more time to integrate Shaq with D'Antoni. Instead, he left.

We won 45 or 46 games, which would've been good enough for 5th in the East but instead missed out in the West. Shaq did well. He wasn't the problem. Porter's style sucked and then when Gentry took over, the team exploded. Until A'mare got hurt.

I still think Am'are and Shaq could've been an amazing pairing. I know the goal is to win a title, but if you can't win the title, atleast be interesting and Phoenix was def interesting with Shaq.

Was good to have him here and I wish him well in Cleveland. When our team struggles to win 32 games this year, the fans here in the Valley of the Sun are gonna be longing for the "failures" of our recent past...

The Suns just dont play defense. That is all about coaching. An NBA player has an obligation to stick his hand up in front of a shooter. The Suns defense last season was one of the worst i have ever seen. Remember the Dallas game near the end of the season.That was my point about Shaq he just doesnt care and he is lazy. How could a guy shoot that miserable from the free throw line. Look at HOward even though he fukked up some fts in the final at least he was getting better in the playoffs cause he tried them and practiced harder.

[TheIntegrityKid]

The Suns just dont play defense. That is all about coaching. An NBA player has an obligation to stick his hand up in front of a shooter. The Suns defense last season was one of the worst i have ever seen. Remember the Dallas game near the end of the season.That was my point about Shaq he just doesnt care and he is lazy. How could a guy shoot that miserable from the free throw line. Look at HOward even though he fukked up some fts in the final at least he was getting better in the playoffs cause he tried them and practiced harder.

Shaq shot like 62 percent from the field and had plenty of good games with alot of rebounds/blocks...

But I hear ya though. We do need more and MORE defense... That is one thing I would like to see and partly why I want Am'are traded. He doesn't want to commit to defense and we do need to get our team going in that direction. It's okay to have a wide-open offense, but we gotta be able to make stops at critical junctures and we just don't.

And now Golden State is double-crossing us. We had a deal to get Biedrins, Bellinelli, Wright and the 7th pick, but because Curry fell to that spot, they backed out. F'n Bullshit!!!

[lakerboy]

long rebuild brother

[TheIntegrityKid]

yeah it sucks

im hoping we can deal am'are and barbosa in a 3way to minny for love and rubio. and get nash to toronto, where he would like to go, and start getting the pieces now...

imagine rubio in Gentry's system. guy will become the next nash FAST.. and be here for 16 years... fukk!

[lakerboy]

gentry needs to go though- he is a puppet

[TheIntegrityKid]

i like gentry.. he did well...

i think he is gonna be a fine coach for many years to come... now, if you wanna say kerr should go... or better yet, our cheap owner should sell, then ill join ya!

[hoopster42]

. and its why phoenix didn't make the playoffs. if shaq was still capable, he would have carried them there.

incorrect, shaq is not the reason the suns did not make the playoffs, the reason they did not make the playoffs is because kerr panicked and brought shaq in when the lakers got gasol, it was a total panic move, but yet they still made the playoffs in 08. they lost to the spurs in the 1st round because they were missing boris diaw and raja bell who had been dealt to charlotte for jason richardson, who has never won anything in the league. i did not even mention shawn marion who was dealt to miami earlier.

this last season, asking shaq to lead the suns depleted roster to the nba playoffs in the stacked west was absolutely insane. it was not shaq's fault that the team had coaching issues (no dantoni, then had porter and then gentry) and the team had no bench. it was not shaq's fault that he came to a phoenix team that was a shell of its former self and had lost diaw, bell, and marion, 3 extremely key players that helped lead them to great records in 05, 06, and 07

[TheIntegrityKid]

incorrect, shaq is not the reason the suns did not make the playoffs, the reason they did not make the playoffs is because kerr panicked and brought shaq in when the lakers got gasol, it was a total panic move, but yet they still made the playoffs in 08. they lost to the spurs in the 1st round because they were missing boris diaw and raja bell who had been dealt to charlotte for jason richardson, who has never won anything in the league. i did not even mention shawn marion who was dealt to miami earlier.

this last season, asking shaq to lead the suns depleted roster to the nba playoffs in the stacked west was absolutely insane. it was not shaq's fault that the team had coaching issues (no dantoni, then had porter and then gentry) and the team had no bench. it was not shaq's fault that he came to a phoenix team that was a shell of its former self and had lost diaw, bell, and marion, 3 extremely key players that helped lead them to great records in 05, 06, and 07

i agree...mostly

but they had diaw and bell when they lost to the spurs... they just barely dealt them away this past december for j-rich... and that deal was a steal...for us... j rich is easily worth those two. it's just our bench was depleted and our coaching situation wasnt settled...

just wanted to point out that lil flaw in your paragraph, but overall, i agree with ya...

[hoopster42]

i agree...mostly

but they had diaw and bell when they lost to the spurs... they just barely dealt them away this past december for j-rich... and that deal was a steal...for us... j rich is easily worth those two. it's just our bench was depleted and our coaching situation wasnt settled...

just wanted to point out that lil flaw in your paragraph, but overall, i agree with ya...

good catch, integrity. it just felt like those guys were not there vs the spurs but then again when you lose in 5 gms it feels like no one on the team showed up. but let's face it, dantoni only had what 30 gms maybe less to try and gel shaq and the suns, the suns were a running team and shaq was an older slowing down center, it was never gona work

on top of that, they ran into the spurs in the 08 playoffs who at the time were defending champions of the league and were healthy as ginobli was healthy and playing. it was not until the lakers series when ginobli was showing he was hurt and they got run off the floor.

prior to playing the lakers that yr, the spurs were a very good team

[hoopster42]

integrity, bro, the only 2 guys that played D on your team from 05-07 were marion and bell, even diaw was a key piece, to lose bell and diaw for richardson was not a good trade, IMO, and losing marion as well was just crazy but i guess he was unhappy and had to go

it was a great run from 05 to 07 but i also believe if they coulda worked it out with marion and not panicked to get shaq they might have had a decent chance to get some breaks in 08 playoffs that they did not get in 07

[TheIntegrityKid]

well.. they were good for def purposes, but j rich is a flat out better scorer and will thrive more in the phx system... he is easily a better player than those guys and phx needs a dynamic 2 for our system

i know it doesnt really matter cuz our window closed...we had a great chance in 07 and suspensions cost us...amare and marion didnt get along and perhaps we traded the wrong guy...shaq with marion may have led to better results lol

[hoopster42]

well artest to the lakers helped them in their hopes to repeat, but hopefully phil either retires or only coaches at home which will mess up the team bigger than they think, and hopefully odom goes elsewhere

[lakerboy]

well artest to the lakers helped them in their hopes to repeat, but hopefully phil either retires or only coaches at home which will mess up the team bigger than they think, and hopefully odom goes elsewhere

i feel for you your dying for la not to win- i thought i hated the steelers a lot but its clear you hate the lakers more than anything

[hoopster42]

i feel for you your dying for la not to win- i thought i hated the steelers a lot but its clear you hate the lakers more than anything

LB i hate kobe and the lakers more than i love my own favorite teams and players........i received tremendous joy every time they lost in the playoffs between '03 and '08, starting with the time in '03 when kobe was clearly crying while sitting on the bench at staples as the spurs were closing them out........

then the infighting right after getting beaten to oblivion by the pistons in 04

then the 05 crappy season

then the 06 losing a 3-1 lead to the suns in the 1st round

then the 07 beat down to the suns

then the 08 beat down to the celtics

it was 7 glorious yrs then the bastard had to win again

fukk kobe bryant and everyone who looks like him