Government freezes $33 million of online gambling funds

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  • rake922
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 12-23-07
    • 11692

    #1
    Government freezes $33 million of online gambling funds



    Web’s Poker Winners Face Delays in Collecting

    Opening a new front in the government’s battle against Internet gambling, federal prosecutors have asked four American banks to freeze tens of millions of dollars in payments owed to people who play poker online.

    The frozen payments of at least $33 million are owed to 27,000 players at four offshore poker sites, including PokerStars.com and FullTiltPoker.com, according to John Pappas, the executive director of the Poker Players Alliance, an advocacy group for online poker players.

    Mr. Pappas said prosecutors in the last two weeks have asked Citibank, Wells Fargo and two smaller banks to freeze funds in accounts belonging to two companies, Allied Systems and Account Services, that process payouts on behalf of the poker sites.

    The government action came to light over the weekend after checks issued to poker players by the two companies began bouncing, Mr. Pappas said. He said that the online casinos had assured him that they planned to pay players what they were owed.

    Yusill Scribner, a spokeswoman for the office of the United States attorney for the Southern District of New York, which is bringing the legal action, declined to comment.

    Stephen Cohen, a spokesman at Citibank, a unit of Citigroup, confirmed that the bank had received a request from prosecutors. He said that as a matter of policy Citibank complies with such requests.

    Wells Fargo, which received a court order to freeze the money, said it had a policy to comply with “valid instructions to seize funds” but declined further comment. It is not clear whether the other banks received court orders or simply requests.

    I. Nelson Rose, a professor of law at Whittier Law School in Costa Mesa, Calif., and an specialist on gambling law, called the government’s move a surprising and significant new effort to police wagering on the Internet.

    “It’s very aggressive, and I think it’s a gamble on the part of the prosecutors,” Mr. Rose said. He added that it was not clear what law would cover the seizure of money belonging to poker players, as opposed to the money of the companies involved.

    Past government efforts have focused on sports betting on the Internet, not on poker playing, Mr. Rose said. He noted that he and other legal authorities, and some courts, have considered poker to be different from sports betting because poker involves a transaction between people, not a bettor and the casino.

    Mr. Rose said it was not illegal in New York, where the legal action was brought, for a person to place a bet. But other states do outlaw such activity, he said.

    In a letter to one of the smaller banks involved, Alliance Bank of Arizona, prosecutors said the funds in question “constitute property involved in money laundering transactions and illegal gambling offenses.”

    United States authorities have had trouble policing Internet gambling because of the borderless nature of online transactions. The casinos and poker houses are based overseas, beyond the reach of prosecutors, who have sought to attack the businesses indirectly by going after American businesses that process transactions for offshore casinos or that advertise on their behalf.

    Poker sites involved in this latest crackdown make money by taking a small part of each poker pot.

    A. Jeff Ifrah, a lawyer representing Account Services, which has offices in San Diego and Canada, said that his client charged a small fee to issue checks to poker players.

    Mr. Ifrah said that, to his knowledge, the government “has never seized an account that belongs to players who are engaged in what I would contend is a lawful act of playing peer-to-peer poker online.”
  • TheLock
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 04-06-08
    • 14427

    #2
    Nice to see were going after the true evildoers out there.


    Air travel will be a much safer place without the evils of guys playing K/9 offsuit in early position.
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    • Chi_archie
      SBR Aristocracy
      • 07-22-08
      • 63172

      #3
      Justin and ganch, tell me what is going on here!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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      • pico
        BARRELED IN @ SBR!
        • 04-05-07
        • 27321

        #4
        i think the gov is broke and try to recover some TARP money
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        • wtf
          SBR Posting Legend
          • 08-22-08
          • 12983

          #5
          if it was about the money, they would just legalize it
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          • Killer_Demo
            SBR Hall of Famer
            • 06-15-08
            • 8409

            #6
            damn they need some bigger fish than this...what a waste of taxpayer $$$
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            • acw
              SBR Wise Guy
              • 08-29-05
              • 576

              #7
              How dumb can one be to hold these funds in US banks?!
              Sorry, but I even try to avoid doing any US$ gambling related transfer, as they generally go via US intermediate banks.
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              • KingRevolver
                SBR Hall of Famer
                • 06-05-09
                • 5293

                #8
                I bought in 100 bucks (Echeck) a couple of weeks back on Pokerstars ...and they STILL haven't taken the money out of my account. I wonder if they can't, LOL
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                • pico
                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                  • 04-05-07
                  • 27321

                  #9
                  Originally posted by acw
                  How dumb can one be to hold these funds in US banks?!
                  Sorry, but I even try to avoid doing any US$ gambling related transfer, as they generally go via US intermediate banks.
                  yeah, i think it is impossible to move large amount of USD without using one of those NYC clearing banks.
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                  • The HG
                    SBR MVP
                    • 11-01-06
                    • 3566

                    #10
                    Originally posted by TheLock
                    Nice to see were going after the true evildoers out there.


                    Air travel will be a much safer place without the evils of guys playing K/9 offsuit in early position.

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                    • Enforcer_23
                      SBR Sharp
                      • 04-06-09
                      • 470

                      #11
                      this one of those times where i really dont understand wtf they are doing wasting their time.
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                      • wtf
                        SBR Posting Legend
                        • 08-22-08
                        • 12983

                        #12
                        i really thought they would back off with change of administration

                        this is very very surprising
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                        • Seattle Slew
                          SBR Hall of Famer
                          • 01-02-06
                          • 7373

                          #13
                          That will never happen.

                          Originally posted by wtf
                          i really thought they would back off with change of administration

                          this is very very surprising
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                          • Fiasco
                            SBR MVP
                            • 11-02-08
                            • 2406

                            #14
                            I deposited to pokerstars last weekend via e check and played a little, was down, came back to my account and I'm currently -43.80...

                            they took out the money I had in my account plus the little I lost... I want to pay them but I don't know how as e-check is still down...

                            I got an email saying that they can't communicate with my bank right now or something... Idk if my accounts frozen (I deeply hope not...) as I rarely use my bank account other than for online purchases...

                            i guess I'll head over to the bank tmrw and withdraw a little, maybe cash a dividends check I've been needing to do and find out if it's frozen or not...

                            I'm with wachovia aka wells fargo now...

                            I hadn't deposited to pokerstars in months and everything before had worked fine... I really hope I haven't screwed up my bank accounts forever given my young and unproven age (I have money in there to cover anything but it'd suck big time to have these funds closed/have my parents find out of this whole fiasco)

                            * does anyone know if it's illegal to play poker in NC? I know greg raymer plays from Raliegh so I'd guess no, but... who knows
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                            • Fiasco
                              SBR MVP
                              • 11-02-08
                              • 2406

                              #15
                              oh and 2+2 says it's a processor for both FTP and PS...
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                              • cmerunoveru
                                SBR Hustler
                                • 06-09-09
                                • 74

                                #16
                                WTF i have money on fulltilt and bodog, i have had noproblems getting checks, usually onea month so WFT, i might be screwed. This is some scary shit going on here.
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                                • bettilimbroke999
                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                  • 02-04-08
                                  • 13254

                                  #17
                                  Absolutely terrible, why not just legalize this shit and tax the shit prolly make a fukin fortune for our govt then they could give it away to the Wall St CEOs cookin the books and losin 100s of billions so they can pay their 100 mil a year salaries
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                                  • ijustwant2bpaid
                                    Restricted User
                                    • 11-11-08
                                    • 3706

                                    #18
                                    is bodog affected?
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                                    • rake922
                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                      • 12-23-07
                                      • 11692

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by Fiasco
                                      I deposited to pokerstars last weekend via e check and played a little, was down, came back to my account and I'm currently -43.80...

                                      they took out the money I had in my account plus the little I lost... I want to pay them but I don't know how as e-check is still down...
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                                      • Fiasco
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 11-02-08
                                        • 2406

                                        #20
                                        My deposit at Pokerstars was completely removed and because I was down a little since the deposit and had nothing in the account. I am officially in the Red (it actually says -43.8 dollars)

                                        they'll keep trying my bank account until they get their funds it says...

                                        but I have no way to deposit other than e-check (or no way that I've used/want to use)
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                                        • scurd8
                                          SBR Hustler
                                          • 06-08-09
                                          • 69

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Fiasco
                                          I deposited to pokerstars last weekend via e check and played a little, was down, came back to my account and I'm currently -43.80...

                                          they took out the money I had in my account plus the little I lost... I want to pay them but I don't know how as e-check is still down...

                                          I got an email saying that they can't communicate with my bank right now or something... Idk if my accounts frozen (I deeply hope not...) as I rarely use my bank account other than for online purchases...

                                          i guess I'll head over to the bank tmrw and withdraw a little, maybe cash a dividends check I've been needing to do and find out if it's frozen or not...

                                          I'm with wachovia aka wells fargo now...

                                          I hadn't deposited to pokerstars in months and everything before had worked fine... I really hope I haven't screwed up my bank accounts forever given my young and unproven age (I have money in there to cover anything but it'd suck big time to have these funds closed/have my parents find out of this whole fiasco)

                                          * does anyone know if it's illegal to play poker in NC? I know greg raymer plays from Raliegh so I'd guess no, but... who knows

                                          Why not just check your bank accounts online?
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                                          • Fiasco
                                            SBR MVP
                                            • 11-02-08
                                            • 2406

                                            #22
                                            Everything's straight online as far as I can tell... it all looks normal.

                                            I'm more worried about the fact that PS will continue to bill my account with their processor and my bank will get suspicious and flag or freeze my account...

                                            anyways, they're freezing accounts of those withdrawing, not depositing.
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                                            • scurd8
                                              SBR Hustler
                                              • 06-08-09
                                              • 69

                                              #23
                                              PS cannot take anymore money out of your account so you don't have to worry about them trying again. When Stars finds a new processor, I'm sure if you haven't gotten the email by now, they will tell you that to kindly redeposit to bring your balance back to positive. If you can log in online and check your accounts then your accounts are just fine. Usually when they are closed for fraud or frozen etc...Your online access would be cut off as well, or you would probably have a message waiting for you when you log in to bank online regarding your account status. I wouldn't be to worried, as long as you square up with stars (When they have the options to allow you to) you should be fine.
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                                              • SBR Lou
                                                BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                • 08-02-07
                                                • 37863

                                                #24
                                                Fiasco,
                                                So basically, you deposited via e-Check, lost the money while it was clearing, then your bank may have frozen all transactions from the processor so in essence Stars didn't get their money?

                                                If the above is the case, it would be best to write Stars an email and settle with Moneygram, not only is it the right thing to do, you risk having your account closed if you don't. If you were expecting a payout that was frozen, wouldn't you expect PokerStars to accommodate you with some other form of payment?
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                                                • BrentCrude
                                                  SBR MVP
                                                  • 11-16-05
                                                  • 4665

                                                  #25
                                                  You mean Mr.Obama is a fascist ?Gee whiz,weren't we supposed to be in the workers paradise in euphoria and utopia by now?Power to the people!The man doesn't live here anymore to open a can of whoopass on you.

                                                  Hey man,chill out and get your bongo drums out and reflect on how great the nanny state is.If a poker chip splashes on the table and there is no one around to hear it,does it still make a noise?Hey man,if it feels good do it! Not!!!!
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                                                  • 1e1
                                                    SBR Hustler
                                                    • 03-22-09
                                                    • 52

                                                    #26
                                                    does anybody know if bodog is in this mess or not because i kinda did a withdraw
                                                    and then i read up on this argggg argggg man this sucks ass
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                                                    • flyingillini
                                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                                      • 12-06-06
                                                      • 41219

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by BrentCrude
                                                      You mean Mr.Obama is a fascist ?Gee whiz,weren't we supposed to be in the workers paradise in euphoria and utopia by now?Power to the people!The man doesn't live here anymore to open a can of whoopass on you.

                                                      Hey man,chill out and get your bongo drums out and reflect on how great the nanny state is.If a poker chip splashes on the table and there is no one around to hear it,does it still make a noise?Hey man,if it feels good do it! Not!!!!
                                                      Brentcrudester, we need more quality posts from you. You post then disappear for a while. Your posts are top notch!!!
                                                      המוסד‎
                                                      המוסד למודיעין ולתפקידים מיוחדים‎
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                                                      • lolmoneys
                                                        SBR Rookie
                                                        • 09-27-08
                                                        • 17

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by 1e1
                                                        does anybody know if bodog is in this mess or not because i kinda did a withdraw
                                                        and then i read up on this argggg argggg man this sucks ass
                                                        Reportedly these processors only dealt with poker sites, not sportsbetting sites. They processed for PokerStars, Full Tilt, Ultimate Bet and Absolute Poker.
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                                                        • Kaiser Jacob
                                                          SBR Rookie
                                                          • 06-01-09
                                                          • 38

                                                          #29
                                                          Government at its worst!
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                                                          • RealSlimShady
                                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                                            • 12-24-07
                                                            • 6249

                                                            #30
                                                            This is how the govt will reduce the demand side(who wants to play when your $ can get seized) and pad their coffers at the same time.
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                                                            • Brock Landers
                                                              SBR Aristocracy
                                                              • 06-30-08
                                                              • 45359

                                                              #31
                                                              can anyone verify BS is going on. Anyone who has been AFFECTED by this and not some random article
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                                                              • ijustwant2bpaid
                                                                Restricted User
                                                                • 11-11-08
                                                                • 3706

                                                                #32
                                                                1100 frozen here by fulltilt....
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                                                                • Emily_Haines
                                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                                  • 04-14-09
                                                                  • 15917

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Land of the Free
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                                                                  • ijustwant2bpaid
                                                                    Restricted User
                                                                    • 11-11-08
                                                                    • 3706

                                                                    #34
                                                                    I think I will see the money eventually. I dont see ftilt or stars dealing with the us for too long after this fiasco though..
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                                                                    • ijustwant2bpaid
                                                                      Restricted User
                                                                      • 11-11-08
                                                                      • 3706

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by Emily_Haines
                                                                      Land of the Free
                                                                      glad u find this funny u idiot.
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