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[Ganchrow]

Ganchrow, did you take your medication this morning or are there heavy downpours occurring in your sweet little paradise! Keep up the good work!

MrMonkey

As I said, said feel free to say whatever you like about me, but when one attacks my people, all of whom I know to be working their asses for you, that's when I start to get upset.

Feel free to take out your frustrations on me. I've got thick skin.

But please leave IvanC and Richard out of it.

Thanks.

[jjgold]

SBR should use Sports Network feeds or Don Best feeds which also offer their services via xml

Stats is just not geared to a sports bettor like Don Best Feeds or even Sports Network

[Ganchrow]

SBR should use ... Don Best feeds

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Stats is just not geared to a sports bettor like Don Best Feeds

Actually Don Best uses Stats.com for live game data as well.

[Ganchrow]

why did they TAKE OFF wnba on sbrlines??

WNBA should be up later today.

[jjgold]

I think Don Best has backup providers or a a system in palce if something happens

I would explore Sports Network Services

[AgainstAllOdds]

So you brought a specific issue to their attention and they promptly fixed it. Sounds like they performed admirably.


The only feedback you've given is that "SBRLines is horrible" and that Richard "use a spellchecker". Hardly constructive.

We've been using Stats.com for over 2 years now. We switched from StatFox to Chalk a few months back. Neither StatFox nor Chalk has anything whatsoever to do with either live odds or statistics.

If Stats.com send us incorrect data (as occurs frequently) all we can do is inform them of this fact and change the data manually. If you see a problem let the Help Desk know.

If you still believe SBRLines horrible then my offer still stands. Just let me know.

There are countless problems with the service. You said "He I mentioned one problem and he promptly fixed it". I have brought many problems to the live help and they get fixed, but they are reoccurring. Its fixed one day and messes up the next. If you can, check out sports insights or another decent line service and see what they actually provide and the mistakes they make on average - I can tell you from experience; its not many. Of course they are not free but then again I would rather use them instead of having as much difficulty as I do with sbrlines. Here are some (of the countless threads) made about sbrlines. Things that keep getting reported that may have been fixed but dont stay that way for long.

http://forum.sbrforum.com/players-talk/186353-ivanc-sbr-help-desk-what-you-do-exactly.html

http://forum.sbrforum.com/site-suggestions/142086-sbr-lines-not-updating.html

http://forum.sbrforum.com/players-talk/172073-sbr-lines-pitching-matchups-consistently-wrong.html

[Ganchrow]

There are countless problems with the service. You said "He I mentioned one problem and he promptly fixed it". I have brought many problems to the live help and they get fixed, but they are reoccurring. Its fixed one day and messes up the next. If you can, check out sports insights or another decent line service and see what they actually provide and the mistakes they make on average - I can tell you from experience; its not many. Of course they are not free but then again I would rather use them instead of having as much difficulty as I do with sbrlines. Here are some (of the countless threads) made about sbrlines. Things that keep getting reported that may have been fixed but dont stay that way for long.

http://forum.sbrforum.com/players-talk/186353-ivanc-sbr-help-desk-what-you-do-exactly.html

http://forum.sbrforum.com/site-suggestions/142086-sbr-lines-not-updating.html

http://forum.sbrforum.com/players-ta...tly-wrong.html

All of these old issues (one dates back to February?) have been corrected, have they not?

If you a current problem, please report it. That's all I can tell you. Please be specific about any issues you face. Otherwise, if you don't like it ... don't use it.

The issue reported in this thread was that a game was listed as "suspended" rather than "delayed". No scores was lost in the meantime, Stats has been informed of the issue.

[pavyracer]

Guys it's pretty simple. If you don't like http://www.sbrodds.com/ don't pay your membership fees anymore and don't use it like I do. You can use the money you save and subscribe to a line service that gives you what you want for the right amount of money.

[jjgold]

SBR does work hard on the lines program and it is not as easy as it looks to keep it running smooth most of the time. It is free.

I do wonder though what Sports Insights does differently than SBR Odds other than charge. Can charging a fee make it that more stable?? I will admit they have a great apllication and it rarely seems to have tech issues.

The one thing I never liked about SBR Odds was the actually application , I think it would be better exploring some other platform

In concluding for the most part SBR Odds gets the job done and is good for like 80% of sports bettors and it is free.

[AgainstAllOdds]

As I said, they get corrected and then the following day or couple days the same problems occurs. That pitching changes thread is right on the money. There was one I reported the other day and another someone else reported about Sabiatha ( If I remember correctly). Its a reoccurring theme with many of the same issues. Sometimes I check sbrlines against other pay services to see the differences, if they are having the same problems, how the lines are moving, and for the most part sbrlines is a step behind. So the real question is, what are they doing they you are not? If its the subscription fee, and thats what it takes to get a premium lines service from sbr, then start charging. If its not, I dont know what it could be. But somehow you have to try to get like top line services without all these silly problems.

[oiler]

i would like to think its just a matter of time before it is fixed well i hope anyway

[MrMonkey]

What do expect from an anger Yankee fan? George S. was his old self one week after winning the World Series!

MrMonkey

[jjgold]

SBR Odds is a top priority for the fall

[Ganchrow]

As I said, they get corrected and then the following day or couple days the same problems occurs. That pitching changes thread is right on the money. There was one I reported the other day and another someone else reported about Sabiatha ( If I remember correctly). Its a reoccurring theme with many of the same issues. Sometimes I check SBR Odds against other pay services to see the differences, if they are having the same problems, how the lines are moving, and for the most part SBR Odds is a step behind. So the real question is, what are they doing they you are not? If its the subscription fee, and thats what it takes to get a premium lines service from sbr, then start charging. If its not, I dont know what it could be. But somehow you have to try to get like top line services without all these silly problems.

The pitching change issue was fixed a couple of weeks ago.

Other than suggesting my employees utilize spell check, observing that SBR Odds is "horrible" do you have any specific, timely, and constructive comments to contribute?

[AgainstAllOdds]

You may be misreading what I said or maybe not understanding completely. The pitching changes have not been corrected. They are still messing up on a weekly bases.

You said it was fixed a couple of weeks ago yet here is one that happened 6-5-09, just 3 days ago. I know I told Ivan about one probably about a week ago. The problem is still there.

http://forum.sbrforum.com/players-talk/190850-isnt-cc-sabathia-pitching-today.html

[RogueScholar]

Okay, how about you show the Pinny openers for tennis, dude? Last time I checked SBRLines for tennis, about a couple weeks ago (when I realized there were still much better free lines services for tennis), Bodog was the first book that you showed lines for, and all the others (Pinny included) filtered in later. Now, being a tennis player, I can get you all the money in my pockets versus all the money in yours that Bodog is not the first book you display to open lines on tennis matches. Pinny and Bookmaker open much sooner.

Is that concrete and specific enough for you? Get off your high horse while you're at it. You're coming off as the asshole in this thread, Scott.

[Ganchrow]

You may be misreading what I said or maybe not understanding completely. The pitching changes have not been corrected. They are still messing up on a weekly bases.

You said it was fixed a couple of weeks ago yet here is one that happened 6-5-09, just 3 days ago. I know I told Ivan about one probably about a week ago. The problem is still there.

http://forum.sbrforum.com/players-ta...ing-today.html

I'm glad Ivan corrected it for you.

The point is that SBR Odds pitching match ups are no longer "consistently wrong". Sure, there might be an isolated instance here or there, but that's all part of the product's growing process. If you see a problem, then by all means do report it.

[Ganchrow]

Okay, how about you show the Pinny openers for tennis, dude? Last time I checked SBRLines for tennis, about a couple weeks ago (when I realized there were still much better free lines services for tennis), Bodog was the first book that you showed lines for, and all the others (Pinny included) filtered in later. Now, being a tennis player, I can get you all the money in my pockets versus all the money in yours that Bodog is not the first book you display to open lines on tennis matches. Pinny and Bookmaker open much sooner.

We display Pinnacle's lines as soon as they send them to us in their feed. As far as openers go you can choose which book you wish to have display openers in the settings window (Go to Tools => Settings => Opener/Closer dropdown)

Is that concrete and specific enough for you?

Yes, it is. Thank you.

Now was that so hard?

[jjgold]

I think the question is who edits the pitching changes?

I doubt stats makes the changes and it cannot be hard for sbr to manually do the changes as they are not a ton

Don Best manually puts changes in I belive

[RogueScholar]

We display Pinnacle's lines as soon as they send them to us in their feed. As far as openers go you can choose which book you wish to have display openers in the settings window (Go to Tools => Settings => Opener/Closer dropdown)

Thanks for the suggestion, but that's actually not what I was referring to. I meant that Pinnacle's lines were hung hours before Bodog's, and yet on SBRLines Bodog's lines would show up first, and then the Pinnacle lines would filter in later, in what you could call a reverse chronological order.

It has nothing to do with the "Opening" book I have in the settings, but more that you can miss hours of line movement at Pinny if you were to assume that SBRLines displayed them as they were made available. Does that better elucidate what I was saying?

Is there a reason that Pinny might not add the tennis lines to the feed they give you until they've been established for a little while? If I have the Pinny screen open and watch OddsPortal (where I usually get my tennis lines) it seems like there's maybe 7-8 minutes max between the time Pinny posts the lines and them being tracked on OddsPortal's software. I only mention this because OddsPortal is free too, so I don't think the issue can be scraping/feed restrictions.

[AgainstAllOdds]

I'm glad Ivan corrected it for you.

The point is that SBR Odds pitching match ups are no longer "consistently wrong". Sure, there might be an isolated instance here or there, but that's all part of the product's growing process. If you see a problem, then by all means do report it.

I dont understand what the "growing process" is. This sbr service has been around for many years and as you said the stats.com change happened over 2 years ago. Why are you guys still having such problems with the lines service? Surely these should have been corrected by now... I mean the pitching change is one thing, on top of the slow data sent on current games, sometimes lines are way off or pick up a wrong feed and lets not bring NCAA baskets into this. Thats a whole other problem on its own.

[RogueScholar]

AAO got you on the NCAA hoops issue, on Saturdays or any day with more than say 30 games, that thing would lag so bad it was consummately unusable. You'd click on a game to expand the information and it'd serious take 20 seconds just for the screen to respond to the click and expand the game. Perhaps AAO was impolitic to voice his complaints like he has, but it's not like the product is above reproach.

[Ganchrow]

I dont understand what the "growing process" is. This sbr service has been around for many years and as you said the stats.com change happened over 2 years ago. Why are you guys still having such problems with the lines service? Surely these should have been corrected by now... I mean the pitching change is one thing, on top of the slow data sent on current games, sometimes lines are way off or pick up a wrong feed and lets not bring NCAA baskets into this. Thats a whole other problem on its own.

I say it's a growing process because I only got down here a few months ago. I have no control over what had happened before I arrived.

Please be more specific as to the continuing issues you're having. If you see a problem then please report it.

Speed issues have been addresses and you should see a marked difference come NCAA BB season.

[Ganchrow]

Thanks for the suggestion, but that's actually not what I was referring to. I meant that Pinnacle's lines were hung hours before Bodog's, and yet on SBRLines Bodog's lines would show up first, and then the Pinnacle lines would filter in later, in what you could call a reverse chronological order.

It has nothing to do with the "Opening" book I have in the settings, but more that you can miss hours of line movement at Pinny if you were to assume that SBRLines displayed them as they were made available. Does that better elucidate what I was saying?

Is there a reason that Pinny might not add the tennis lines to the feed they give you until they've been established for a little while? If I have the Pinny screen open and watch OddsPortal (where I usually get my tennis lines) it seems like there's maybe 7-8 minutes max between the time Pinny posts the lines and them being tracked on OddsPortal's software. I only mention this because OddsPortal is free too, so I don't think the issue can be scraping/feed restrictions.

We use Pinnacle's XML feed. If the other product you mentioned is directly scraping Pinnacle's HTML then insofar as Pinnacle might be slow to release immature markets to its feed then they may well see data appear before we do -- at least until Pinnacle discovers they're doing this and shuts them down (all hypothetical, of course).

And again ... if you can point to any specific instances of this occurring please do let CS know as soon as you notice them.

[Ganchrow]

WNBA lines are now live on SBR Odds.

WNBA statistics should be available within the next several days.

[jjgold]

Don Best claims they have first rights to the bigger books lines and they have a direct feed. I think some things are not in the control of SBR.

Well with Ganch on the project we all know he is one of hardest workers at SBR and will give 200% and try to satisfy SBR posters so lets be patient here.

[Tomato]

SBRLines has made Tomato thousands. It is the best thing on the web.

Why was Matchbook's line on PHI-LOS changing 20 minutes after the game started?

Also Tomato has a "server connection failure" right now.

[AgainstAllOdds]

Dont worry, This happens with every lines service.

[flyingillini]

God Bless AAO

[jjgold]

AAO you must work for Sports Insights

[AgainstAllOdds]

JJ you must work for RebateWager and SBR.

[MrMonkey]

JJ, the man's a big whine drinker! Cheer him up and show him a video!

MrMonkey

[jjgold]

JJ you must work for RebateWager and SBR.

Consultant for both

[losturmarbles]

SBRLines has made Tomato thousands. It is the best thing on the web.

Why was Matchbook's line on PHI-LOS changing 20 minutes after the game started?

Also Tomato has a "server connection failure" right now.

the phi-los game had live betting last night, it looks like it stop updating at 20 mins after game time.

[yisman]

Come in here again and take a shot at SBR Odds again and I will break you in half

I would rather pay $100 a month for an ace hooker, than get one for free with a missing leg.

jj, what did you do to that hooker?