Soderling?

fearless · 06-07-09, 05:57 AM

Originally posted by LT Profits

That is why I said "in their current form". Soderling is playing out of his mind right now and I do not think it is a total fluke. Also, a lot of that 9-0 came a few years ago when Fed was much better than he is now.

That said, even with that going for him, the fact that I still give Soderling just a 25% chance is still a testament to Federer's greatness.

I agree that Soderling has a chance that's why I'm hedging my Federer to win French open future bet with the Soderling ML. I'm slightly concerned here.

andywend · 06-07-09, 05:59 AM

Even during his prime, Federer has always struggled at the French Open because he is nowhere near as good on clay as he is on grass.

This is why Federer was 10-1 to win the French Open at the start of the tournament as compared to being odds-on (below even money) to win Wimbledon.

Laying -400 on Federer in this spot on a surface he clearly despises is crazy.

I'm sure there will be a lot of "I told you so's" if Federer pulls this thing out but there should be no "ifs and or buts" when laying -400 and even the strongest Federer backers would probably admit there are question marks with Federer in this spot.

HeeeHAWWWW · 06-07-09, 06:08 AM

Can't agree. If not for Nadal, Federer would have won 3 or 4 Roland Garros titles by now. He's also won 5 masters on clay, and would have 9-10 but for Nadal.

He's about as all-court as you can get. The only surface he's noticeably weaker on is carpet.

BCaldwell32 · 06-07-09, 07:17 AM

Originally posted by remmy358

i see what you are saying and i do not disagree with most of it. but the fact of the matter is that soderling is on a mission and he's played very well, and there's no sign of his stopping. all the pressure is on federer -- and while his career record is amazing -- of late, meaning the past few years -- he has choked under the pressure on more than a few occasions. it's not that i think that soderling will win, but it's all about value. i am debating the play.

lol, he has not choked under pressure, he has lost to Rafael nadal who is the best player in the world right now and amazing. The matches they have played together have been insanely competitive and last years wimbledon was the best tennis match I have ever seen.

BCaldwell32 · 06-07-09, 07:33 AM

Roger Federer is the value here, there is no way that Soderling beats Federer 25% of the time in the long run. I know that Soderling is better than he used to be but Federer has has won 20 out of 21 sets against him!!! That is pretty dominant, 9-0 lifetime only losing one set. How do you come to the conclusion that he has a 25% chance in this match?

SBR Lou · 06-07-09, 07:49 AM

Originally posted by HeeeHAWWWW

Can't agree. If not for Nadal, Federer would have won 3 or 4 Roland Garros titles by now. He's also won 5 masters on clay, and would have 9-10 but for Nadal.

He's about as all-court as you can get. The only surface he's noticeably weaker on is carpet.

Another informed post. Sometimes I think HeeHAWWWW is one of the only guys paying attention.

SBR Lou · 06-07-09, 08:37 AM

Fed steamrolls the first set 61.

yisman · 06-07-09, 09:52 AM

Originally posted by pavyracer

Federer is too tired from back to back 5 sets in which he used everything to come back from behind. Soderling is young and better conditioned and will wear out old man Federer. This will be an embarassing loss for Federer in front of the French crowd who hates him.

The crowd has been behind him the whole way. He's getting a lot of support from "the French crowd who hates him."

SBR Lou · 06-07-09, 10:03 AM

Also, as for the "Soderling is young and better conditioned" comment, Soderling turns 26 in August, and Roger turns 28 in August.

yisman · 06-07-09, 10:08 AM

Originally posted by CrazyLou

Also, as for the "Soderling is young and better conditioned" comment, Soderling turns 26 in August, and Roger turns 28 in August.

Incorrect. Soderling turns 25 in August. It's a three year age gap.

Still, though, pavy was overstating it. 24-25 is not that young in tennis.

And Federer wins it as I type this. Straight sets.

hoopster42 · 06-07-09, 01:30 PM

Originally posted by hoopster42

wrong once again pavy! you are amazing! federer speaks fluent french (one of the 4 languages he speaks fluently) and at the trophy ceremony the last 3 yrs when he lost he always spoke in both english and french, and the crowd absolutely loves it. they clearly root for fed

2nd, you said in another thread a few days ago that federer sucks on clay or something to that effect, ummmmm, he is now 29-4 the last 5 yrs (05-09) at the french and 29-0 against everyone not named nadal

you also said the lakers play no defense but they dominated defensively against the nuggets the last 2 gms of the series to close them out in 6 and they dominated orlando in gm 1 winning by 25 pts

you are so blinded by your hatred of players and teams that you are making the most ridiculous statements that make it seem like you know absolutely nothing about sports

and thats exactly what fed did again, he spoke both french and english. when you love a sport you remember these things and they dont surprise you. the crowd was yelling "rog-er.....rog-er.....ro-ger"
several times during the match at key pts

and now fed is 30-4 from 05-09 against everyone not named nadal and 30-0 against everyone else

HeeeHAWWWW · 06-07-09, 06:18 PM

He is Swiss though, not exactly surprising he speaks fluent French :-)

Try Luxembourg for a laugh, everybody speaks luxembourgish/french/german/english bare minimum, and fairly normal they have 2 or more "foreign" languages on top of that. Even 10+ isn't uncommon.