BetOnline trying to screw me out of $77,000 Slot winnings (claiming technical issue)

**CWD** · 05-04-17, 07:07 PM

Originally posted by RudyRuetigger

this fukker could've atleast come in to say I have a nondisclosure agreement

its why I don't usually like helping long time members with little posts

only want help then offer nothing

thru may now and rutigger still hitting on all cylinders

**CWD** · 05-04-17, 07:09 PM

Originally posted by TheMoneyShot

Sometimes part of the agreement is discontinue posting in the thread when both sides agree. So, it's possible these were the terms.

nda on the nda

i didnt want to trash OP but he sure did seem bubbly/giddy out of the blue b4 he claims they had come to agreement, something seemed off why he was so happy, he was tossing points to people, acting like he had hit the lotto, even after they posted he was really $12K down that night and he looked like clown

but that good old sbr PRO status meant his word was bond LOL

**JIBBBY** · 05-04-17, 07:21 PM

Originally posted by USCPHILLYGUY

Just my 2 cents but OP has been playing online for quite a while. I believe he knew what was going on and just played it out. Like FunnyB said, we all do
thinfs we regret while younger that we wouldn't continue as we get more responsible In life. Even though I doubt OP is younger guy, don't think he's quite there morally yet. Plus sounds like has bigger problems gambling & getting shit face drunk on a Monday night.

I'm sure OP knew what was going on with the slot glitch at the time but it's not his fault.. If you see there is a glitch and something funny going on and you can increase your balance and win money you keep it going.. Why not?

I'm guilty of betting smaller venue MMA fights years ago that had TV delays and the results of the fights would be in and the line would still be up on a few books, yes the lines would be still up after the fights were over in live time... It was free money.. I took that free money several times.. Those were the good ole days...

Books need to keep their business straight.. Gamblers see angles we will take it...

**msutter** · 05-05-17, 12:44 AM

Final update. It was a non disclosure agreement like most of you predicted. So can't comment on compensation.

JIBBBY I literally thought I legit won $77K. Was feeling on top of the world for 4 days until I read the email telling me there was a technical error and they confiscated my funds. Did not think there was any glitch. Part of it probably has to do with the slot games these days. It's not the old school 3 reel - bar, cherry, 7's that is easy to read. So many different pay lines now and a bunch of different random symbols in these games that I just press spin and look down at the win amount if something hits.

As I said before I appreciate everyone that took the time to view and comment in this thread. Even the negative comments helped. The power of communities like this make offshore gambling a much safer place.

**Pinoy-T-X** · 05-05-17, 12:52 AM

So how many mangoes was the non disclosure agreement?
🤑

**TheMoneyShot** · 05-05-17, 01:06 AM

Glad you're satisfied with the results Sutter

**msutter** · 05-05-17, 01:43 AM

Originally posted by USCPHILLYGUY

Just my 2 cents but OP has been playing online for quite a while. I believe he knew what was going on and just played it out. Like FunnyB said, we all do
thinfs we regret while younger that we wouldn't continue as we get more responsible In life. Even though I doubt OP is younger guy, don't think he's quite there morally yet. Plus sounds like has bigger problems gambling & getting shit face drunk on a Monday night.

There you go again acting "holier than thou" Philly lol. It was a Wednesday night-early Thursday morning. My days off from work are Wednesday / Thursday and I work overnights so these were normal hours for me. Haven't drank like that in a very long time. It will be a while before I do again.

**USCPHILLYGUY** · 05-05-17, 04:32 AM

Originally posted by msutter

There you go again acting "holier than thou" Philly lol. It was a Wednesday night-early Thursday morning. My days off from work are Wednesday / Thursday and I work overnights so these were normal hours for me. Haven't drank like that in a very long time. It will be a while before I do again.

Glad it worked out for you Pal. Hopefully you put a dent in that 60k in debt that you have

**Sam Odom** · 05-05-17, 06:52 AM

Originally posted by Sam Odom

will be a nondisclosure agreement

Originally posted by msutter

Final update. It was a non disclosure agreement like most of you predicted. So can't comment on compensation.

good luck in the future

**milwaukee mike** · 05-05-17, 08:21 AM

Originally posted by JIBBBY

Well just like any stock and even the S&P's they are all never bullet proof in a stock market crash.. Certainly not a great idea to buy stocks at their peak price either.. I still think Bitcoin is as safe as most conservative stocks investments right now... From what I've been reading bitcoins aren't going anywhere.. It's not like ponzi scheme..

You also don't have to put your life savings in it either.. Throw a couple thousand in and see what happens over time.. When you need to make a sportsbook deposit take it out from that few thousand you threw in bitcoins..

If it crashes you don't get completely burnt... If stocks or bitcoins crash you hold and don't sell for a few years til the price comes back.. It's a gamble though just like most stocks at some level....

unlike investing in a stock, if you're holding bitcoin at coinbase (or anywhere for that matter) the us government can just steal it like they did with mt gox, poker sites, etc... and then make it very difficult to get back.

keep in mind the irs could consider every bitcoin buy/sell a reportable transaction, so if you are selling bitcoin and not reporting it they might consider it 100% taxable gain no matter what you paid for it. or shut down coinbase saying they should've issued 1099s to everyone.

i didn't lose money on the market fluctuation, i lost money on theft, which can happen very easily with bitcoins. yippee i'm holding bitcoins in a secure wallet! oops they broke bitcoins off into 2 separate coins and mine are now worthless

**jjgold** · 05-05-17, 09:30 AM

Unsuccessful people live in fear

Thread over

**stevek173** · 05-05-17, 09:33 AM

I want to know what he got.

**JIBBBY** · 05-05-17, 01:06 PM

Originally posted by milwaukee mike

unlike investing in a stock, if you're holding bitcoin at coinbase (or anywhere for that matter) the us government can just steal it like they did with mt gox, poker sites, etc... and then make it very difficult to get back.

keep in mind the irs could consider every bitcoin buy/sell a reportable transaction, so if you are selling bitcoin and not reporting it they might consider it 100% taxable gain no matter what you paid for it. or shut down coinbase saying they should've issued 1099s to everyone.

i didn't lose money on the market fluctuation, i lost money on theft, which can happen very easily with bitcoins. yippee i'm holding bitcoins in a secure wallet! oops they broke bitcoins off into 2 separate coins and mine are now worthless

^^Scary post right there Mike..

Well like I said I don't have much invested in bitcoin, all the books are pushing for it these days, seems to be expanding and growing.. If there was massive bitcoin fraud or major IRS implications going on regularly I think the public would catch on to it as it would be all over the internet.. I don't think this Bitcoin deal would still be around and or growing if it was a scam or incredibly risky...

Gotta use some common sense on these issues sometimes..

**milwaukee mike** · 05-05-17, 01:10 PM

Originally posted by jjgold

Unsuccessful people live in fear

Thread over

some truth to that

successful people often take calculated risks knowing the possible consequences...

jjgold i have a couple questions for you, are you up to it?

**jjgold** · 05-05-17, 01:15 PM

Mike no

On road running 🏃🏾

**milwaukee mike** · 05-05-17, 01:22 PM

Originally posted by JIBBBY

^^Scary post right there Mike..

Well like I said I don't have much invested in bitcoin, all the books are pushing for it these days, seems to be expanding and growing.. If there was massive bitcoin fraud or major IRS implications going on regularly I think the public would catch on to it as it would be all over the internet.. I don't think this Bitcoin deal would still be around and or growing if it was a scam or incredibly risky...

Gotta use some common sense on these issues sometimes..

yeah i'm just saying don't put all your eggs in one basket

online poker was booming too right until it wasn't... housing in florida/vegas/arizona right until it lost 70% in 2009... etc etc

circle already stopped doing bitcoin transactions because of irs issues, coinbase has been issued a summons

Vercel Security Checkpoint

http://www.coindesk.com/irs-summons-will-mean-coinbase-users/

**jjgold** · 05-05-17, 01:41 PM

It's a matter of time coinbase gets shutdown

Once USA govt starts pressuring these companies it's over as they will fold up

**BuckyOne** · 05-05-17, 02:38 PM

Originally posted by CWD

nda on the nda

i didnt want to trash OP but he sure did seem bubbly/giddy out of the blue b4 he claims they had come to agreement, something seemed off why he was so happy, he was tossing points to people, acting like he had hit the lotto, even after they posted he was really $12K down that night and he looked like clown

but that good old sbr PRO status meant his word was bond LOL

That is an interesting tid bit. When they went thru the spreadsheet - he actually owes them 12K. Lucky he only had a $80 balance. If he has 5k in his account - they probably get that???

**The Giant** · 05-05-17, 02:48 PM

This is like watching a 10 part miniseries and not finding out who the killer is at the end.

**Foxx** · 05-05-17, 03:15 PM

Originally posted by The Giant

This is like watching a 10 part miniseries and not finding out who the killer is at the end.

I've narrowed it down to either the butcher with the candlestick in the library or the drunken idiot with the mouse in his living room at 4am. One or the other.

**funnyb25** · 05-05-17, 03:32 PM

Originally posted by Foxx

I've narrowed it down to either the butcher with the candlestick in the library or the drunken idiot with the mouse in his living room at 4am. One or the other.

Clue....great game

**stevek173** · 05-05-17, 04:02 PM

However much it was, it was enough to shut him up.

My guess is $2500.

**ronald** · 05-05-17, 04:55 PM

Originally posted by stevek173

However much it was, it was enough to shut him up.

My guess is $2500.

How's your man, Beck?

**lonegambler23** · 05-05-17, 05:03 PM

Originally posted by jjgold

Betonline is a tremendous book

fade betonline

**lonegambler23** · 05-05-17, 05:14 PM

how much did u get pal? this is a gambling forum, not the FBI

**Eddy Munny** · 05-05-17, 05:14 PM

After Msutter gets paid in full, he vowed to violate the "non-disclosure" agreement in private to anyone who submits a request along with their email address. Nice guy.

**JIBBBY** · 05-06-17, 02:55 PM

Originally posted by msutter

Final update. It was a non disclosure agreement like most of you predicted. So can't comment on compensation.

JIBBBY I literally thought I legit won $77K. Was feeling on top of the world for 4 days until I read the email telling me there was a technical error and they confiscated my funds. Did not think there was any glitch. Part of it probably has to do with the slot games these days. It's not the old school 3 reel - bar, cherry, 7's that is easy to read. So many different pay lines now and a bunch of different random symbols in these games that I just press spin and look down at the win amount if something hits.

As I said before I appreciate everyone that took the time to view and comment in this thread. Even the negative comments helped. The power of communities like this make offshore gambling a much safer place.

Sutter you can't disclose how much you got? That kinda sucks as most of us posting on this thread are SERIOUSLY curious to how much you settled for..

I hope you got most of the 77 anyways bud..

Oh and Sorry to call you out and say you knew there was glitch when you didn't... I just figured if you see your balance while playing the slots you would notice how your balance would jump.. That's all.. I assumed wrong...

**JIBBBY** · 05-06-17, 03:00 PM

Originally posted by milwaukee mike

yeah i'm just saying don't put all your eggs in one basket

online poker was booming too right until it wasn't... housing in florida/vegas/arizona right until it lost 70% in 2009... etc etc

circle already stopped doing bitcoin transactions because of irs issues, coinbase has been issued a summons

http://www.coindesk.com/irs-summons-...oinbase-users/

Yep you are on it.. New news out that "criminals" can now be prosecuted in Florida under money laundering charges for using bitcoins...

Miami Herold as of today reports - http://www.miamiherald.com/news/loca...149028844.html

**mohye1980** · 05-06-17, 03:12 PM

Update guys. Spoke to Robert, regarding my own issue asked him if he's the same Robert that helped out op. After brief explanation we figure out it was him.

Sutter got an additional $250 and that's it. Only reason they paid him more is so he would sign the nda. Books always win.

**JIBBBY** · 05-06-17, 03:18 PM

Originally posted by mohye1980

Update guys. Spoke to Robert, regarding my own issue asked him if he's the same Robert that helped out op. After brief explanation we figure out it was him.

Sutter got an additional $250 and that's it. Only reason they paid him more is so he would sign the nda. Books always win.

If true - Sutter initially got the $250 when the dispute opened then another $250 after.. Total payout $500.. THAT SUCKS if true!!!

... Poor Sutter, feel for the man.. Was hoping he would get around 15 gees...

**The Kraken** · 05-06-17, 06:57 PM

Non-disclosure

Like I said, kid would never see a penny more than $750, which is $750 more than they needed to hand out.

Good for Sutter, Good for Betonline

**Plaza23** · 05-06-17, 11:09 PM

Originally posted by The Kraken

Non-disclosure

Like I said, kid would never see a penny more than $750, which is $750 more than they needed to hand out.

Good for Sutter, Good for Betonline

He made $500 on a game that he would have legitimately lost $12,000 on if it was properly working. I'd say Betonline was more than fair.

**The Kraken** · 05-06-17, 11:44 PM

Originally posted by Plaza23

He made $500 on a game that he would have legitimately lost $12,000 on if it was properly working. I'd say Betonline was more than fair.

First, we agree

But to be fair, he would've only lost $88 as that's all he had

I understand where 12,000 comes from but he was never in danger of losing north of $100

Yes, BO was way more than fair, they were quite generous

**milwaukee mike** · 05-07-17, 07:17 AM

Originally posted by JIBBBY

If true - Sutter initially got the $250 when the dispute opened then another $250 after.. Total payout $500.. THAT SUCKS if true!!!

... Poor Sutter, feel for the man.. Was hoping he would get around 15 gees...

even 500 was pretty decent considering the circumstances

i think a reasonable person, after playing for a few hours, even if drunk, would notice that when you bet 150 and only hit something puny for 20 it was paying 170

**Sam Odom** · 05-07-17, 07:20 AM

mikey

post us a winner !