dave, i am protesting against my elinimation

The General · 04-19-09, 11:54 PM

I am sure the fair ruling will come down, Sir.

VegasDave · 04-20-09, 12:07 AM

I will make public the two PMs I sent pico, since this has now been brought up publicly.

My Initial PM:

I wanted to apologize for the unfortunate circumstances of your elimination. It wasn't an easy choice at all, and I am sure that none of you had any intentions of cheating, but the Cubs / Cardinals game was unfortunately officially declared postponed at about 5:40PM ET.

All 3 of you made your pick over an hour after the game had been declared postponed. Again, I believe that you may not have even known that it was postponed, but I have to be fair to everyone else still in the contest and not accept your selection. I apologize.

My 2nd PM:

Every single series of events can not be accounted for. I did not foresee that the last game of the day would be postponed a few hours before it was supposed to start. I know it is unfair, but I think it would be more unfair to allow a pick over an hour after it was taken off of the board.

I do sincerely apologize.

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It is a messy situation, and I agree that it is not clearly addressed in the rules; I will make revisions for the next time we run something like this. But no matter what the call I made here was, it was going to upset someone. Either;

A) I allow the pick to count and advance you on to the next day, and everyone who made picks earlier in the day (especially those eliminated) will argue that had they known they could just wait until a game was postponed and then make that their selection an hour later, they would have just done that, or,

B) I make the call I made, which is understandably frustrating as well.

Once again, I'm sorry that you are unhappy, and I understand. There is no "right" call, but I believe I made the less "wrong" one.

VegasDave · 04-20-09, 12:11 AM

Originally posted by pico

the pitchers were not taken off the list when i made my selection and i never got a pm about it either.

I agree that in hindsight I should have PM'ed you, but it wouldn't have made a difference. Since that was the last game on the board, the PM would have simply read: There are no games left to select, so you are eliminated. And then we'd be right back to where we are now.

The pitchers were switched to red (like all the other games that were off the board), because I decided not to delete them so that players could still see all the matchups later in the day. But my color change was obviously not self explanitory, another mess-up on my end.

tacomax · 04-20-09, 12:38 AM

pico - take this to every forum you can think of. You can be the new shanty.

LVHerbie · 04-20-09, 12:40 AM

At least he was apologetic about it... Louis would just have told you to f-off and jinxed you in the dozen contest to boot...

tacomax · 04-20-09, 01:01 AM

Originally posted by VegasDave

I agree that in hindsight I should have PM'ed you, but it wouldn't have made a difference. Since that was the last game on the board, the PM would have simply read: There are no games left to select, so you are eliminated. And then we'd be right back to where we are now.

The pitchers were switched to red (like all the other games that were off the board), because I decided not to delete them so that players could still see all the matchups later in the day. But my color change was obviously not self explanitory, another mess-up on my end.

Dave, you're far too nice. Please stay like that.

Here's a picture of JLH buying some food. Food that she'd love to smear all over your chest and then lick off slowly.

Bread · 04-20-09, 06:07 AM

Originally posted by LVHerbie

At least he was apologetic about it... Louis would just have told you to f-off and jinxed you in the dozen contest to boot...

Pico you're OUT! Bread is taking over.

AgainstAllOdds · 04-20-09, 07:26 AM

Im pretty sure this is why I dont play in these contests.

yisman · 04-20-09, 07:36 AM

Originally posted by LVHerbie

At least he was apologetic about it... Louis would just have told you to f-off and jinxed you in the dozen contest to boot...

VD is in a bad situation here. I think he made the right call. It's not fair to advance people picking a rained out game either.

If we knew when they were making it up, it'd be easier.

The other solution could be to keep them alive, but then say that to win, they'd have to survive a day longer (because their "streak" would still exist, but be a day shorter than people who didn't pick that game).

pico · 04-20-09, 10:08 AM

this contest is rigged. bunch of scammers.

my pick is legal by the original rules. i see why shit books love this site. you people are all the same.

pico · 04-20-09, 10:08 AM

bodog A+ book. must have out.

fvckers

pavyracer · 04-20-09, 10:10 AM

pico got robbed. what kind of shenanigans is VD pulling again?

Bread · 04-20-09, 10:10 AM

you people are all the same.

YOU PEOPLE?? Who you callin YOU PEOPLE?!?

pico · 04-20-09, 10:14 AM

you people as in people works for the sportsbook and the supporting firms.

AgainstAllOdds · 04-20-09, 10:22 AM

These bubblegums mods shouldnt be running the contests.

Lets get BBD back.

VegasDave · 04-20-09, 10:22 AM

Pico, I've already admitted that the rules were flawed in not clearly specifying what happens in the instance that the last game on the board is postponed and a pick is made over an hour after it has been taken off the board. I admittedly did not see that coming, and I have apologized for it. I will amend the rules to be more clear in future contests.

What do I say to the guys that picked Ubaldo Jimenez and Matt Garza (and the others that didn't survive yesterday), that had they waited until a game was taken off the board and picked it an hour later they'd still be alive?

What do I say to bailey, 20four7, and Dark Horse, who realized they weren't going to be able to get to a computer all day so they made their pick before I even put the matchups thread up?

I wish the game hadn't have gotten rained out. It is a raw deal. I'm not sure what you are looking for. If you are looking for an apology, I have given you multiple ones, all sincere. If you are looking for admittance of negligence on my part, you've gotten that too, this is my first contest and it isn't perfect, and can use some fine tuning for next time.

If you are looking to be reinstated, I'm sorry, but that is not going to happen. My decision is final, and while it is unfortunate I do not believe it is unjust.

AgainstAllOdds · 04-20-09, 10:29 AM

Dave,

We dont like slip ups like this. $100 is alot of money to some people and by screwing up on contests, you may ruin lives. Dave lets cut the shit and get BBD back and Pico reinstated. Stop trying to play god with posters lives.

Thanks Ace.

-AAO

pavyracer · 04-20-09, 10:35 AM

Maybe baseball should not be part of a Survivor contest in the month of April where there are daily cancelled games due to bad weather.

VegasDave · 04-20-09, 10:36 AM

Originally posted by AgainstAllOdds

Dave,

We dont like slip ups like this. $100 is alot of money to some people and by screwing up on contests, you may ruin lives. Dave lets cut the shit and get BBD back and Pico reinstated. Stop trying to play god with posters lives.

Thanks Ace.

-AAO

My decision affected 3 players who got a raw deal with the game not being played due to a postponement. My decision to reinstate the three of them would negatively affect the 16 players who are still in the contest who got a pick in before the last game was taken off the board, and also the 11 posters who were eliminated yesterday because they got a pick in before the last game was taken off the board.

By your logic, that screwing up the contest is messing with lives and that I shouldn't play god with posters lives, then you must agree that a ruling negatively affecting 3 posters is the lesser evil to a ruling negatively affecting 27 posters.

Thanks Ace

-Dave

AgainstAllOdds · 04-20-09, 10:40 AM

Dave I havent lost an internet battle since 1998 and that was to Sick Gambler (the all time greatest internet forum fighter). Lets not go down this route as it will end bad for you.

Lets get BBD back.

pavyracer · 04-20-09, 10:41 AM

Originally posted by AgainstAllOdds

Dave I havent lost an internet battle since 1998 and that was to Sick Gambler (the all time greatest internet forum fighter). Lets not go down this route as it will end bad for you.

Lets get BBD back.

You were on sport gambling forums at 10 years old?

pico · 04-20-09, 10:43 AM

you know i have to go to bed. i was waiting before you post that damn thread, but you post it like 11am. i woke up and pick the only pitcher that is not off the thread. how was i suppose to know that game is rained out? what kind of contest are you running here?

how about think of another great interesting contest and change the rules as we go. that is how some books does it. i don;t know why people complain out that.

i have not broken any original rules and i was eliminated. this is not about the money. it is the principle. bunch of scammers.

themajormt · 04-20-09, 10:44 AM

Dave I think you have been very fair... And Pico is known as a guy to try and stretch things... Didnt he post "are alternate run lines acceptable" or something like that? I am sure you tried to slip that one in Pico...

onthewhat · 04-20-09, 10:44 AM

AAO you are a nit wit

Dave made the right call here

pavyracer · 04-20-09, 10:44 AM

VegasDave is basically screwing all the Asian or European contestants because of time differences. This is equivalent ot racism.

pico · 04-20-09, 10:45 AM

i believe betUS have some interesting props too. wait til you think you won it and they change the rules on you. A+ book.

Chi_archie · 04-20-09, 10:45 AM

[quote=AgainstAllOdds;1763856]Dave I havent lost an internet battle since 1998 and that was to Sick Gambler (the all time greatest internet forum fighter). Lets not go down this route as it will end bad for you.

AgainstAllOdds · 04-20-09, 10:46 AM

Pico...basically mods like to play god around here. Lou once changed a contest rule in the middle of it and fuked Bread in the process. Common practice around this joint.

Lets get BBD back.

Bread · 04-20-09, 10:46 AM

I watched Executive Decision yesterday and there was a plane with a bomb in it that was taken over by terrorists. If this plane reached the states, it could've caused an explosion that would've taken out a quarter of the Eastern seaboard.

So there were some tough decisions to make. Does the United States government blast this plane out of the sky over the Atlantic Ocean somewhere, killing about 400 Americans while at it, or let the plane go and wipe out millions of innocent people?

Luckily Kurt Russell saved the day. But my point is that sometimes collateral damage is necessary. Sorry Pico.

pico · 04-20-09, 10:47 AM

Originally posted by themajormt

Dave I think you have been very fair... And Pico is known as a guy to try and stretch things... Didnt he post "are alternate run lines acceptable" or something like that? I am sure you tried to slip that one in Pico...

you're a moron. first time betting?

Bread · 04-20-09, 10:48 AM

Originally posted by AgainstAllOdds

Pico...basically mods like to play god around here. Lou once changed a contest rule in the middle of it and fuked Bread in the process. Common practice around this joint.

Lets get BBD back.

I still wake up in cold sweats over that one. What a doozie!

VegasDave · 04-20-09, 10:49 AM

Originally posted by pico

you know i have to go to bed. i was waiting before you post that damn thread, but you post it like 11am. i woke up and pick the only pitcher that is not off the thread. how was i suppose to know that game is rained out? what kind of contest are you running here?

how about think of another great interesting contest and change the rules as we go. that is how some books does it. i don;t know why people complain out that.

i have not broken any original rules and i was eliminated. this is not about the money. it is the principle. bunch of scammers.

I'm sorry you feel this way. I've addressed this issue as best I can after the fact.

onthewhat · 04-20-09, 10:51 AM

Pico makes $15k bets on USC moneylines and is worried about having a 1 in 15 chance of winning $100?

Doesn't pass the smell test.

Give it up pico man

smitch124 · 04-20-09, 10:51 AM

What I've seen others do in similar survivor contests when this type of thing happens, is make the person who has chosen the canceled game choose 2 the next day.

So in this case Pico would have to choose 2 pitchers to go 6 innings and both have to make it for him to advance.