At least one third of the people in this country are drooling halfwits

[reno cool]

Contrary to popular belief... there is no static equilibrium in the free market. Neither the government nor the free market by itself is capable of correcting to said equilibrium. There are only dynamic conditions that maximize social welfare. Compromise from all sides and involvement from all sides is necessary.

I don't really know where im trying to go with this but I feel like it justifies some of my comments.

you're right on.
the govt is scum. But thats because it panders to private wealthy interests instead of the public.
The right-wingers like to think that there is some kind of free and fair market that (at some point I guess) ruled the nation. But of course thats nothing but a fairy tale.

[reno cool]

you imply that companies are evil for bribing the government "that sways or makes decisions", then you express your content with the government picking winners and losers rather than the free market.

for ignorance indeed.

no, the govt is supposed to be a representative of the needs of the public as a whole.

[losturmarbles]

you're right on.
the govt is scum. But thats because it panders to private wealthy interests instead of the public.
The right-wingers like to think that there is some kind of free and fair market that (at some point I guess) ruled the nation. But of course thats nothing but a fairy tale.

well at least we agree on something, but youre delusional if you think they dont pander to the public. that's what democracy is, pandering to the crude and mindless whims of the masses.

dont know what your second part of your post is referring to.

[losturmarbles]

no, the govt is supposed to be a representative of the needs of the public as a whole.

says who? please tell me what section of the constitution to refer to find this at.

reno stop jerking off to Das Kapital, and maybe give Atlas Shrugged a chance.

[reno cool]

The options are:
1. govt represents the interest of business, land owners, the wealthy (this is what we have)
2. govt represents the interest of people and society as a whole
3. a radically different social order that has no central govt.

I would prefer 3, but this is not whats at issue here.
between options 1 and 2, you're arguing for 1.

If you're going to tell me that govt is only there to provide for military and police, (as I believe you said before) then clearly that is covered under 1.

[dwaechte]

We get it OOL, youre a ****ing idiot. Do you really need to remind us every single day?

[losturmarbles]

The options are:
1. govt represents the interest of business, land owners, the wealthy (this is what we have)
2. govt represents the interest of people and society as a whole
3. a radically different social order that has no central govt.

I would prefer 3, but this is not whats at issue here.
between options 1 and 2, you're arguing for 1.

If you're going to tell me that govt is only there to provide for military and police, (as I believe you said before) then clearly that is covered under 1.

do yourself a favor and refer to this novel document please:

http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html

and stop yapping about society and wealthy and the rest of the spiel and maybe you can rewrite the communist manifesto.

since youre so bent on govt pandering to the wealthy and this being tax day, curious how much of federal taxes collected did the top 1% of income earners pay? how much did the top 5% pay?
i guess since govt is "pandering" to the wealthy, this has to be an absurdly low amount.

i'll go ahead and give you a hint, the bottom 50% of income earners only pay around 3% of the total collected.
but i'll let you guess how much the rest pay...

[pavyracer]

So you are either a right wing extremist or a communist in this country. No gray...just black or white.

[dwaechte]

To everyone in this thread:

What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

[reno cool]

I always thought the bottom 1% paid 50% of the taxes.
give it up man.
Why don't you tell me how many wars the bottom 50% fight to preserve the interests of the 1%.

[ATB515]

Obama our Lord, I challenge you to a gentleman's duel.

[tacomax]

You must be over 40 and think that Reagan is one of the top 3 presidents in history?

The guy delivers pizzas to pay the bills. I don't think he knows much about running a household never mind running the country.

[losturmarbles]

The guy delivers pizzas to pay the bills. I don't think he knows much about running a household never mind running the country.

you must be a miserable sonuvabitch. it's always personal shots with you. it's a sad and pathetic life you live, to get so much joy playing internet detective just so you can try to slam someone on a message board.

[losturmarbles]

So you are either a right wing extremist or a communist in this country. No gray...just black or white.

reno is 100% socialist and he's proud of it.

[ryanXL977]

things are falling apart all around this dude and he keeps arguing for the status quo. Someone told him years ago how great free markets are, and he wont ever believe otherwise. dogma is a bitch.

[losturmarbles]

I always thought the bottom 1% paid 50% of the taxes.
give it up man.
Why don't you tell me how many wars the bottom 50% fight to preserve the interests of the 1%.

not surprised at all.

but according to the treasury department, top 1% of income earners pay roughly 40% of federal income tax, yet their income only represents roughly 22%. the top 5% pay over 60%, while the income represents 37%.

here's a chart:



now which group does govt pander to again?

[losturmarbles]

things are falling apart all around this dude and he keeps arguing for the status quo. Someone told him years ago how great free markets are, and he wont ever believe otherwise. dogma is a bitch.

is the status quo govt following the Constitution and protecting my rights instead of trying to grant them?

still no rational thoughts yet ryan? its ok.

[ryanXL977]

and what percentage of all moneys earned does the top 1% or 5% earn.


if i make 20 mil a year, paying 8 of it isnt a big deal. if i make 40k, paying 10k is a huge deal. i feel sooooo sorry for multimillionaires. poor guys!

[losturmarbles]

and what percentage of all moneys earned does the top 1% or 5% earn.


if i make 20 mil a year, paying 8 of it isnt a big deal. if i make 40k, paying 10k is a huge deal. i feel sooooo sorry for multimillionaires. poor guys!

please learn to read:

[quote=losturmarbles;1752206]not surprised at all.

but according to the treasury department, top 1% of income earners pay roughly 40% of federal income tax, yet their income only represents roughly 22%. the top 5% pay over 60%, while the income represents 37%.

[ryanXL977]

dude, do you ever have a rational thought? seriously. everything you say is irrational. All i need to do is visit Cato to know what you will say before you say it. Lil heritage parrot. SQWAK! LOW taxes. SQWAK> less government. SQWAK.

this aint 1779, we dont need to worry about the english invading.

i bet if you were around in the last 1950s, you would have been the first to suggest eisenhower was wrong to build the interstates. How dare he do that! Its not in the constitution!!

[losturmarbles]

dude, do you ever have a rational thought? seriously. everything you say is irrational. All i need to do is visit Cato to know what you will say before you say it. Lil heritage parrot. SQWAK! LOW taxes. SQWAK> less government. SQWAK.

this aint 1779, we dont need to worry about the english invading.

i bet if you were around in the last 1950s, you would have been the first to suggest eisenhower was wrong to build the interstates. How dare he do that! Its not in the constitution!!

nice deflection. typical when you cant argue a point. you must be really desperate to pull out a republican example. either that or maybe YOURE the parrot???

please quote which of my posts are irrational again??? or ones that i'm parroting cato or heritage? wow you can follow an image link.

[reno cool]

not surprised at all.

but according to the treasury department, top 1% of income earners pay roughly 40% of federal income tax, yet their income only represents roughly 22%. the top 5% pay over 60%, while the income represents 37%.

here's a chart:



now which group does govt pander to again?

of course, we understand that the top earners pay a higher amount in taxes. The opposite would be mathematically impossible. We also understand that the higher income earners pay a higher % of their income in taxes.
There is some question of whats considered an earner.Also some business could be making more than their taxable income would show: loopholes, deductions. That's why some need 50 lawers
to do their taxes.
Companies make all kinds of deals with govt, various institutions,public representatives. They make use of public resources....media(why tv and radio has turned into pure garbage), roads,police,in some cases the military.
There's no comparison between them and some individual working for a wage.

[reno cool]

Personally I'd be happy with no income tax or ss taxes. A sales tax excluding certain basic things like food would be fine by me. Or disband the ****er altogether.

[losturmarbles]

reno you sound like a FairTax supporter... hmm, WOW if you are. you might not be such a bad guy after all.

repeal the 16th amendment and pass the FairTax, that would be the only stimulus our economy would ever need. ever.