D Wade, Best pound for pound NBA player ever
The guys 6-4 and 216 pounds, but dominates the game like a 6-8 Kobe Bryant or Lebron James. Dude's unbelievable.
Here's other notables
Charles Barkley
Allen Iverson
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Charles Barkley
Allen Iverson
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maybe larry bird?Comment -
Kobe is 6'6Comment -
Jordan was the best all-around player by a mile. Kobe is getting there. Wade is great, but he's a distant 5th or 6th behind Bird and even Lebron.Comment -
Pound for pound I'd have to say KryptoNate... He's a freak of nature.Comment -
You have Lebron, Wade and Kobe in the top 6 of all time??? WTF you dont know much about basketball do you?Originally posted by RoagBettorComment -
I'm talking about the modern era. You can't compare apples to oranges. And I've probably forgotten more basketball than you know.Comment -
you just lost all sorts of credibility. ALLEN IVERSON? and there is no better pound for pound player than michael jordan. If he had lebrons size he would have won 18 rings."This is why my basketball intelligence is unmatched on this site. I'm sure there are better cappers but no one can tell you the strategies of most coaches before the game even starts "
Goat MilkComment -
Ralphie - right on! And I grew up near Boston and loved Bird, but Jordan is by far the best ever. Kobe is on his way to being near the top, and someday Lebron may be there with his unbelievable physical gifts.Comment -
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not even 6 feet
not even 180 lbs
people sure forget the guy got 28 ppg for 10 yearsComment -
Iverson was a great scorer, not one of the greatest players ever. There's a long list of great scorers who aren't in the Top 50 of greatest players ever.Comment -
iverson is a cancer these days, the pistons are better off without him and u saw how denver improved."This is why my basketball intelligence is unmatched on this site. I'm sure there are better cappers but no one can tell you the strategies of most coaches before the game even starts "
Goat MilkComment -
Allen Iverson is a hall of famerComment -
He very well may be inducted and deservedly so, but he's not in the Top 10 of greatest players in the modern era.Comment -
Originally posted by ZBOIZ
yes he is
absoultely
the pounding that guy took, the shit teams he played on, and every year they were in the top of the east when he was on the sixers. He may not be as good anymore, i dont know. Detroit is not the place he should be, they dont run, and he needs to run. Im sure he is still capable of scoring 20ppg, easily.Comment -
Anthony Jerome WebbComment -
D Wade is great but not anywhere near the best. Best of all time is between Jordan and Wilt. It probably goes to Jordan overall because his defense was better. Magic and Bird are also in the conversation.
Lebron is probably the most likely modern player to compete or even surpass these guys. He has a complete game. While Kobe is a great scorer, he is decent defender and does not do much to create for others. D Wade is great in spurts but won't have the overall body of work of Kobe or Lebron.
Iverson isn't even in the conversation; he doesn't play defense. He is probably one of the most overrated modern day players.Comment -
Alright, let me rephrase it then. Wade, Iverson, or Barkley are playing in a league against giants, yet they were dominate in their position. Jordan, Bird, Kobe or others had the height and the reach advantage that work favorable for them. Wade is not the biggest guy on the court, yet he plays like he's one of the Giants. This was what I meant pound for pound.Comment -
Wade is pretty good -- MVP caliber for sure -- however he is still the darling of the refs and gets away with more than most other players in the league. Sure, you can make the argument that all the greats (including Jordan) got away with a lot -- but Wade wears body-armor (!!!) and still has trouble leading his team to the playoffs. This year, though, my respect for him has greatly increased, as he has indeed taken his team to the playoffs by himself.
Wade's size will haunt him forever, though. He has great speed, but he won't be able to do the things Lebron does. Lebron is a one in a billion (or even ten billion) freak. Excluding Wilt (because of drastically different eras), only Magic should be in the conversation as "best ever" with Jordan. Magic was the Lebron of his day -- tremendous physical gifts AND ability. Jordan also was a physical beast -- people forget that his 6'6 SG of the day was quite big. Now 6'6 is the standard -- but 6'4 was more like the standard when Jordan dominated. Jordan probably was more of a Point-Forward (like Lebron?) -- but he played "out of position" most likely because of Scottie Pippen -- who, because he also was endowed with unique size and ball-handling skills, played the "point forward" position. In the first year without Jordan, Pippen averaged 22.0 points, 8.7 rebounds, 5.6 assists, 2.9 steals, 1.9 three-pointers, and 0.8 blocks per game, while shooting 49.1% from the field and a career-best 32% from the three-point line. That is SICK -- imagine having that on your fantasy basketball team -- or you could just draft Lebron or Chris Paul. Given how good Pippen was, Jordan dwarfed him. It's disgusting, really, just how good, really, Michael Jordan was. Only Magic, and later, Lebron, should be in the conversation as being "just as good as Jordan." Kobe doesn't have the size -- Kobe is 6'6 -- which is standard -- and doesn't have the ball-handling (read: assists) that makes guys like Lebron and Magic disgusting.
Just my two-cents.Comment -
Wade is good but like Zenter said in a round about way he will never carry a team like lebron.
If Wade played on Cleve without Lebron they win like 47 games or so. Lebron can make any team a winner.
Wade is a great offensive player no doubt but does not make anyone better on his team and does not do enough to be a dominant all around player where his team is very hard to beat.Comment -
Barkley was like 300lbs, this is ridic. I think Jordan was only something like 190lbs in his younger years in the league. He's >>>> Wade and lighter.Comment -
Sir Charles sure was an animal. And, pound for pound, he definitely achieved more than he should have given his height. I think he could start at PF (maybe?) on the Pound-for-Pound All First Team.
Regarding Iverson -- yeah, he's in the conversation as best little man to ever play the game. But what about Isiah Thomas? That brother was tiny, won legit championships, carried his team in the clutch on countless occasions, and played arguably better defense than AI. I'll give Zeke the nod at starting PG on my Pfp All First Team -- sorry AI fans. Zeke's got the pedigree and the swagger to back it up. AI has one dismal finals appearance and a host of angry teams left in his wake.Comment -
I see all this argument about how much better Lebron is than Wade. How can Lebron be the only one compared to Jordan? Has he won a championship with the Cavs? Have the Cavs missed playoffs in years he has played the whole season? Who has more game winners in their career Lebron or Wade? Wade missed the playoffs for the first time EVER last season and he was injured for about 80% of the season. His ability to make plays in the clutch is just amazing. The only player in the NBA I want to have the ball with the game on the line more than Wade is Kobe. I am not saying Lebron doesn't have all the skills to eventually get better with his jumpshot and in late game situations to actually score instead of hit all iron, but right now that is the kind of player Lebron is.
Wade = PPG 29.9 RPG 5.0 APG 7.5 SPG 2.2 BPG 1.4 FT% .764 FG% .489
Lebron = PPG 28.3 RPG 7.6 APG 7.3 SPG 1.7 BPG 1.2 FT% .779 FG% .489
So can somebody please explain to me how a 6-8 guy is only beating Wade in two categories RPG and FT%, but is still considered to be that much dominately better than the other player? I am sorry I just do not see it. I like Lebron, but someone made mention to all the "calls" that go in favor of Wade I think that number is even more inflated for Lebron. Either way it doesn't matter to me the only players that can even be talked about comparing to Jordan have to get rings first. Wade and Kobe already have their rings and I think it is going to take Lebron a long time before he gets one of his own.Comment -
Lebron has a higher 3 pt % than Wade as well and he leads his team in all 5 major statistic's. I watch the Heat and Cav's play all season and I like both players but the main difference is that the Cav's are 65-15 and the Heat are 42-38, just barely above 0.500
If the record of both teams were reversed and the Heat had the best record in the game then no doubt, Wade would be my MVP. Both him and Lebron are holding both teams up but Lebron is doing a better job. Wade has won a championship but him just like Kobe had to have Shaq in order to get it done. Heck MJ had Pippen to get his. Who does Lebron have??? I can't think of another star player that won a title without at least one other All star playing with them. Having at least 2 stars seem to be a prerequisite to a title. Now, The Detroit Piston's could be argued that they were a team that won without so called All Stars but I have to think that Billups, Rip, Tayshaun and Sheed all could be considered stars.
Lebron is doing what I thought would be impossible. Winning with a bunch of stiffs. Plus the team was decimated by injuries all year long and they still had the best record in basketball and are about to go 40-1 at home. That's incredible when you stop and think about it.Comment -
michael jordan, 6'6 215 ainecComment -
The Cavs will never get past the Celtics and make it to the Finals.Comment -
Haha, the Celtic's are done this year. I wouldn't be surprised if they get upset in the first round. The only team that can beat the Cav's in the East are the Magic and they are having difficulties right now. If they meet the Pistons 1st round they will be out as well.Originally posted by RoagBettor
Cleveland's not losing at home to any East team in the loffs.Comment -
frostno your statements in the future will now have absolutely no truth or substance ever again. Jordan by far the best athlete to ever play professional basketball, they rest of your jibberish is just out there, barkley lolComment -
Wade might be a little offensive player currently but anyone starting a team and had to puck from the two Lebron would win and get 100% of the vote.Comment -
look at pictures of kobe standing next to wade. kobe has an inch on wade...thats it.Comment -
That is what I love about sports we can always have debates and it is pretty much impossible to agree on anything involving them. In my opinion Wade would actually be who I would start my team with. I know that the Cavs lack serious stars around Lebron although I think Williams could definitely be considered a star in the NBA. Wade's team does not have as good of a record, but he is playing with two rookies, and a bunch of first and second year players getting a bunch of minutes. That is really impressive and to me deserves merit, because I believe that Wade has a better ability to take over a game offensively to carry a team while Lebron has to have other players help out more. With his skills and abilities I am sure one day he will be able to completely take over a game, but right now I think Wade is better in that department and Wade is also the better defender right now. To me that is the guy I start my team with, but Lebron has no ceiling on how great he can get so you are pretty well set for the future no matter which guy you get. Either one could be in the greatest ever discussion by the time they are through with their career.Originally posted by jjgoldComment -
Look at the avatar. Enough said.Comment -
Oscar Robertson, Earvin Johnson, Larry Bird, Rick Barry, Michael Jordan, Wilt Chamberlain, David Thompson, George Gervin, John Stockton, George Mikan, Jerry West NBA
Pete Maravich, Christian Laettner, Earl Monroe, Elvin Hayes, Lew Alcindor, Akeem Olajuwon, Kenny Anderson, Gary Payton, Isiah Thomas, Jerry West NCAAComment -
Michael Jordan, end of story.
Let's not fool ourselves here. All of the players mentioned here are undeniably great. Tell someone "who's the first person you think when I say basketball?" and the answer will be usually MJ. Plus no one endured as much double-triple team (aside from Shaq) and hard ball as MJ did, and he still played through it with FLAIR.Comment -
Well then you've forgotten a shitload because you clearly don't know much.I'm talking about the modern era. You can't compare apples to oranges. And I've probably forgotten more basketball than you know.Comment
