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  • SBR Lou
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    • 08-02-07
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    #1
    Should China bail out the West?
    China Should Bail Out the West
    With as much as $2 trillion in currency reserves—by far the most on earth—China could save the day. It could become a lender of last resort to distressed banks and other financial firms across the world, or could funnel some of its money to the International Monetary Fund, which helps stabilize debt-ridden countries. Beijing could even bankroll a large, new “global rescue fund” to help countries hit hardest by the crisis, an idea proposed at one recent world summit.

    By investing in a global financial rescue, China could no longer go it alone; its fortunes would now be closely tied to the health of the world. A nation that has helped bail out, say, South Africa—a country hit hard by the global financial crisis—could hardly also continue backing Zimbabwe, where the ongoing political warfare destabilizes its neighbors by sending thousands of refugees streaming into South Africa. A nation investing all over the globe could no longer avoid joining the clubs of major powers, like the G-8 summit of industrialized nations, to which China does not yet belong. And a country that, eventually, might wind up using its massive savings to rescue much of America’s financial institutions would find it harder to, one day, turn around and attack the United States.

    (comment from user): You guys have some strange ideas anything to take the blame off you right. This problem started and ended with you, the American citizens. You are the materialistic ones who buy whatever you want. Who came up with Fast unhealthy food and prepackaged food that tastes like crap and has half the nutritional value food freshly cooked. Processed easy and fast is the motto of the American civilization today and it sad that it has spilled over into nations closest to you.

    You have created a culture where money and materialism is the name of the game and you should do anything to get it. Companies going to other countries for cheap labor to make you happy when if you guys had the jobs there would be so much less unemployment. How much of what you really have on your shelves says Made in America anymore? Made in Canada, Mexico and China yes but America very little or not as much as there should be. I know that living here in St. Lucia I used to see so much on the shelves saying made in the USA but that has changed so much since i have grown up.

    What exactly does the USA make anymore? You have become a country of service industries. Where is the farming and the manufacturing. I urge you to do as many of the third world citizens are doing to take some things back to basics. make something for yourself. Cook something for yourself. Because we are also suffering from your bad management practices. We are not strong enough to stand on our feet something which I am not proud of! But we expected you to be strong enough to stand on your. Wake up people and GO BACK TO BASICS! walk the couple of blocks to work.

    The picture that The USA has painted of the world is not good you have shown the world that you are not the hard working people we used to know but that you have become materialistic, opportunistic, lazy and stupid. Where is the America people used to dream about visiting or living in with pride. You Blame other people for things you had control over. You made the choices to start buying everything you saw advertised and that you had to everything. A starter house a middle house and retirement home BULLSHIT. A starter house did anyone even know what a starter house was until you guys created it? FODD FOR THOUGHT!
  • therber2
    Restricted User
    • 12-22-08
    • 3715

    #2
    Asia has already realized that bad American economy = global bull market. The world wants to get off America!
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    • smarmy
      SBR MVP
      • 08-03-08
      • 1863

      #3
      didn't she bang x-pac?
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      • durito
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        • 07-03-06
        • 13173

        #4
        Was this post part of your paid duties at sbr?
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        • RogueJuror
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          • 07-08-08
          • 10010

          #5
          Originally posted by smarmy
          didn't she bang x-pac?
          1-2-3 Kid?

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          • SBR Lou
            BARRELED IN @ SBR!
            • 08-02-07
            • 37863

            #6
            Originally posted by durito
            Was this post part of your paid duties at sbr?
            No, but giving you that infraction earlier was.
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            • tacomax
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              • 08-10-05
              • 9619

              #7
              Originally posted by durito
              Was this post part of your paid duties at sbr?
              He's in training to fill the gap in the political content threads that was opened up when BBD left. He's doing a pretty good job so far.

              Sports betting and handicapping forum: discuss picks, odds, and predictions for upcoming games and results on latest bets.
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              Originally posted by BuddyBear
              I'd probably most likely chose Pags to jack off too.
              Originally posted by curious
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              • durito
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                • 07-03-06
                • 13173

                #8
                Originally posted by CrazyLou
                No, but giving you that infraction earlier was.

                That was stellar work I must say. You are really improving SBR. You make enough money this week to pay your bookie?
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                • Data
                  SBR MVP
                  • 11-27-07
                  • 2236

                  #9
                  Originally posted by CrazyLou
                  The author has some obsession over China, so he thought it would be cool to write about his study subject and make his writings current by talking about world-wide economic crisis. Sounds like a good idea, the little problem is that the author is economically clueless beyond any beliefs. His article is so out of whack, it cannot be saved. I will just point the idea I found the most ridiculous.

                  He talks about China's currency reserves as if those were the money waiting to be invested. First, those are not green bucks but the Treasuries. China cannot sell them due to two reasons: 1) they need to keep the renminbi exchange rates low to support their export which is the only reason they bought them in the first place; 2) a complete and instant world economy collapse. Pick any one you like. Yet the author talks about where China could invest those money and how those money can make China a global liquidity provider. To invest, China has only about $200 billion in their SWF. Even combined with their currency reserves, that again they cannot touch, China has about $1600 per citizen in their reserves. Now, compare this with UAE's SWF of about $900 billion (ADIA). That comes down to about $100,000 per citizen. Now, tell me what country really has the money to spare. And that is precisely why they have been on the buying spree as of late.
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                  • tacomax
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                    • 08-10-05
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                    #10
                    But apart from that what did you think about the article?
                    Originally posted by pags11
                    SBR would never get rid of me...ever...
                    Originally posted by BuddyBear
                    I'd probably most likely chose Pags to jack off too.
                    Originally posted by curious
                    taco is not a troll, he is a bubonic plague bacteria.
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                    • tacomax
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                      • 08-10-05
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                      #11
                      Interesting that the article appears on a website called "GOOD". I fully expected it to come from asteamingpileofshite.com
                      Originally posted by pags11
                      SBR would never get rid of me...ever...
                      Originally posted by BuddyBear
                      I'd probably most likely chose Pags to jack off too.
                      Originally posted by curious
                      taco is not a troll, he is a bubonic plague bacteria.
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                      • wtf
                        SBR Posting Legend
                        • 08-22-08
                        • 12983

                        #12
                        i live in china

                        they will be lucky to survive this themselves

                        that article was written to the naive attending junior colleges throughout america
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                        • Chi_archie
                          SBR Aristocracy
                          • 07-22-08
                          • 63165

                          #13
                          wasn't china fast on its way to trying to consume the western ways in a "western way" up until about september WTF? have/had you seen a noticable change in individual and collective buying/marketing/living stanards over the last few years...if you've been there more then a few?
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                          • RogueJuror
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                            • 07-08-08
                            • 10010

                            #14
                            Originally posted by wtf
                            naive attending junior colleges throughout america
                            this are the best kind, go america

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                            • tacomax
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                              • 08-10-05
                              • 9619

                              #15
                              I knew someone who went to China and said that people pissed and shat on the streets. China did not make it.
                              Originally posted by pags11
                              SBR would never get rid of me...ever...
                              Originally posted by BuddyBear
                              I'd probably most likely chose Pags to jack off too.
                              Originally posted by curious
                              taco is not a troll, he is a bubonic plague bacteria.
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                              • wtf
                                SBR Posting Legend
                                • 08-22-08
                                • 12983

                                #16
                                taco, that is india that shit anywhere, chinese are very clean , at least try to keep their person clean

                                been in china 20 years now, changes are like night and day due to adopting pseudo capitalism

                                yes they all want a car and the newest handbag

                                they are honest , hard working and smart
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                                • RogueJuror
                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                  • 07-08-08
                                  • 10010

                                  #17
                                  i piss in the streets in manhattan, a little piss ain't nothing

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                                  • tacomax
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                                    • 08-10-05
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                                    #18
                                    From another forum, posted a month ago:

                                    I must differ from the majority of expat complaints about Chinese society on this website. I have only been here for half a year (not in Shanghai) and already I have embraced many aspects of their (now my) culture.

                                    I now regularly:

                                    - spit on the street
                                    - urinate on the street
                                    - smoke in cabs
                                    - smoke in restaurants
                                    - smoke in the gym
                                    - smoke in hospitals
                                    - throw rubbish when walking or driving down the street (and that's my good deed for the day as I am keeping people in employment)
                                    - keep mistresses
                                    - visit bathhouses
                                    - walk around naked in the changerooms
                                    - ignore pedestrians on pedestrian crossings
                                    - drive headlong into witches' cauldron intersections where the lights have failed
                                    - fail to say please for anything
                                    - no longer see a queue as something that I have to go to the end of

                                    I am building myself up for:

                                    - defecating on the street
                                    - defecating in one of those public toilets with no doors
                                    - drying my arse with a hair dryer in the gym
                                    - defecating in the shower in the gym (reverse the order of my aforementioned bullet point)
                                    - defecating in the middle of a field
                                    - attending a public execution

                                    What I am asking all of you here is: please do not complain about these behaviours anymore. If you don't like it then move to Singapore where you will get a good public caning if you engage in such conduct.

                                    I myself now consider myself both a cultural refugee from the west as well as an economic migrant. If your complaining actually ever does anything to change the behaviour of the Chinese, then I will have to flee from here as well.

                                    No more whinging please! I love the way I can behave here. This is not a ****-stir.
                                    Originally posted by pags11
                                    SBR would never get rid of me...ever...
                                    Originally posted by BuddyBear
                                    I'd probably most likely chose Pags to jack off too.
                                    Originally posted by curious
                                    taco is not a troll, he is a bubonic plague bacteria.
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                                    • Slim
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 11-13-08
                                      • 4722

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by Data
                                      To invest, China has only about $200 billion in their SWF. Even combined with their currency reserves, that again they cannot touch, China has about $1600 per citizen in their reserves. Now, compare this with UAE's SWF of about $900 billion (ADIA). That comes down to about $100,000 per citizen. Now, tell me what country really has the money to spare. And that is precisely why they have been on the buying spree as of late.
                                      China would take over UAE faster than Iraq took over Kuwait.
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                                      • Chi_archie
                                        SBR Aristocracy
                                        • 07-22-08
                                        • 63165

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by RogueJuror
                                        i piss in the streets in manhattan, a little piss ain't nothing

                                        yeah everyone pisses in allies and streets in big cities.... I've seen a few rogue poopers in and alley in this neighborhood...
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                                        • andywend
                                          SBR MVP
                                          • 05-20-07
                                          • 4805

                                          #21
                                          Unfortunately, CrazyLou is 100% right.

                                          We have spent WAY BEYOND OUR MEANS for far too long and we are now trying to solve this mess by spending more money we can't afford as a nation.

                                          Obama and the democrats believe that raising taxes on the wealthy will pay for all this overspending but they couldn't be more wrong. The top 10% of wage earners pay something like 90% of the taxes already and they will make whatever adjustments they feel are necessary (including operating their business in another country if need be) to offset the increased tax burden that is placed on them.

                                          We need to start producing more and spending less and save all of the excess. This is how a country's equity is built.

                                          November 4th (election day closing price) Dow Close = 9625.28
                                          March 9th Dow closing price = 6547.05

                                          Thats a drop of almost 3100 points (over 32% drop in just over 4 months since Obama won the White House and the democrats increased their majority in both houses of congress).

                                          The republicans really aren't much better than the democrats these days but we really need some sort of checks and balances to return to the federal government because these democrats are absolutely out of control.
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                                          • RogueJuror
                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                            • 07-08-08
                                            • 10010

                                            #22
                                            andwend you lost me here..

                                            Originally posted by andywend
                                            Unfortunately, CrazyLou is 100% right.
                                            lou i luv u

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                                            • Slim
                                              SBR MVP
                                              • 11-13-08
                                              • 4722

                                              #23
                                              He's saying obama doesn't know what he's doing.
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                                              • tacomax
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                                                • 08-10-05
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                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by andywend
                                                Unfortunately, CrazyLou is 100% right.
                                                Originally posted by pags11
                                                SBR would never get rid of me...ever...
                                                Originally posted by BuddyBear
                                                I'd probably most likely chose Pags to jack off too.
                                                Originally posted by curious
                                                taco is not a troll, he is a bubonic plague bacteria.
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                                                • Robust
                                                  SBR MVP
                                                  • 09-13-08
                                                  • 3254

                                                  #25
                                                  comparing two economies that differ so greatly is the same as asking if you should sh1t or piss..

                                                  stf everyone.. fvck china.. we'll get through this or it will kill us.. (now did you just think there is no fvcken way?!?!?!?!?!)

                                                  go AMERICA!! we got the answers.. just sorting out who gets the majority of the money.. as always..

                                                  Robust
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                                                  • andywend
                                                    SBR MVP
                                                    • 05-20-07
                                                    • 4805

                                                    #26
                                                    While Crazy Lou could have used a little more tact, if you read his comments you'll find that everything he said was basically true.

                                                    I'm not at all concerned what foreign nations think about us but the fact remains we have been living beyond our means as a nation for quite some time.

                                                    Slim, Obama doesn't have a clue as to what he is doing.

                                                    Even Warren Buffett who is an outspoken democrat and strongly supported Barack Obama said in his interview with CNBC that its wrong for the democrats to be using this financial meltdown as an excuse to fund every pet pork program they have had on their wish list for the last 15 years.

                                                    He also said Obama can't expect bi-partisan support when he is cramming so much down the throats of republicans.

                                                    Here's the link to the interview (scroll about half way down the page)
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                                                    • reno cool
                                                      SBR MVP
                                                      • 07-02-08
                                                      • 3567

                                                      #27
                                                      From another forum, posted a month ago:

                                                      Quote:
                                                      I must differ from the majority of expat complaints about Chinese society on this website. I have only been here for half a year (not in Shanghai) and already I have embraced many aspects of their (now my) culture.

                                                      I now regularly:

                                                      - spit on the street
                                                      - urinate on the street
                                                      - smoke in cabs
                                                      - smoke in restaurants
                                                      - smoke in the gym
                                                      - smoke in hospitals
                                                      - throw rubbish when walking or driving down the street (and that's my good deed for the day as I am keeping people in employment)
                                                      - keep mistresses
                                                      - visit bathhouses
                                                      - walk around naked in the changerooms
                                                      - ignore pedestrians on pedestrian crossings
                                                      - drive headlong into witches' cauldron intersections where the lights have failed
                                                      - fail to say please for anything
                                                      - no longer see a queue as something that I have to go to the end of


                                                      I am building myself up for:

                                                      - defecating on the street
                                                      - defecating in one of those public toilets with no doors
                                                      - drying my arse with a hair dryer in the gym
                                                      - defecating in the shower in the gym (reverse the order of my aforementioned bullet point)
                                                      - defecating in the middle of a field
                                                      - attending a public execution

                                                      What I am asking all of you here is: please do not complain about these behaviours anymore. If you don't like it then move to Singapore where you will get a good public caning if you engage in such conduct.

                                                      I myself now consider myself both a cultural refugee from the west as well as an economic migrant. If your complaining actually ever does anything to change the behaviour of the Chinese, then I will have to flee from here as well.

                                                      No more whinging please! I love the way I can behave here. This is not a ****-stir.

                                                      This guy has the perfect life. Though I don"t know what "queue" is
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                                                      • fiveteamer
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                                                        • 04-14-08
                                                        • 10805

                                                        #28
                                                        reno it is a lineup, the guy that posted that is obviously a limey.
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                                                        • Willie Bee
                                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                                          • 02-14-06
                                                          • 15726

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by andywend
                                                          November 4th (election day closing price) Dow Close = 9625.28
                                                          March 9th Dow closing price = 6547.05
                                                          National Debt, Jan 2001: appx $5.8 trillion
                                                          National Debt Jan 2009: appx $11.0 trillion

                                                          Damn Obama, having the power to basically double the national debt during the eight years BEFORE he took office.
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                                                          • SBR Lou
                                                            BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                            • 08-02-07
                                                            • 37863

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by Willie Bee
                                                            National Debt, Jan 2001: appx $5.8 trillion
                                                            National Debt Jan 2009: appx $11.0 trillion

                                                            Damn Obama, having the power to basically double the national debt during the eight years BEFORE he took office.
                                                            Is spending another $500 Billion and having 8,000 earmarks the answer to climbing out of the hole, or will our grandkids be paying for this pork, far left bill?

                                                            His own economic people have quit, every renowned economic expert has spoken against this bill, it is unprecedented. The market continues to drop every day since the bill was announced.

                                                            Are they all wrong?
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                                                            • tacomax
                                                              SBR Hall of Famer
                                                              • 08-10-05
                                                              • 9619

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by Willie Bee
                                                              National Debt, Jan 2001: appx $5.8 trillion
                                                              National Debt Jan 2009: appx $11.0 trillion

                                                              Damn Obama, having the power to basically double the national debt during the eight years BEFORE he took office.
                                                              Anything that happened in the Bush years is Clinton's fault.
                                                              Originally posted by pags11
                                                              SBR would never get rid of me...ever...
                                                              Originally posted by BuddyBear
                                                              I'd probably most likely chose Pags to jack off too.
                                                              Originally posted by curious
                                                              taco is not a troll, he is a bubonic plague bacteria.
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                                                              • SBR Lou
                                                                BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                                • 08-02-07
                                                                • 37863

                                                                #32
                                                                No one is suggesting Obama inherited a rosy situation. However, why is it wrong to criticize a bill that is totally under his control? Is the answer to getting out of debt spending more, borrowing more, 8,000 earmarks (something he campaigned against, 8,000?).

                                                                Wall Street has no confidence in his economic strategies. This isn't just some TV networks spinning this thing, his own economic advisor quit because of his plan. This guy was known as a true liberal, and outright quit.

                                                                Can we weed through the left/right opposition and just discuss this bill and what its upside is?
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                                                                • wtf
                                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                                  • 08-22-08
                                                                  • 12983

                                                                  #33
                                                                  lou impossible to weed it out

                                                                  if mccain proposed this bill, he would be satan and hung out to dry by the liberal press and all the lefties would follow and drink the cool-aid
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                                                                  • tacomax
                                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                    • 08-10-05
                                                                    • 9619

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by CrazyLou
                                                                    Can we weed through the left/right opposition and just discuss this bill and what its upside is?
                                                                    It might help if you tried to engineer some discussion based on an article which wasn't complete bollocks.
                                                                    Originally posted by pags11
                                                                    SBR would never get rid of me...ever...
                                                                    Originally posted by BuddyBear
                                                                    I'd probably most likely chose Pags to jack off too.
                                                                    Originally posted by curious
                                                                    taco is not a troll, he is a bubonic plague bacteria.
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                                                                    • Willie Bee
                                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                                      • 02-14-06
                                                                      • 15726

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by CrazyLou
                                                                      Can we weed through the left/right opposition and just discuss this bill and what its upside is?
                                                                      Guessing its upside is the same as the bailout that Bush signed last fall before leaving office.
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