What did We learn in NCAA today boys?

LT Profits · 03-08-09, 07:17 AM

But there is still no way three Big East teams get one seeds because Memphis won't lose a game, so the only possible change in that case would possibly be Louisville replacing UConn. And even there, I thing the only way that happens is if Louisville beats Conn head-to-head in BE Tourney, since Huskies won easily AT Louisville and they have lost just one game all year to a team other than Pitt.

LT Profits · 03-08-09, 07:20 AM

Originally posted by Chi_archie

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=290630142

and by the way, I don't think you can automatically assume that seedings for the tourney are determined by some arbitrary coaches poll or any other "ranking" system.....

Well in this case, the probable top 4 teams in the polls tomorrow coincides with the current top 4 teams in the Pomeroy Ratings, so yes I do believe they would line up with seedings if field were announced today.

LT Profits · 03-08-09, 07:24 AM

And there is nothing arbitrary about Pomeroys, which is why I feel they are the most accurate ratings out there.

Thus, I DO feel that Memphis is a legitimate threat to win it all, and if they do somehow drop to a two seed, they would become an automatic selection for me in the SBR Contest, as the points in the Finals would be doubled.

Chi_archie · 03-08-09, 07:29 AM

Originally posted by LT Profits

But there is still no way three Big East teams get one seeds because Memphis won't lose a game, so the only possible change in that case would possibly be Louisville replacing UConn. And even there, I thing the only way that happens is if Louisville beats Conn head-to-head in BE Tourney, since Huskies won easily AT Louisville and they have lost just one game all year to a team other than Pitt.

yeah, I really don't know how it will play out... this is what I hope for..... just for the interest/controversy aspect...

Louisville is the big east regular season champ....there is somthing to be said about that...alot actually...

louisville has the easiest road to the BE championship game.... If they were to play Uconn....(which means most likely that Uconn beat Pitt in the semi's)

If louisville beats Uconn..... you got a problem.... because Pitt, Louisville, and Uconn all deserve a bid..... and non has really lost that right....

who do you bump uconn or pitt?

what would make it even more interesting is if memphis struggled (not playing at home) and only won by a few points in any or 2 out of their 3 games in the conference usa tourney....

this memphis team is not the memphis team of last year....

you have a memphis team bumping either pitt, louisville, uconn

when essentially memphis is 2-2 in the big east...and has not played a top 5 BE team yet

w seton hall 84-70
l syracuse 72-65
l georgetown 79-70
w cincy 60-45

makes the selection committee look kind of silly to put memphis 1 ahead of many more well deserving teams... this is not the memphis of last year...

and I'll say it again, don't assume the selection committee gives a hoot about seeding along the lines of the current rankings

Chi_archie · 03-08-09, 07:29 AM

the fact that memphis is #1 in pomeroy makes it completely ridiculous

Blazermaniac · 03-08-09, 09:18 AM

Some games are fixed. And if you don't believe that then you'll learn the hard way. How do you think Vegas makes their money????

yisman · 03-11-09, 01:33 PM

Originally posted by LT Profits

I think UConn is the best team in the country and my pick to win it all. When they lost at home to Pitt, it was their first game without Dyson and it showed. Huskies have bounced back just fine since then, and they will get their revenge AT Pitt this weekend.

Nope.

Anyway, I think Memphis is the best team in the country, while UNC is the one with the most talent.

Originally posted by Blazermaniac

Some games are fixed. And if you don't believe that then you'll learn the hard way. How do you think Vegas makes their money????

That post displays some poor Vegas knowledge.

Chi_archie · 03-11-09, 02:45 PM

tough to call memphis the best team, when they've had the FEWEST real games

element1286 · 03-11-09, 02:52 PM

Memphis is very good, but offensively I don't think they have enough. I still have Pitt and UNC a step above the rest of the field. With Uconn, Memphis, Louisville the next step down.

Chi_archie · 03-11-09, 05:00 PM

I just find it tough to gauge Memphis at all..... last year they had a few more "signature wins"

raydog · 03-11-09, 05:59 PM

memphis interior sucks. niles isnt a basketball player and taggart would rather shoot 3's. pitt and uconn would own the paint against us. mem would really have to light it up in order to beat anyone in the top 5 imo. i think its fairly safe to say that they would revenge their early losses though. cal = great recruiter, avg. coach.

Chi_archie · 03-11-09, 06:28 PM

are memphis shooter's capable of going on a tear for a few big games in the tourney though? how consistent are they?

after the first 2-3 rounds, I think they could be dangerous do to their 3 point shooting...... are they really that live/die by the three?

Taggart doesn't shoot that many 3's this year does he?

yisman · 03-11-09, 06:28 PM

Originally posted by Chi_archie

tough to call memphis the best team, when they've had the FEWEST real games

not tough at all. You can judge a team even if they play in the Conference USA.

The Conference USA is not a little league conference or something. It's obviously not as tough as the Big East or the ACC, but they have good teams.

Memphis's blowout of Gonzaga in Spokane was one of the most impressive performances of the year. Remember, Gonzaga just completely destroyed St. Mary's on a neutral court and Gonzaga will get a #3 or #4 seed.

Memphis also blew out UAB twice. Aside from the two losses to Memphis, UAB was 11-3 in the conference.

The important thing to remember with Memphis is while the top teams have all had bad losses recently, Memphis hasn't played a bad game in over two months.

Their last loss was in December. Their last close game was January 13.

Pitt recently lost to Providence, a weak team headed to the NIT. UNC recently lost to Maryland, another weak team team headed to the NIT. Teams with recent losses as bad as those cannot be ranked ahead of Memphis.

I 100% would rank Memphis #1 because they have the most impressive resume, even though their schedule is weaker overall.

Do they have the most talent? No. No team is as talented as UNC, assuming Lawson at full strength.

And in case anyone thinks I'm biased, I'm not. I actually dislike Calipari a little and I rooted hard against Memphis in last year's tournament. Joey Dorsey makes me sick. I was never a Memphis fan and I am not a Memphis fan. In fact, I'm not a fan of any college basketball team.

Chi_archie · 03-11-09, 06:44 PM

Originally posted by yisman

not tough at all. You can judge a team even if they play in the Conference USA.

The Conference USA is not a little league conference or something. It's obviously not as tough as the Big East or the ACC, but they have good teams.

Memphis's blowout of Gonzaga in Spokane was one of the most impressive performances of the year. Remember, Gonzaga just completely destroyed St. Mary's on a neutral court and Gonzaga will get a #3 or #4 seed.

Memphis also blew out UAB twice. Aside from the two losses to Memphis, UAB was 11-3 in the conference.

The important thing to remember with Memphis is while the top teams have all had bad losses recently, Memphis hasn't played a bad game in over two months.

Their last loss was in December. Their last close game was January 13.

Pitt recently lost to Providence, a weak team headed to the NIT. UNC recently lost to Maryland, another weak team team headed to the NIT. Teams with recent losses as bad as those cannot be ranked ahead of Memphis.

I 100% would rank Memphis #1 because they have the most impressive resume, even though their schedule is weaker overall.

Do they have the most talent? No. No team is as talented as UNC, assuming Lawson at full strength.

And in case anyone thinks I'm biased, I'm not. I actually dislike Calipari a little and I rooted hard against Memphis in last year's tournament. Joey Dorsey makes me sick. I was never a Memphis fan and I am not a Memphis fan. In fact, I'm not a fan of any college basketball team.

this would actually scare me more then anything...

TPowell · 03-12-09, 12:36 AM

Gonzaga blew out St Mary's??? St Mary's were blowing them out before Mills got hurt. They played a VERY CLOSE game the next time. Gonzaga beat them bad in the conference tourny though. Gonzaga is still shit though

yisman · 03-12-09, 11:22 AM

Originally posted by Chi_archie

this would actually scare me more then anything...

what it means is that they deserve to be #1, whether you think they're due for a bad game or not.

yisman · 03-12-09, 11:24 AM

Originally posted by TPowell

Gonzaga blew out St Mary's???

*facepalm*

Yes, Gonzaga completely trashed St. Mary's a few days ago on a neutral court in the championship, in Mills' second game back.

So yes, Gonzaga blew out St. Mary's.

Gonzaga is still shit though

Wrong.

Chi_archie · 03-12-09, 11:28 AM

well, sure seems like an easy route to a #1 seed.... other big conf teams play teams almost every night for 2 months whose rpi's are well under half of Memphis's avg opponent.

I big part of Memphis's ranking this year, is benefit of the doubt because of last year.... which is fine.... It means they are over-priced and will be a great fade come tourney time...