NHL trade deadline this Wednesday

[AMBlai01]

Bill Guerin going to the Caps is what I am hearing more than anything. Seems like the asking price is a lot though and Caps aren't sure if they are willing to go there.

[element1286]

Caps don't need anymore forwards, they need a defensemen and a goaltender.

Jokinen would make sense in Montreal.

[VegasDave]

It absolutely makes a difference that he is a UFA.

^This.

If the Pens were in 1st place and just looking to add that last piece, sure. But considering their current spot, having Frolov for the extra year (and in turn having an extra year to sign him) is huge.

Plus, taking nothing away from Antropov, the guy has never broken 60 points and is 29.

Frolov, at 26, has shown durability and more consistency scoring. He has 20+ goals every year for the last 5 years and at least 48 points per season (71 in 06-07, 67 in 07-08, well on his way to 60 this year).

This, mind you, has been at points on lines centered by guys like Derek Armstrong. Give him a Malkin or Crosby, and Frolov would explode.

Really don't want to see him get traded.

[VegasDave]

That one originated from here.

http://www.letsgopens.com/scripts/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=33058&start=0

I didn't think that one had much traction, but it made sense.

Good call, that is indeed where it started.

[AMBlai01]

Theodore has been BRUTAL....I have never seen a goalie that lets more pucks bounce away from him. He has been absolutely killing them....if they were smart they would definitely get the best available.

[element1286]

It does, but it doesn't..........look at all the rental players in past years. Weight, Recchi, (helped bring Carolina the Cup). Tkaczuk, Forsberg etc. The list goes on really. Rental trades happen often at the deadline. Teams will and do mortgage their future for a rental if it means advancing an extra round. It's a tough decision to make, but it's not rare element.

Jay Bouwmeester is a prime rental player.

If J Staal is traded for a rental, Ray Shero should be fired the next day. That being said, he would never do it, he is as patient a GM as there is in the league. If Staal is traded it will look like the Whitney deal.

[Nicky Santoro]

vegas dave, you're a freakin machine. not only do you know every player in college football and NFL and every stat possible, but you even know hockey inside out.. man, how do you do it? and you have a GF, and you go to school.. man, you're a machine. you're a walking encyclopedia.. i dont know how you can know this much stuff about anything, let alone sports. imagine if you never had a life and just stayed home all day how much more you'd know? wow..

will JJgold or Onner post in this thread with an opinion on the trade deadline?

NO -1700
YES +1200

[PuckOff]

Give him a Malkin or Crosby, and Frolov would explode.

I think any player would explode with Crosby or Malkin on their line. Especially Crosby. Unlike Ovechkin, this kid makes players around him better.

[element1286]

Theodore has been BRUTAL....I have never seen a goalie that lets more pucks bounce away from him. He has been absolutely killing them....if they were smart they would definitely get the best available.

I don't know why they signed him in the first place. I don't think there are any legit goalies on the market right now. Philly needs a goaltender as well.

[PuckOff]

Theodore has been BRUTAL....I have never seen a goalie that lets more pucks bounce away from him. He has been absolutely killing them....if they were smart they would definitely get the best available.

Butterfly goaltending styles have been figured out. A goalie goes down and the puck goes high. Theodore commits way to early. I think Dave would agree with me.

[VegasDave]

vegas dave, you're a freakin machine. not only do you know every player in college football and NFL and every stat possible, but you even know hockey inside out.. man, how do you do it? and you have a GF, and you go to school.. man, you're a machine. you're a walking encyclopedia.. i dont know how you can know this much stuff about anything, let alone sports. imagine if you never had a life and just stayed home all day how much more you'd know? wow..

will JJgold or Onner post in this thread with an opinion on the trade deadline?

NO -1700
YES +1200

You give me too much credit! We are on the internet after all, stats are readily available.

I do love the stuff though... crunching team and player stats is my addiction like crunching line movements is yours.

Just wish I could get into basketball... it is my one glaring weakness.

[PuckOff]

If J Staal is traded for a rental, Ray Shero should be fired the next day. That being said, he would never do it, he is as patient a GM as there is in the league. If Staal is traded it will look like the Whitney deal.

That Whitney deal was good for the Pens. The prospect they have is a future power forward. Relax and enjoy the ride element.

[Nicky Santoro]

i am surprised Theodore is even in the NHL. when he played for MTL a few yrs ago, we all thought he would retire. in my life, i have never seen a more horrible performance between the pipes than theo a few yrs ago.. he looked like a little boy in the net allowing 7 goals every game and half the goals i could have stopped. this went on for like months, not just 3 games..

He made Andre "red light" Racicot look like Jacques Plante.

[VegasDave]

Ugh, don't get me started on Theodore... I have so many expensive hockey cards of his that were worth their weight in gold back when he was killing it with Montreal... figured I'd hang on to them long term... now they aren't worth the paper they are printed on.

Puckoff, you are right. Just butterflying isn't enough anymore... ask Felix Potvin what happens when you put your paddle down and crouch deep in the crease; you will get buried top shelf every time. In the new NHL where players have more open ice and get the shot they want more often, you can't just butterfly and take away the low percentage shots when shots are becoming increasingly more accurate.

The key to the butterfly is angles. No one did this better then Patrick Roy... he had the angle cut off on you every single time, and a simple butterfly meant the puck was either going to get swallowed up for no rebound or if it missed the goalie, it missed the net.

I didn't watch Theodore as much in his Montreal wonder years; what in his game has changed so drastically, or was he always a deep butterfly goaltender and Montreal was doing that excellent of a job keeping the high-percentage shots from happening?

[Nicky Santoro]

his last moment of glory, after winning the NHL MVP award back in 02..

who's to say he'd turn out crappy right after..

[AMBlai01]

The sad thing is...it seems like all the young guys are butterfly goalies too. I think in the next 5-6 years were are going to see a huge increase in scoring because of this. Goalies are going to have to adjust and that takes time. Once you go down into the butterfly it just takes way too long to get back up even if you do stop the initial shot. You need a goalie that is 6'5 to be an effective butterfly guy so that he can still take away some of those high angles as well.

I was reading about this phenomenon though and they were saying that most of the guy in Juniors are all butterfly guys too because that is what has been taught for a while now. It is going to take a few years for those guys to trickle through before they realize that butterfly is not the way to go.

[PuckOff]

i am surprised Theodore is even in the NHL. when he played for MTL a few yrs ago, we all thought he would retire. in my life, i have never seen a more horrible performance between the pipes than theo a few yrs ago.. he looked like a little boy in the net allowing 7 goals every game and half the goals i could have stopped. this went on for like months, not just 3 games..

He made Andre "red light" Racicot look like Jacques Plante.

He should get back on the Propecia Nicky.

[PuckOff]

his last moment of glory, after winning the NHL MVP award back in 02..

who's to say he'd turn out crappy right after..

winning those awards was a fix Nicky. The mob was involved. Iginla should have won MVP even if the Flames didn't win the playoffs.

[PuckOff]

The sad thing is...it seems like all the young guys are butterfly goalies too. I think in the next 5-6 years were are going to see a huge increase in scoring because of this. Goalies are going to have to adjust and that takes time. Once you go down into the butterfly it just takes way too long to get back up even if you do stop the initial shot. You need a goalie that is 6'5 to be an effective butterfly guy so that he can still take away some of those high angles as well.

I was reading about this phenomenon though and they were saying that most of the guy in Juniors are all butterfly guys too because that is what has been taught for a while now. It is going to take a few years for those guys to trickle through before they realize that butterfly is not the way to go.

Well I'd say that most of the Q goalies play the butterfly. Not sure about the OHL or WHL goalies. Euro goalies do not play the butterfly style. I know the Finns don't.

[element1286]

What does Colorado do? They are a very flawed organization, IMO, and need to rebuild a lot of positions.

[VegasDave]

Well I'd say that most of the Q goalies play the butterfly. Not sure about the OHL or WHL goalies. Euro goalies do not play the butterfly style. I know the Finns don't.

I think almost all goalies incorporate the butterfly into their game... it is just a matter of how often they use it.

I think most euro goalies have a hybrid style where they will actually watch the shot and react to it (standing up or butterflying) as opposed to pure butterfly goaltenders that butterfly as soon as the puck leaves the tape.

[Ticon18]

hope the Sabres pull off a good deal