Are you for or against the BORDER FENCE??

[MilfDriller]

What say you?

(PS. I know a certain liberal activist poster has a nightly vigil whereby he kneels down by his backyard fence and prays that the fence goes down.)

[Willie Bee]

Against it, whole thing has the feel of two teenaged siblings drawing a line down the middle of the bedroom they share, a taxpayers' boondoggle if there ever was one.

[Shark79]

US was built by the ppl that crossed the boarder.

[MonkeyF0cker]

The fence is the dumbest idea ever conjured up. If people want to get here, they will find a way. Simple as that. Talk about wasting taxpayer money... And don't give me a stupid terrorism/security quip about it, the border to the north is wide open. Xenophobes are ridiculous.

[Sinister Cat]

I don't know enough about it to really say whether the fence per se is a bad idea. But I do believe that immigration policy should be consistent-- if vast amounts of tax dollars are going to be spent kicking people out who are here illegally, and if illegal immigrants are generally going to be treated poorly and they aren't being successfully integrated into society with the citizens of the country, then it would make sense for steps to be taken to ensure that people don't cross into the country illegally in the first place. I have no idea whether a fence is an effective way to do that though.

[BestPlay2day]

It's a waste of money, wouldn't slow down the illegal immigrants coming in. I remember a show had something where they showed a demostration of a Mexican cutting a hole in a fence and it only took a few seconds to cut and crawl through. So basically they want to build a fence all the way across the border which might slow them down by 15-20 seconds?

[durito]

What say you?

(PS. I know a certain liberal activist poster has a nightly vigil whereby he kneels down by his backyard fence and prays that the fence goes down.)

I am for deporting people like you.

[MilfDriller]

solo basura como tu, durito

[Boner_18]

I am against the fence. Waste of resources. Let the states decide how to deal w/ illegal aliens, look at OK.

[pavyracer]

I'm in favor of land mines at the border. The fence can be cut or dug under.

[konck]

We can spend 400 billion and use the great wall of China we can buy it piece by piece

[mmike032]

have an open season all year long on coyotes crossing the border. charge a fee a for a license to hunt the coyotes which goes to the gov't.

[daggerkobe]

Just fine employers and landlords that hire and rent to illegals. Its working in some towns.

[curious]

What say you?

(PS. I know a certain liberal activist poster has a nightly vigil whereby he kneels down by his backyard fence and prays that the fence goes down.)

I am totally against the fence because the DemoCong and their leftist allies will ensure that the fence is totally ineffective.

What we need is a 30 foot high, 30 foot wide wall, like Hadrian's wall or the Great Wall of China with searchlights, sound detectors, motion detectors, infrared, guard dogs, and 250,000 of the most sadistic psychopaths you can find as border guards and make it crystal clear that ANYONE trying to cross the US border illegally will be deemed an invader and will be shot on sight.

The purpose of the wall is to facilitate and encourage LEGAL crossings of the border while making ILLEGAL crossings of the border impossible.

There should be a gate every few miles and plenty of north south roads so that people on legitimate business can cross the border quickly. EVERY vehicle should be searched to eliminate smuggling. With numerous border crossings and 250,000 guards this would be easy to do.

The 250,000 border guards should be a part of the military, a new service should be created for these new divisions.

Illegal immigration is a huge burden that our country can no longer afford.

No other country on the planet tolerates this kind of illegal migration across their border. Why do we tolerate it?

[fiveteamer]

LOL fence.

what a waste of money.

[curious]

I don't know enough about it to really say whether the fence per se is a bad idea. But I do believe that immigration policy should be consistent-- if vast amounts of tax dollars are going to be spent kicking people out who are here illegally, and if illegal immigrants are generally going to be treated poorly and they aren't being successfully integrated into society with the citizens of the country, then it would make sense for steps to be taken to ensure that people don't cross into the country illegally in the first place. I have no idea whether a fence is an effective way to do that though.

The problem with the immigration policy is that we now have millions of people living in this country who are "illegal" because of their national origin. Let's see,the last government to declare millions of people as "illegal" because of their national origin was, let me think...., ah yes, NAZI Germany.

Declaring millions of people as "illegals" because they exist is wrong on so many levels. It is inhumane to treat people this way. Try living as an illegal. It ain't easy.

So, if we are going to have these ****ed up policies that allow millions of people to be treated as criminals because of who they are, then we owe it to others not to allow them in the country in the first place. So, a Hadrian's Wall is the only real answer. Or, put 500,000 well trained, well armed border guards on the border the way the Warsaw Pact countries did during the cold war. Either way, it is wrong to allow people to get into our country, if after they get here they will have to join a criminal underground in order to survive.

So, either close the border or make it possible for immigrants to function in LEGAL society once they get here.

[Bluehorseshoe]

Just fine employers and landlords that hire and rent to illegals. Its working in some towns.

I agree with that move. Illegals are a major problem in this country and I don't think people realize to what extent.

[sickler]

Didn't know there was serious discussion taking place within the US about this.

Is the proposed idea only for the border with Mexico or also Canada?

[Francis Sollozzo]

Illegals are one major reason California is broke. They are the 5 ton elephant in the room no politician can see.

[Fischnasty]

I remember a show had something where they showed a demostration of a Mexican cutting a hole in a fence and it only took a few seconds to cut and crawl through. So basically they want to build a fence all the way across the border which might slow them down by 15-20 seconds?

haha, classic

[Robust]

I have friends and we hope soon to own land on the border.. next to the Rio Grande.. a fence would **** up the wildlife because it would prevent animals from getting water..

against..

Robust

[curious]

Didn't know there was serious discussion taking place within the US about this.

Is the proposed idea only for the border with Mexico or also Canada?

Since we don't have millions of uneducated Canadians who don't speak our language or want to adopt our way of life pouring over the Canadian border there isn't much need for a Hadrian's Wall on the Canadian border.

[BobHarvey]

I've got to agree with Francis Sollozzo. My grandmother used to say that the Illegals would take over California without firing a shot. I now understand what she meant.

[curious]

I have friends and we hope soon to own land on the border.. next to the Rio Grande.. a fence would **** up the wildlife because it would prevent animals from getting water..

against..

Robust

Unfortunately, national security interests trump your desires for your god's little acre.

I guess if you had lived in France before WWI you would have complained "you can't build that bunker there (as part of the Maginot line), the squirrels won't like it".

[BobHarvey]

California laid off 20,000 state employees today. Nadia Suleman now has 14 kids the state (you and I) will pay for. Tell me this state isn't one screwed up mess.

[Francis Sollozzo]

I've got to agree with Francis Sollozzo. My grandmother used to say that the Illegals would take over California without firing a shot. I now understand what she meant.

Forget about the tax cost because of Illegals, schooling, medical & incarceration, the last figure I saw about 19 Billion USDollars were sent to Mexico each year by Mex Nationals working in US. That is a big cash drain from the US economy.

[curious]

Forget about the tax cost because of Illegals, schooling, medical & incarceration, the last figure I saw about 19 Billion USDollars were sent to Mexico each year by Mex Nationals working in US. That is a big cash drain from the US economy.

Illegals compete unfairly with American business people. They don't buy insurance, they don't pay taxes, they don't pay overtime, they don't do any of the myriad of things that Americans have to do to run a business, all of these things cost. Then the illegals undercut them on price. And they send the profits to Mexico, or they keep the profits in the underground economy.

[Bluehorseshoe]

Illegals compete unfairly with American business people. They don't buy insurance, they don't pay taxes, they don't pay overtime, they don't do any of the myriad of things that Americans have to do to run a business, all of these things cost. Then the illegals undercut them on price. And they send the profits to Mexico, or they keep the profits in the underground economy.

Exactly. How much money leaves this country every year from illegals sending money back home and people wonder why the economy is bad? The country can't keep hemorrhaging cash and expect things to rebound.

[CashMoney]

Illegals compete unfairly with American business people. They don't buy insurance, they don't pay taxes, they don't pay overtime, they don't do any of the myriad of things that Americans have to do to run a business, all of these things cost. Then the illegals undercut them on price. And they send the profits to Mexico, or they keep the profits in the underground economy.

Dude,

American business people are the ones hiring illegals to help them in their businesses. There are plenty of people who are here legally that send money back "home" to care for their families.

The economy is phucked and has way more to do with the stupidiity of our government. Illegal immigration is just a small piece of the puzzle.

$400 Billion dollars already spent yet no one knows how the money was spent. How in the hell does a person get a "bonus" on our tax dollar in the first place. What are they getting a bonus for anyway? Congratulations, you all helped run the company into the ground so here's a few million for you.

BTW - Illegal immigration goes way beyond Mexicans crossing the border.

[sickler]

Since we don't have millions of uneducated Canadians who don't speak our language or want to adopt our way of life pouring over the Canadian border there isn't much need for a Hadrian's Wall on the Canadian border.

That's one way of putting it.

Another would be that since the quality of life in Canada is as good as if not better than it is in the US, there isn't a rush for the border in search of a better life.

What the US really has to worry about on the Canadian side are the terrorists trying to slip across (according to misinformation from fear mongers)

Lets not forget BC bud. Large quantities to keep our southern neighbours happy.

[Bluehorseshoe]

Dude,

American business people are the ones hiring illegals to help them in their businesses. There are plenty of people who are here legally that send money back "home" to care for their families.

Do the legal workers pay taxes? I hope so.


There are other aspects of illegals effecting the economy. They get free medical care, because hospitals are not allowed to turn away people who need treatment. This results in either hospitals raising cost for paying patients (Which I'm sure translates into higher cost of health insurance for all of us.) or for some hospitals to even go under. (Which some did in California.)

There are so many more factors to this. None of them good.

[pavyracer]

Forget about the tax cost because of Illegals, schooling, medical & incarceration, the last figure I saw about 19 Billion USDollars were sent to Mexico each year by Mex Nationals working in US. That is a big cash drain from the US economy.

That's like one week of expenses for Iraq and Aghanistan wars. We are talking about pocket change here.

[wtf]

US was built by the ppl that crossed the boarder.

then why have immigration at airports?

[The Seer]

Have Micheal Vick trained dogs patrol the fence with razor wire and motion sensored machine guns in front of the dogs.

[Robust]

Unfortunately, national security interests trump your desires for your god's little acre.

I guess if you had lived in France before WWI you would have complained "you can't build that bunker there (as part of the Maginot line), the squirrels won't like it".

I agree National Security is king.. but a plan for a wall hasn't worked for most in history (maybe israel and possibly china?).. and when they figure it out, the wildlife will have already been devistated..

and if i lived in france, i would be running!! just like france has done through all it's exsistence.. LOL!!

Robust