He used drugs for 3 years and hardcore steroids and he had some great years when on the juice.
He is done, at least he admitted it but he is a fraud like the rest.
He is done, at least he admitted it but he is a fraud like the rest.
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he will get in,, next generation will think nothing about steroidsComment -
Kind of ironic.Originally posted by jjgoldOriginally posted by SBR_JohnComment -
A-rod getting busted opens the door for McGwire, Sosa, Bonds and Palmeiro. All will eventually make HOF.Comment -
yes he isComment -
None are getting in
A-Rod #'s are inflated, he had great years while on the juice
No way he gets in, he might be worse than Mac taking roidsComment -
he had great seasons early in his career and big numbers since 2003. hes a lock first ballot HOFer.
Mac has no chance...biggest liar in all of sports
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unless you think nobody is getting in from 1990-2009, then arod will get inComment -
We are like 20 years away from even having to even ask that question. That is a long time to forget.Comment -
He'll get in, as he should. Steroids or not, he is still a great player.Comment -
Everybody cheats. You have to cheat if you wanna make it. Look at Gagne, the guy went to shit since he stopped juicing.Comment -
i guarantee you lance armstrong cheats, they all do
all of them
not qb's, but everyone in nfl does
one day we may find the nba does tooComment -
if A-Rod and other known and admitted steroid users are getting in...then i'm sorry PETE ROSE really needs to get in.
Pete Rose bet on baseball...ok
his own games....but for his team... there was no cheating...
IMO
cheating and "stealing" games is way worse morally in terms of baseball then wagering on the outcome....
one tries to predict the outcome and profit from it... the other tries to change the outcome in one's favor
and I don't care of 50% of players were doing it.... it was still illegal, and it was still breaking the rules.... and it ruined a whole era of baseball... much worse then what pete rose did... and possibly getting close to what the Black Sox did to that era of baseball before Babe brought things back around..
no all this to say, I'm not for sure if AROD and others will get into the HOF, but I just think it is an odd double standard that baseball would seem to have, if he AROD did get in.
there are alot of steroid users in the football HOF i'm sureComment -
As much of fraud as original poster.Comment -
MLB fukked up and was 5 years late in getting a strict drug policy in place.
when the cats are away the mice will play....Comment -
Originally posted by 3PtShooter
next generation doesn't vote on the HOF...its old, grumpy media people that hold grudges.....
unless you are implying that arod gets in around 2040Comment -
GoldsteinOriginally posted by Deuce
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Fukkin Bum.... Im watching the interview right now.......Comment -
Nobody will even care 10 years from now when he has 900 HR's.Comment -
id ratehr every juicer get in than rose
he messed up way worse than they didComment -
They have to take his numbers away from texas where he was very dominant
He did have great years without it though also still going to be tough to get inComment -
Chi, the difference btw juicing and betting is that (presumably) juicing is in an attempt to WIN. Betting changes the incentive and most likely makes the player want to lose (that is the easier way to effect the game).
Don't you see the difference in the two modes of thinking? I see the juicer as perhaps misguided and selfish but absolutely and ultimately loving the game. In contrast the gambler looks also misguided and selfish but is willing to throw the game under the bus by losing.
As I type this up I realize the two are closer than I first thought, one could say the juicer IS willing to throw the game under the bus... But I think the connection is still more clear with the gambler...Comment -
It all depends how the writers feel about him admitting it. We've all read articles, probably from guys who have a HOF vote, saying that if guys like Bonds would just admit it, they could accept it.
A-rod kind of admited it. There's no way it was for only 3 years though. That is garbage.Comment -
Originally posted by Boner_18
no I understand that bone-dog.....
but it doesn't apply
a) pete rose didn't bet on his team to lose.... this is not like a point shaving thing.... I agree if you accept money or bet on your team to lose or to shave points.... lifetime ban..no doubt... but that's not what pete rose did
b) the players didn't know that Pete was betting the game as a manager, so there was no incentive to play any better or worse (again if he bet on the reds he bet them to win)
however, we dont' know for sure that pete didn't bet on his team to lose....if he did, then yes I would agree on a life-time ban.
as it stands....
i'd be okay with guys getting into the HOF if they used steroids.....all sorts of cheaters get in to HOF in many sports.... and basically using ovre the last decade was par for the course....
my point with my post was to me. if you are gonna say its okay to use steroids, then they should lighten up the penalty for gambling on the sport.
was it gambling given such a blackeye?Comment -
Arod will get in the HOF, however, he will definitely have a front row seat in the steroid wing. Included in this wing will be the usual suspects. Bonds, Clemens, Mac, Sosa, Manny, Hafner, Griffey, Hurt, Giambi, Chipper, Andrew, Pujols, Howard, Holliday, Tejeda, Helton, Brady, Lois Gonz, Andres Galaragga, and 40 hr 3rd baseman from the Rockies a few years ago.Comment -
Originally posted by seaborneq
I said these are 3 guys that are least suspected....
a strong case cuold be made for each one that they never took steroids.....
and as far as I know, they have never had ANYTHING to suggest they are remotely guilty of anything.......
i'd bet on it
did these guys take steroids?
Frank Thomas -450
Griffey -300
Ryan Howard -400
I'd parlay them too.....
its really sad that we will prob be having these discussions for the next 30+ years when we talk about this era..
instead of who was better Ted Williams or Joe Dimaggio or what was more impressive 56 game hitting streak or batting .406
we will be continuing to speculate on who took steroids, and how well they would have done with or without them...
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griffey? are you serious seaborne? ? he has broken down bc he hasnt lifted a weight in his life, he didnt stretch, workout, nothing.
there is no chance grif did roids
ryan howard is fat as ****, didnt juice
and thomas has always been a big boy too
did those guy do roids
+!000000
no chance
ZERO
at least zero for howard and griff
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Originally posted by ryanXL977
Griffey and Hurt just took the cheap and wrong roids which led to injury after injury. They took something.Comment -
I have this weird premonition that this thread will be bumped in 1-5 years to laugh at this statement.Originally posted by ryanXL977Comment -
big hurt was huge before the steroid era....if anything he was told to lose weight/bulk after he was drafted....
Howard came in after all the steroid stuff hit the fan.......He's just a pure power hitter, too much talent and too young to need to use roids
Griffey, was putting up big numbers before the steroid era....if he took roids, he woulda been better then bonds in the steroid era.....Comment -
Archie, the steroid era was quite long. bash brothers. I wouldn't put it past anybody playing from 87-07Comment -
howard hits homers or nothing, he is 275 lbs, its not hard to hit hrs if youre 275 lbs and 6 foot 6
he is fat as ****.
griffey didnt do shit. period. he was that good at 19 and that good at 29. same shit. im not naive, look at the bodies of the big boys like pujols and arod and mac and sosa and compare to griff, who is probably like 6 foot 3 , 210 or so, and howard, who is fat as hellComment -
by the way, I think Frank Thomas gets forgotten alot in talk of great players
in the early 90's this guy put up year after year of great numbers....
Possibly a top ten all-time in a run of 5-10 years....Comment -
Originally posted by fiveteamer
FT, this kid was huge as in.... prob 240 at age 15 huge... just a naturally big guy....
football scholarship to Auburn and played as a TE...
not like he entered baseball skinny like Barry Bonds..and got big later
it just sucks that EVERYONE is assumed to be a steroid user thanks to this mess.
Bo Jackson was huge and fast, and didn't take roids.... dude didn't even lift weights... same for Hershel walker..... just did pushups...Comment -
no I agree, I don't think a guy like Prince Fielder is on roids either. Howard is basically the same kind of hitter.
Prince was hitting balls out of Tiger Stadium at 12.Comment
