Florida State is favored, on the road, at night, with a freshman QB, in Death Valley?

[JabooFootball]

+anything on either of these teams against each other is a gift. +33 on Clemson is beautiful. And that's from a diehard Nole fan/alum.

[lakerboy]

I'm going to pass on this game.....

Just doesn't make sense.

just cant stand taking points can you?

[TonyTall]

so FSU would be -10 at home

yep. and they would cover it too

[15805]

On another thread of guess the line posters went 3 to 1 for Clemson. I was hoping Clemson would be favored being an FSU bettor. All this talk about a freshnen QB going to Clemson to play a night game. Winston is super in the fans Heisman polling
he's right behind Manziel & Marriota, and ahead of Boyd.

[cmoney11]

Gonna be a type of game. 100% staying away. I think FSU takes it outright though.

[rm18]

SEASON	CMP	ATT	YDS	CMP%	YPA	LNG	TD	INT	SACK	RAT	RAW QBR	ADJ QBR
2013	90	123	1441	73.2	11.72	56	17	2	8	213.9	91.7	91.3

[JuicedUp]

Jameis is the best player in the country by far. Manziel, Mariota, and Boyd are lining up to shine his shoes. FSU 44 Clemson 24

[JabooFootball]

If he beat Clemson in Death Valley, Miami, and Florida at the swamp and continues with similar stats and doesn't win the heisman i will protest.

[bigballa]

Innnnnnnnteresting.

you serious here? did you see BC at clemson this past weekend?? a sh*t BC team did a half decent job @clemson....what line are you offering?? you cant seriously make clemson favs after how poor they were this weekend....Fst off the bye week with a GOOD freshman qb...line is spot on....will prolly move more towards f st imo....all the best my man

[t-wizzle]

Clemson was +14.5 at FSU last year. Both teams were ranked in the top 10.

[Big Bear]

Agree. Books telling us something LK?

what would they be telling us?

[wufpakman21]

Here's something to consider about the Freshman QB from FSU. I realize this is his first huge road test but for some reason it seems like anytime you have a qb that also plays baseball, or another college sport they seem to handle the pressure well. I'd be willing to bet that he plays well in this game. FSU may lose but I bet it won't be because he didn't play well.

[rm18]

Here's something to consider about the Freshman QB from FSU. I realize this is his first huge road test but for some reason it seems like anytime you have a qb that also plays baseball, he's unflappable. I'd be willing to bet that he plays well in this game. FSU may lose but I bet it won't be because he didn't play well.

I like this angle Call it the Russell Wilson theory maybe

[daneblazer]

Florida State will play for the National Title.

[sweep]

florida st is more rested coming off a bye week

maybe books think boyd has a bad game or winston plays well

i will def be watching this game

thanks chief

[pavyracer]

Here's something to consider about the Freshman QB from FSU. I realize this is his first huge road test but for some reason it seems like anytime you have a qb that also plays baseball, or another college sport they seem to handle the pressure well. I'd be willing to bet that he plays well in this game. FSU may lose but I bet it won't be because he didn't play well.

Did you know that he also plays soccer for fun?

[TPowell]

easy money. FSU is ONCE AGAIN... OVERRATED. They get beat by anybody with a pulse. Clemson has a much stronger offense. They're battle tested and GETTING POINTS at HOME against an untested team with a FRESHMAN QB.

[daneblazer]

Remember Louisville beat Florida State in a hurricane one Thursday night in 2002, so Louisville should be ranked above FSU this season.

My hesitation for not pounding FSU...Florida State hasn't played squat yet. Maryland was a joke. They have historically face planted on the road with Fisher and will play in one of the toughest environments in college football.

[TPowell]

Remember Louisville beat Florida State in a hurricane one Thursday night in 2002, so Louisville should be ranked above FSU this season

Louisville should be ranked above FSU this season, we've played a tougher schedule. Thats how bad of competition FSU has faced

[JabooFootball]

Louisville should be ranked above FSU this season, we've played a tougher schedule. Thats how bad of competition FSU has faced

This is egregious bs. Louisville has looked worse against laughable "competition". Pitt>Temple, BC> Rutgers. Maryland>Kentucky Clemson has a much stronger offense? Florida State has 3 backs that would start on clemson's team. Winston is statistically outperforming Boyd in every category. Sammy Watkins is better than any FSU wideout but Nick O Leary is better than any Clemson tight end. Defensively fsu has more 4/5 star recruits than Clemson however our d is young and admittedly soft.

When your team puts up 6 points against temple in the 2nd half you invalidate strength of schedule any team strength arguments.

[Louisvillekid1]

Louisville should be ranked above FSU this season, we've played a tougher schedule. Thats how bad of competition FSU has faced

Common guey, represent our fans better than this

[TPowell]

This is egregious bs. Louisville has looked worse against laughable "competition". Pitt>Temple, BC> Rutgers. Maryland>Kentucky Clemson has a much stronger offense? Florida State has 3 backs that would start on clemson's team. Winston is statistically outperforming Boyd in every category. Sammy Watkins is better than any FSU wideout but Nick O Leary is better than any Clemson tight end. Defensively fsu has more 4/5 star recruits than Clemson however our d is young and admittedly soft.

When your team puts up 6 points against temple in the 2nd half you invalidate strength of schedule any team strength arguments.

up 6 points? We were up 20+ going into the 2nd half you idiot. Ohio, Rutgers, and Kentucky are better than Pitt, BC, and Maryland. The bottom of the ACC has and will always be garbage.

[TPowell]

Common guey, represent our fans better than this

when did you turn into Gold's 4 inch mouthpiece?

[Louisvillekid1]

when did you turn into Gold's 4 inch mouthpiece?

What? I'm just saying our schedule can't be talked about in a good way. I mean how many more times do we need to hear it? Every talking head every day

[JabooFootball]

a) I said put up 6 points, not up 6 points. Louisville did not score a touchdown against Temple in the 2nd half
b) The bottom of the ACC makes the bottom of the American look like FCS teams, I dont know why youre arguing about the top of your conference versus the middle (the teams you mentioned) or the bottom (the tier you referenced) of any other conference. Said argument just supports other inferences that your conference is week.

TO BE FAIR

as a lifelong FSU fan I have grown accustomed to hearing that my conference is week so I'm not going to hold your conference being week against you because you guys cannot control that. I really wish Louisville was in the ACC instead of Pitt or Cuse. BUT, how you perform against your conference is how you prove you deserve to be ranked highly. Bridgewater looked atrocious in the 2nd half against temple, simple as that. Do not give me the "we didnt want to run up the score" narrative because thats bullshit, your team was trying to move the ball and failing. If you think temple could beat maryland (with healthy starting QB) or BC then I have nothing to say to you because you dont understand football. Florida State has consistently executed its offensive gameplan against all competition it faced, and gotten better through ever game this season.

[No coincidences]

easy money. FSU is ONCE AGAIN... OVERRATED. They get beat by anybody with a pulse. Clemson has a much stronger offense. They're battle tested and GETTING POINTS at HOME against an untested team with a FRESHMAN QB.

Why is FSU favored in the first place, though?

Something tells me this isn't the "easy money" it looks like on paper.

[pavyracer]

Why is FSU favored in the first place, though?

Something tells me this isn't the "easy money" it looks like on paper.

Clemson was +3 vs Georgia. Do you think FSU is worse than Georgia?

[JabooFootball]

Clemson proved on saturday that its defense does not have the team speed to hang with FSU's skill positions. If they play a first half like they did against bc they will be down 3-4 touchdowns.

[t-wizzle]

The big question here is whether the freshman Winston is a winner. FSU has had talent for years but come up short because of a lack of leadership in big games. If this kid is the real deal then FSU likely wins.

[Louisvillekid1]

If nothing else the early activity in this thread, clearly shows the correct play.

Stay Away, and enjoy a top 5 showdown

[JabooFootball]

Lkid if the point total opens in the low 60s would you consider the over?

[No coincidences]

Clemson was +3 vs Georgia. Do you think FSU is worse than Georgia?

Hard to say. FSU hasn't played anyone. Literally.

[No coincidences]

Clemson proved on saturday that its defense does not have the team speed to hang with FSU's skill positions. If they play a first half like they did against bc they will be down 3-4 touchdowns.

Didn't BC hang 34 on FSU?

[JabooFootball]

FSU/Clemson totals last 5 years
2012- 85
2011- 65
2010- 29
2009- 64
2008- 68

Florida States defense is more inexperienced this year than any of the previous 5.

[JabooFootball]

Absolutely. Im not saying clemson is not going to score on FSU, Im saying if clemson makes mistakes early they will be in quite the hole. I think a more important factor than how many points boston college put up on each team is how many points each team put up on BC. FSU doubled clemson in scoring and FSU was on the road. I expect this game to be a lot like last years.