Tomlin, the best coach in the NFL?

[daggerkobe]

Eh, even Barry Switzer won a SB with Jimmy Johnson's players. Doesn't make him a good coach.

[seaborneq]

Tomlin is a good coach. There are currently 4 head coaches with SB rings. So Tomlin can be no lower than 4th on the list. How great he is only time will tell. Gruden and Shanny have fewer playoff wins between them the last 5 years than Tomlin had this year alone. Give Tomlin his due, he may not be the best, but to say a monkey could have coached the team is just a non sports related inferiority complex.

[frostno98]

Eh, even Barry Switzer won a SB with Jimmy Johnson's players. Doesn't make him a good coach.

He is the best coach this year for obvious reason, but he's way better than Switzer. Switzer inherited the most dominant and feared team in the NFL. A Cowboys team favored to win it all even without Jimmy Johnson. While Tomlin's 2008 Steelers in the preseason, was ranked behind NYG, NE, IND, JAX and SD to win it all. He clearly didn't inherited the most dominant team, but made a good team better. That's what good coaches do, so his sucess is no fluke.

[SBR Lou]

I should move this thread to the Private Zone.

[Panic]

I should move this thread to the Private Zone.

[tullamore]

I think one of the things that makes Tomlin such a great coach is that he defers to Lebeau, so many coaches have egos and they want all the credit, but being able to surround yourself and work with people that are equals if not smarter than you is what separates the great leaders.

[Cloak & Dagger]

I don't know if I would go that far, but he is proving himself more and more.

guy almost choked a super bowl away trying to run out the clock

the ONLY THING that saved PITT was Montana...err Big Ben

believe it

[daggerkobe]

There's been many teams that weren't favored to win their division, let alone the SB. Rams of '99 were picked to finish last in their division. Ravens, Bucs, Colts, Steelers (2005), Giants weren't favored to win. Does that make all their coaches great? I mean Coughlin was on the verge of being lynched by the NY mob before he won it all. I mean majority of them won it all with significantly less talent than Tomlin.

And would Pitt have won had they faced the Colts or the Patriots (with Brady)? I think not.

Pitt was a fluke more than anything... they didn't have to face the best of the AFC due to sheer luck.

A great coach isn't made with one SB victory anyways.... otherwise, you'd have one hit wonders such as Jon Gruden, Tom Coughlin, Barry Switzer, Brian Billick, Dick Vermeil in the Hall of Fame.

[Cloak & Dagger]

There's been many teams that weren't favored to win their division, let alone the SB. Rams of '99 were picked to finish last in their division. Ravens, Bucs, Colts, Steelers (2005), Giants weren't favored to win. Does that make all their coaches great? I mean Coughlin was on the verge of being lynched by the NY mob before he won it all. I mean majority of them won it all with significantly less talent than Tomlin.

And would Pitt have won had they faced the Colts or the Patriots (with Brady)? I think not.

Pitt was a fluke more than anything... they didn't have to face the best of the AFC due to sheer luck.

A great coach isn't made with one SB victory anyways.... otherwise, you'd have one hit wonders such as Jon Gruden, Tom Coughlin, Barry Switzer, Brian Billick, Dick Vermeil in the Hall of Fame.

[Panic]

So I guess we can all call Phil Jackson a horrible NBA coach because he to have great players to win titles.

[pimike]

guy almost choked a super bowl away trying to run out the clock

the ONLY THING that saved PITT was Montana...err Big Ben

believe it

[daggerkobe]

So I guess we can all call Phil Jackson a horrible NBA coach because he to have great players to win titles.

Uh, he has 9 championships. Tomlin = 1.

Is Phil someone that can build the Memphis Grizzlies in to a title contender? No.

He's a guy who can take talented, underachieving teams over the final hurdle.

Del Harris had Kobe & Shaq.... couldn't even reach the finals. Phil arrives, wins back to back to back titles.

Doug Collins had Jordan & Pippen.... coudn't reach the finals. Phil arrives.... 6 titles.

[Panic]

Uh, he has 9 championships. Tomlin = 1.

Is Phil someone that can build the Memphis Grizzlies in to a title contender? No.

He's a guy who can take talented, underachieving teams over the final hurdle.

Del Harris had Kobe & Shaq.... couldn't even reach the finals. Phil arrives, wins back to back to back titles.

Doug Collins had Jordan & Pippen.... coudn't reach the finals. Phil arrives.... 6 titles.

And Tomlin took an 8-8 Steeler team to Super Bowl winner in 2 years. Yes, the Steelers won the Super Bowl in 2005 but the next year, they sucked ass. The Lakers were on the verge of greatest before Phil Arrive in LA. It was only a matter of time til they won championships. Isnt that the argument against Tomlin? He inherited a stacked team? Exact same situation for Phil. Lakers were stacked. Shaq and Kobe were already there.

[daggerkobe]

Again, they were 8-8 because their starting QB was injured half the year after his motorcycle accident and emergency appendectomy. It's not like he had to rebuild a shitty team.

But let's compare to what Dick Vermeil did with the Rams.... he took a really shitty team that finished 4-12 the previous season to a SB win the very next season!!!! A team that had lost their starting QB during pre-season! A team that the pundits had picked to finish LAST in their own division!!!!!!! How's that for coaching????? But I still think he's not Hall of Fame worthy!

Tomlin took a team full of SUPER BOWL champions and the #1 defense in the world to another title, ho hum..... even John Madden could've got his fat ass out of the announcing booth and won coaching this team.

As for Phil.... I think Larry Brown is a far better coach than him, even though he has just 1 title compared to Phil's 9.

[Panic]

I think Dick Vermeil is a great coach. I also dont agree that anyone could have coached the Steelers to a Super Bowl win. Let me see a raise of hands of all the players that took the Steelers in a future to win the Super Bowl this year. Even right before the playoffs, players were still not posting that they were on the Steelers winning it all. Hell everyone had Baltimore to win the AFC Championship. So all this silly shit about anyone could have coached them to a Super Bowl win is bullshit.

[daggerkobe]

Steelers were favorites to win the AFC after Brady went down and Peyton was slow to recover from off season surgery.

[B1GER1C828]

sick of hearing tomlin "best coach" he got put on a team that was in the superbowl b4 him, bellicheck...hes the best coach

[pimike]

sick of hearing tomlin "best coach" he got put on a team that was in the superbowl b4 him, bellicheck...hes the best coach

Check cheated though

Tomlin didn't

[Panic]

Steelers were favorites to win the AFC after Brady went down and Peyton was slow to recover from off season surgery.

Ummmm you forget about the Titans? They were the favorites going into the playoffs. Please show me where all the posters plays are that show everyone was on the Steelers to win it all if it was such a given.

[daggerkobe]

Bill Billick won a SB in his second season too, why isn't he considered great in your eyes? He took a 6-10 team and turned them in to champions in his second season.

Coughlin took a 6-10 team to the SB title in 3 seasons.... why isn't he worthy in your eyes?

Jon Gruden took a team that hadn't won a playoff game in 2 seasons to a SB title in his first season... why isn't he a great coach?

All of them.... far greater accomplishment than Tomlin.

[Panic]

Bill Billick won a SB in his second season too, why isn't he considered great in your eyes? He took a 6-10 team and turned them in to champions in his second season.

Coughlin took a 6-10 team to the SB title in 3 seasons.... why isn't he worthy in your eyes?

Jon Gruden took a team that hadn't won a playoff game in 2 seasons to a SB title in his first season... why isn't he a great coach?

All of them.... far greater accomplishment than Tomlin.

Gruden and Coughlin are great coaches. Not a big Billick fan but that probably has more to do with the fact that they(Baltimore) are the Steelers biggest rivals and I donk like them. But all you are trying to do is undermine what Tomlin accomplished. I can say the same about your Larry Brown coment. He hasnt won as many rings as Phil, so why do say his better? What has he done? Won 1 title in the pros and 1 title in college. Big deal.

[daggerkobe]

Ummmm you forget about the Titans? They were the favorites going into the playoffs. Please show me where all the posters plays are that show everyone was on the Steelers to win it all if it was such a given.

Who says it was a given? There were as many people that thought Steelers would win, just as many as those that thought the Colts & Titans would win. But their chances increased greatly after Brady went down.

It's not like the Steelers weren't picked to win their division like the Rams, Ravens, Giants and other SB champions from this century.

[daggerkobe]

Gruden and Coughlin are great coaches. Not a big Billick fan but that probably has more to do with the fact that they(Baltimore) are the Steelers biggest rivals and I donk like them. But all you are trying to do is undermine what Tomlin accomplished. I can say the same about your Larry Brown coment. He hasnt won as many rings as Phil, so why do say his better? What has he done? Won 1 title in the pros and 1 title in college. Big deal.

Jon Gruden and Tom Coughlin are great coaches?

OK, you've lost what little credibility you had left with me with that moronic statement.

[Panic]

Who says it was a given? There were as many people that thought Steelers would win, just as many as those that thought the Colts & Titans would win. But their chances increased greatly after Brady went down.

It's not like the Steelers weren't picked to win their division like the Rams, Ravens, Giants and other SB champions from this century.

Someone had made the idiotic statement that a monkey could have coached them for this Super Bowl win. But I bet he didnt have a future on the Steelers to win it all.

[Panic]

Jon Gruden and Tom Coughlin are great coaches?

OK, you've lost what little credibility you had left with me with that moronic statement.

What? Because you dont like them means they suck? Get over your ego, dagger. Its not healthy. Just because I think they are good and you dont doesnt mean shit. I'm sure there are coaches you like that I think are shit also.

[daggerkobe]

I can say the same about your Larry Brown coment. He hasnt won as many rings as Phil, so why do say his better? What has he done? Won 1 title in the pros and 1 title in college. Big deal.

What other coach has won a championship in college and pros?

EXACTLY. 0.

That alone should tell you what a great coach he is.

But the main reason he's a great coach is, he has turned many awful teams in to good teams. For example, he took the Clippers to the playoffs in back to back seasons!!!!!!

He took a one trick pony in Iverscum to the finals.

He took the underdog Pistons to the championship over the Lakers. And again the finals next season.

If you can't see his brilliance then you're an idiot. Yet you think Tomlin who took a SB talent team to the SB is great?

[daggerkobe]

What? Because you dont like them means they suck? Get over your ego, dagger. Its not healthy. Just because I think they are good and you dont doesnt mean shit. I'm sure there are coaches you like that I think are shit also.

When did I say I hated them?

You're the one who said Bill Billick wasn't a good coach cause you hated the Ravens.

Gruden & Coughlin are JOURNEYMEN coaches that lucked out and won a SB. Nothing more. But still their accomplishments are far greater than Tomin's.

[Panic]

What other coach has won a championship in college and pros?

EXACTLY. 0.

That alone should tell you what a great coach he is.

But the main reason he's a great coach is, he has turned many awful teams in to good teams. For example, he took the Clippers to the playoffs in back to back seasons!!!!!!

He took a one trick pony in Iverscum to the finals.

He took the underdog Pistons to the championship over the Lakers. And again the finals next season.

If you can't see his brilliance then you're an idiot. Yet you think Tomlin who took a SB talent team to the SB is great?

There you go again. You just dont get it. You cant even comprehend what I am saying. Instead you would rather throw out your adolescent jabs. This is why no one posts to you past one or two times. You resort to cutdowns when trying to get yourm point across. Have a good night.

[daggerkobe]

Someone had made the idiotic statement that a monkey could have coached them for this Super Bowl win. But I bet he didnt have a future on the Steelers to win it all.

Why the fvck cares about futures?

You think anyone had futures on the Rams in '99? Or the Ravens in '00? Or the Pats (2002)? Or the Giants? Or Pitt (2005)?

Means absolutely nothing.

[Scorpion]

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[seaborneq]

One of the prevailing themes I see is that Tomlin was given a SB team. Is AZ is SB team next year? I did not think so. Look how many teams that have made the SB this decade DID NOT make the playoffs the next year. More than half. So save that argument for another day. In this day of NFL parity, there is no such thing as handing someone a SB team. You have to coach a team to the best of your ability that year. And that is what Tomlin has done.