Australian baseball player killed by Oklahoma teens

[brettels]

part 2

[necro]

i hope killers get death penalty

but they should be cut to pieces and have taken their internal organs for tranplantation

[gauchojake]

Wow - you had to go way back to 2002 for that last link...

The other 2 links are very minor. There's more killings in the US in one weekend than those knife incidents that took place all year.

You're proving the point that getting rid of all our guns might be a good thing.

must have posted the wrong link on the last one as the one I was posting was from dec 2012. I'll find it on my laptop later.

the other two are relevant in that knife crime is a very real problem in Oz and UK. Most violent crimes in those countries are committed with knives. Should we ban them too? Point is, criminals are going to get their hands on something to commit crimes. You can kill multiple people with knives (see crazy people in china killing kids) and you can make a bomb from shit you buy at Bed Bath and Beyond. Should we ban pressure cookers? It's not ever going to stop no matter what laws you enact.

These kids wouldn't have been stopped with a ban on guns.

[brettels]

Part 3

[MatI]

the other two are relevant in that knife crime is a very real problem in Oz and UK. Most violent crimes in those countries are committed with knives. Should we ban them too? Point is, criminals are going to get their hands on something to commit crimes. You can kill multiple people with knives (see crazy people in china killing kids) and you can make a bomb from shit you buy at Bed Bath and Beyond. Should we ban pressure cookers? It's not ever going to stop no matter what laws you enact.

Mechanism of injury is very important. One has a much greater chance of surviving a stab wound than a gun shot wound.

It is very rare to be able to kill 'multiple people' with a knife.

Police and other authorities monitor chemical purchases that can be used in bomb making.

I do agree with you on the pressure cookers though. Absolute killing machines. Hardly a day passes without another being set off, maiming and killing everything in its wake.

[Gee]

We are seeing the great divide between Americans and Australians here.

Do most of the American SBR members post on Stormfront as well?

We don't really have rednecks over here and I don't really know what they actually are, but a lot of the posters in this thread is what I picture when I think of them.

[Optional]

I'm Australian.

Some of my best childhood memories are hunting kangaroos and wild pigs with my grandfather. It was normal for kids to have air rifles and 22s and be allowed to go wandering around alone shooting rabbits or targets. And doing that was some of the best fun I had as a kid too. Sounds all kind of irresponsible by todays terms, but point is guns were as acceptable and widespread in Australia as in America less than 40 years ago.

So Aussies of my age can see with our own eyes that the change can be made over time.

[gauchojake]

Serious question- Did the Australian Constitution guarantee your right to bear arms? I think that's why most Americans feel so strongly about guns.

[Optional]

Serious question- Did the Australian Constitution guarantee your right to bear arms? I think that's why most Americans feel so strongly about guns.

We have no bill of rights like the US.

[Inkwell77]

Obama said the 3 suspects could've been his sons

****** up statement, but pretty funny.

Obama looked like a moron in regards to that trial. Why would he even fukkin respond to the bullshit story? Talk about all the other injustices that take place in this country instead of addressing some situation that, while fukked, is not all that outrageous given all the other crazy shit that takes place in this country.

The hypocrisy in the media is truly amazing.

[Inkwell77]

I'm not really for or against the banning of guns. I don't have any guns so nobody can fukkin take one from me. But I will say there is an argument to be made that if the government comes to take you away for whatever reason having a gun (or firearms of some sort) is justifiable. It is my understanding that is why guns were legal in the first place. To protect oneself from the government.

Also, "the more things outlawed the more outlaws run." So while there is already a huge contingent of people buying or somehow getting illegal guns, if you outlaw them the case could be made that the illegal gun makers/sellers will make even more money (and in general, that is probably not a good thing, ala the drug trade)

[Gee]

Serious question- Did the Australian Constitution guarantee your right to bear arms? I think that's why most Americans feel so strongly about guns.

Fair point. That being said, I don't think it is to do with the constitution (although it is a convenient argument for gun nuts based in another time) and I don't know if you necessarily have a majority. I think pro gun groups have a far too much political power.

Ultimately, I think a lot of Americans think it won't work, so why bother trying. The thinking is that the under belly will always have access to guns, so why not have them too. It doesn't really make for a healthy society. If not a ban on most guns, then significantly more regulation nation-wide would be a good start.

[brettels]

We are seeing the great divide between Americans and Australians here.

Do most of the American SBR members post on Stormfront as well?

We don't really have rednecks over here and I don't really know what they actually are, but a lot of the posters in this thread is what I picture when I think of them.

Rednecks/Bogans, not much difference.

[gauchojake]

Fair point. That being said, I don't think it is to do with the constitution (although it is a convenient argument for gun nuts based in another time) and I don't know if you necessarily have a majority. I think pro gun groups have a far too much political power.

Ultimately, I think a lot of Americans think it won't work, so why bother trying. The thinking is that the under belly will always have access to guns, so why not have them too. It doesn't really make for a healthy society. If not a ban on most guns, then significantly more regulation nation-wide would be a good start.

American Constitution=serious business. It's the basis for most gun advocates arguments and politically unpopular to try and change. The gun lobby is absolutely too strong, but the same could be said about most special interests.

Nationwide regulation would be a start. Currently each state makes there own laws. I can buy an assault rifle in CA, but it has a different clip and ten rounds max. However I could drive 4.5 hours and buy a fully automatic weapon in Nevada. It's pretty stupid.

[NrmlCurvSurfr]

its working just fine in europe, and we have far more civil liberties than us citizens have

ban them, dont ban them, just dont pretend that there is a logical reason behind it, you just want to be able to shoot each others brains out, thats why i will keep my distance

you are a moron...i want to keep my guns because i enjoy the outdoors and hunting, also targets shooting...not because i want to be able to shoot peoples brains out...you are saying everyone that wants to keep guns legal is ok with people killing each other and that is moronic at best...all of you euros never go hunting? never go camping where there are bears and all kinds of animals that could harm you? If the US gov is ok with black people(and others) running around killing each other, the least they could do is let white folks keep their guns to make it a fair fight...funny how all of these foreigners have it all figured out for the US, maybe yall can move here and become president, it worked for obama so yall might have a shot...

[NrmlCurvSurfr]

also lol @ quoting daily show, they are just another piece of this media driven gun control bs...not shocking that all these anti gun nuts are all over it...fkn daily show, ah the days of being young and impressionable...how about thinking for yourselves

[opie1988]

Geez, no wonder people fly planes through your buildings, asshole.

It's a 4 page thread currently, if you can get up to go to mcdonalds, you can find the link.

Gun control laws don't work? How about you haven't even tried proper gun laws to start with! When your country finally if ever does implement a proper nationwide gun law, there will be benefits.

What a classless piece of shit thing to say. Are all Aussies stupid cokksukkers like yourself?

[bettilimbroke999]

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[stevenash]

Quote of the day.

"This behavior is unacceptable" - Jesse Jackson.

[stevenash]

What a classless piece of shit thing to say. Are all Aussies stupid cokksukkers like yourself?

And my crime was entering this thread civilly and posting soundly, for which I was labeled a douche.

[brettels]

What a classless piece of shit thing to say. Are all Aussies stupid cokksukkers like yourself?

It had to be said, truth hurts doesn't it redneck!

[brettels]

And my crime was entering this thread civilly and posting soundly, for which I was labeled a douche.

Yet again blind man, you were spoken to the way you spoke to me.

[brettels]

also lol @ quoting daily show, they are just another piece of this media driven gun control bs...not shocking that all these anti gun nuts are all over it...fkn daily show, ah the days of being young and impressionable...how about thinking for yourselves

What they did was actually factual and exactly what every sane person was thinking. They made your powers that be look like cowards.

[stevenash]

Yet again blind man, you were spoken to the way you spoke to me.

Really?
Post 102 was where I entered talking to you.
Where was I perjorative, where was I personal?

What in that post was so bad that you had to get personal.
Now, if you want to get personal, bring it. I shit bigger turds that you Penal Colony boy

[KingJD31]

Lol at you watching the daily show, are a fuking child?

What they did was actually factual and exactly what every sane person was thinking. They made your powers that be look like cowards.

[brettels]

Lol at you watching the daily show, are a fuking child?

If it's a childs show, and your politicians were being mocked, what does that say about america

[KingJD31]

It says you're a fukin fagggot

If it's a childs show, and your politicians were being mocked, what does that say about america

[stevenash]

I'm starting to think those 3 punks took out the wrong Aussie

[brettels]

Really?
Post 102 was where I entered talking to you.
Where was I perjorative, where was I personal?

What in that post was so bad that you had to get personal.
Now, if you want to get personal, bring it. I shit bigger turds that you Penal Colony boy

I've gone back and read it, i was reacting to you thinking you were chalkydog who initially revved me up!

My bad.

But, I doubt your last statement.

[brettels]

It says you're a fukin fagggot

[stevenash]

Then I take back my last statement humbly

I've gone back and read it, i was reacting to you thinking you were chalkydog who initially revved me up!

My bad.

But, I doubt your last statement.

[bettilimbroke999]

Between October 1996 and September 1997, the government bought more than 631,000 guns from its residents – mostly 22-caliber semi-automatics and shotguns. The government spent $360m in Australian dollars. Only an estimated 60% of Australian residents obeyed the law.
However, crime statistics in Australia reveal that increased gun control has made no impact on violent crime and homicides in the country since 1996, nor did the gun buy-back program show any positive effect on Australia’s crime rate. Australia’s crime rate has always been lower than that of the United States, but no observable statistic links Australia’s crime rate, relative to the United States’, to gun control. Their own data fails to provide that connection.
According to the Australian Institute of Criminology, the “percentage of homicides committed with a firearm continued a declining trend which began in 1969“, which was well before the strict new controls on gun ownership in 1996.
Data does indicate that the number of homicides committed with a gun declined since the middle 90s. However, homicides committed with knife or other sharp objects increased dramatically, more quickly than the decline rate of gun crime. In other words, nothing changed in Australia’s violent crime statistics beyond the weapon of choice.

[brettels]

Then I take back my last statement humbly

and i'll take back my plane comment

also, yeah they not only took out the wrong aussie, taking out any aussie is the wrong aussie.

[brettels]

actually one aussie you are more than welcome to take out is nick xenophon

[Mac4Lyfe]

"This public service announcement brought to you by your friendly neighborhood gun manufacturer..."

Between October 1996 and September 1997, the government bought more than 631,000 guns from its residents – mostly 22-caliber semi-automatics and shotguns. The government spent $360m in Australian dollars. Only an estimated 60% of Australian residents obeyed the law.
However, crime statistics in Australia reveal that increased gun control has made no impact on violent crime and homicides in the country since 1996, nor did the gun buy-back program show any positive effect on Australia’s crime rate. Australia’s crime rate has always been lower than that of the United States, but no observable statistic links Australia’s crime rate, relative to the United States’, to gun control. Their own data fails to provide that connection.
According to the Australian Institute of Criminology, the “percentage of homicides committed with a firearm continued a declining trend which began in 1969“, which was well before the strict new controls on gun ownership in 1996.
Data does indicate that the number of homicides committed with a gun declined since the middle 90s. However, homicides committed with knife or other sharp objects increased dramatically, more quickly than the decline rate of gun crime. In other words, nothing changed in Australia’s violent crime statistics beyond the weapon of choice.