OMG Jose Fernandez - 13 strikeouts though seven innings so far.

[InTheDrink]

Can't argue that? Kershaw is having one of the best pitching seasons ever this year.

fyi has anyone noticed theyre all in the national league while king felix is dominating the offensive circuit?

[jnickell100]

fyi has anyone noticed theyre all in the national league while king felix is dominating the offensive circuit?

Figured you or jmobile would respond to that. You're both dodger haters. But please don't compare Felix to kershaw. There is no comparison between the two.

[InTheDrink]

Figured you or jmobile would respond to that. You're both dodger haters. But please don't compare Felix to kershaw. There is no comparison between the two.

go ahead and explain

we're waiting

[jnickell100]

Maybe someone else can compare side by side but:
kershaw--era 1.87 compared to Felix 2.3
kershaw whip---.86 compared to Felix 1.06
kershaw3complete game so--3 Felix 0

[InTheDrink]

Maybe someone else can compare side by side but:
kershaw--era 1.87 compared to Felix 2.3
kershaw whip---.86 compared to Felix 1.06
kershaw3complete game so--3 Felix 0

there probably isnt much difference between the american league and the national league

apples to apples comparison

[stevenash]

Ever?Gibson in 1968 says hello,Pedro had a couple of better seasons too
QUOTE=jnickell100;19297216]Can't argue that? Kershaw is having one of the best pitching seasons ever this year.[/QUOTE]

[InTheDrink]

Ever?Gibson in 1968 says hello,Pedro had a couple of better seasons too

Can't argue that? Kershaw is having one of the best pitching seasons ever this year.

nasher even you know gibbie's season was overrated (but still great) because of the mound height

nasher petey was the best pitcher over about a five year span any of us will ever see

[Smoke]

I have had my eye on him since 2011

[CanuckG]

Maybe someone else can compare side by side but:
kershaw--era 1.87 compared to Felix 2.3
kershaw whip---.86 compared to Felix 1.06
kershaw3complete game so--3 Felix 0

facing the weak NL helps

Felix light years ahead of Kershaw

[CanuckG]

http://blogs.seattletimes.com/hotstoneleague/2013/08/02/felix-hernandez-and-the-cy-young-if-its-not-the-offense-letting-him-down-its-the-bullpen/

[FearTheBeard]

Fernandez even hit a sac fly tonight. 14K's like Darvish the other night. Keeping my eyes on those 2 they gon' be dealing for years if they can stay healthy.

[jnickell100]

facing the weak NL helps

Felix light years ahead of Kershaw

please kid. Light years ahead. You're high. Kershaw has been the best p in the last 3 years. So anyways I just looked over some numbers, the nl west collectivity has a higher team batting average than al west.

Also, your article is nice and cute about Hernandez.
Kershaw's run support per gm---3.22. Felix---4.43

[stevenash]

nasher even you know gibbie's season was overrated (but still great) because of the mound height

nasher petey was the best pitcher over about a five year span any of us will ever see

Bob Gibson changed the way the game was played after 1968, he's the reason why they lowered the mound.
Here's his 1968 game log, how many consecutive shut outs in June?
Look at all the 1-0, 2-1, 2-0 games also.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?id=gibsobo01&t=p&year=1968

My favorite Gibby story, his catcher Tim McCarver comes out to the mound for a chat, Gibson points to the home plate, tells McCarver, "go back, what can you tell me about pitching except you can't hit it"


GREATEST SINGLE SEASON PITCHING PERFORMANCES
W-LERALg. Avg. ERARER

	Pitcher	W-L	ERA	Lg. Avg. ERA	RERA
2000	Pedro Martinez	19-9	1.74	4.91	.354
1994*	Greg Maddux	16-6	1.56	4.21	.365
1968	Bob Gibson	22-9	1.12	2.99	.375
1995*	Greg Maddux	19-2	1.63	4.18	.379
1999	Pedro Martinez	23-4	2.07	4.86	.425
1985	Dwight Gooden	24-4	1.53	3.59	.426
1996	Kevin Brown	17-11	1.89	4.34	.435
1997	Roger Clemens	21-7	2.05	4.57	.449
1997	Pedro Martinez	17-8	1.90	4.22	.451
1964	Dean Chance	20-9	1.64	3.63	.455
1981*	Nolan Ryan	11-5	1.69	3.70	.456
1978	Ron Guidry	25-3	1.74	3.76	.463
1966	Sandy Koufax	27-9	1.73	3.61	.479
1953	Warren Spahn	23-7	2.10	4.29	.490
1964	Sandy Koufax	19-5	1.74	3.54	.492
1990	Roger Clemens	21-6	1.93	3.91	.494
1955	Billy Pierce	15-10	1.97	3.96	.497
1997	Randy Johnson	20-4	2.28	4.57	.499
1971	Tom Seaver	20-10	1.76	3.47	.507

[LT Profits]

Jimmenez was 2:1 fave in Cleveland

You posted Hernandez +210 yesterday, and he wasn't. Miami was favored.

[LT Profits]

Figured you or jmobile would respond to that. You're both dodger haters. But please don't compare Felix to kershaw. There is no comparison between the two.

Actually the two are extremely close and Hernandez actually has the slight edge right now, although it is very close and practically a toss-up. Felix 2.45 FIP, Kershaw 2.47 FIP; Felix 2.60 xFIP, Kershaw 2.90 xFIP; Felix 4.9 WAR, Kershaw 4,5 WAR.

[InTheDrink]

1.74 era in the middle of the steroid era

obfukkinscene

pedro

[stevenash]

You posted Hernandez +210 yesterday, and he wasn't. Miami was favored.

I posted the run line, sorry about that, -110/+210

[stevenash]

1.74 era in the middle of the steroid era

obfukkinscene

pedro

Maddux too.
Thing is it's a tough comparison, two different leagues, two different styles of pitching..............

[InTheDrink]

Maddux too.
Thing is it's a tough comparison, two different leagues, two different styles of pitching..............

agreed....but even as a phils fan i acknowledge that most of the big offenses were in the AL in that era...AL teams averaged around a quarter run per game more than NL teams in that era

This is the greatest performance I've ever seen given the circumstances

[stevenash]

but even as a phils fan

1972 Phils win 59 lose 97, Carlton goes 27 and 10
Now if you add the two games he started that the Phils won and he got a No Decision in, Steve Carlton started 50% of all the games the Phillies won that season.

Now that is what I call a great single season performance.

Want to see something you'll never see again, click on this game log link of all Carlton's starts that year in 1972, look at the IP column, foget all the nine inning games he pitched, look how many 10 inning plus games he pitched in.

Pay even closer attention to the innings pitched column in Sept/Oct

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?id=carltst01&t=p&year=1972

[jnickell100]

What site are you getting all this shit from Nash.?

[stevenash]

What site are you getting all this shit from Nash.?

Define shit? The stat links?

[jnickell100]

Define shit? The stat links?

Yes your stats. Meant "shit" in a good way lol. You always come up with these obscure hard to find stats.

[InTheDrink]

1972 Phils win 59 lose 97, Carlton goes 27 and 10
Now if you add the two games he started that the Phils won and he got a No Decision in, Steve Carlton started 50% of all the games the Phillies won that season.

Now that is what I call a great single season performance.

Want to see something you'll never see again, click on this game log link of all Carlton's starts that year in 1972, look at the IP column, foget all the nine inning games he pitched, look how many 10 inning plus games he pitched in.

Pay even closer attention to the innings pitched column in Sept/Oct

http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...&t=p&year=1972

41 starts and 37 decisions

is 30 cg's a lot?

[stevenash]

Yes your stats. Meant "shit" in a good way lol. You always come up with these obscure hard to find stats.

baseball-reference.com

[stevenash]

is 30 cg's a lot?

Only 25 or so pitchers in this era start 30 games all season now

[InTheDrink]

baseball-reference.com

best sports site ever made

[TheLock]

Totally shocked that a Jose Fernandez thread turns into a Kershaw/Felix pissing contest.

[jnickell100]

Totally shocked that a Jose Fernandez thread turns into a Kershaw/Felix pissing contest.

Ya I know. My fault. I hijacked the thread.

[LT Profits]

Totally shocked that a Jose Fernandez thread turns into a Kershaw/Felix pissing contest.

Well I DO think that everyone in this thread agrees that Fernandez is a stud, it is just about impossible to argue otherwise.

[stevenash]

Just read he'll be shut down for the season Labor Day

[You mad bro]

Just read he'll be shut down for the season Labor Day

itll ruin him

[stevenash]

J Fernandez	4.0	0	0	0	0	6	0	50-37	2.27

[wagerjunkie]

He's not jenrry mejia good

was this sarcastic or serious?

what the hell ever happened to that kid?

I remember the Mets touting him as their next Doc Gooden (before Harvey was ever even drafted) he came up for a few MLB starts, had a blazing fastball, then disappeared like a fart in the wind.