IMO, UNC Is Overrated

[TPowell]

wow +250 doesnt seem that great to me, if UConn and Pitt werent so bad in March lately I would take 1 of those 2

[dlw902]

Louisville wouldn't have a chance against North Carolina... sorry, dind't see much from Louisville last night... shoulda lost to ND at home... nice.

[TPowell]

should have lost lol????? They led the whole game until the end when they made a nice comeback. North Carolina is not improving, Louisville is improving game to game it seems like. North Carolina wouldnt know what to do with guys like Knowles and McGee in their face constantly. Louisville played North Carolina pretty well last year. Padgett just didnt have a great game and we got behind early

[unde0087]

should have lost lol????? They led the whole game until the end when they made a nice comeback. North Carolina is not improving, Louisville is improving game to game it seems like. North Carolina wouldnt know what to do with guys like Knowles and McGee in their face constantly. Louisville played North Carolina pretty well last year. Padgett just didnt have a great game and we got behind early

There is no doubt UNC is stunned right now but to say that UNC wouldn't know what to do with Louisville when they have lost to UNLV and W. Kentucky on their home floor and then getting dominated at Minnesota is going a bit far. I mean Louisville is a basket away from losing their last 3 games (Had to hit a last second 3 against Kentucky, Villinova had three tip ins roll around the rim to beat them, and last night ND had a chance for the last shot). Ville shoots way to many 3's and that is why they don't close the door on anyone because they don't hit many, they damn near shot themselves into a loss the last 3 games shooting the 3. UNC beat Ville by double digits last time they saw them and until a Big East team beats UNC I don't want to hear this kind of thing. Last two Big East teams lost by 13+. Last time I ever remember UNC losing to a Big East team was 2 years ago in the tournament to Gtown. So lets not get carried away.

Big East is a great conference but ACC is no doormatt either, 4 teams in the top 10, 3 in the top 5. Can't argue with that.

[Doc JS]

Scouts starting to think Hansborough will be an average nba player at best, his stock is dropping quickly.

JJ,
Psycho T's stock has never been very high with the NBA types.

Williams is one of worst coaches in Country

JJ, where do you come up with this sh*t???

Head coaching record
Season Team Overall Conference Standing Postseason
Kansas (Big Eight Conference) (1988–1996)
1988–1989 Kansas 19-12 6-8 6th Ineligible due to NCAA violations
1989–1990 Kansas 30-5 11-3 T-2nd NCAA 2nd Round
1990–1991 Kansas 27-8 10-4 T-1st NCAA Runner-Up
1991–1992 Kansas 27-5 11-3 1st NCAA 2nd Round
1992–1993 Kansas 29-7 11-3 1st NCAA Final Four
1993–1994 Kansas 27-8 9-5 3rd NCAA Sweet 16
1994–1995 Kansas 25-6 11-3 1st NCAA Sweet 16
1995–1996 Kansas 29-5 12-2 1st NCAA Elite Eight
Kansas (Big 12 Conference) (1996–2003)
1996–1997 Kansas 34-2 15-1 1st NCAA Sweet 16
1997–1998 Kansas 35-4 15-1 1st NCAA 2nd Round
1998–1999 Kansas 23-10 11-5 T-2nd NCAA 2nd Round
1999–2000 Kansas 24-10 11-5 5th NCAA 2nd Round
2000–2001 Kansas 26-7 12-4 T-2nd NCAA Sweet 16
2001–2002 Kansas 33-4 16-0 1st NCAA Final Four
2002–2003 Kansas 30-8 14-2 1st NCAA Runner-Up
Kansas: 418-101 (.805) 175-49 (.781)
North Carolina (Atlantic Coast Conference) (2003–present)
2003–2004 North Carolina 19-11 8-8 6th NCAA 2nd Round
2004–2005 North Carolina 33-4 14-2 1st NCAA Champions
2005–2006 North Carolina 23-8 12-4 2nd NCAA 2nd Round
2006–2007 North Carolina 31-7 11-5 1st NCAA Elite Eight
2007-2008 North Carolina 36-3 14-2 1st NCAA Final Four
2008-2009 North Carolina 14-2 0-2
North Carolina: 156-35[27][28] (.816) 59-23 (.719)
Total: 574-136[29][30] (.808)
National Champion Conference Champion Conference Tournament Champion
Reg. Season & Tournament Champion Conference Division Champion

Now, if you want to knock him because he has only won one NC, fine that's a fair criticism but all Roy has done at both Kansas and UNC is win.

I hate the Tar Holes. But to say Roy Williams is one of the worst coaches in the country is just plain stupid...(even by your standards)



Doc

[TPowell]

You cant judge coaching by records IMO, I could win 20+ games at UNC with the kind of talent they attract. Roy isnt a great in game coach but he's not terrible. Rick Pitino is the best motivator and teacher in college basketball, while being a below average in game coach IMO

[unde0087]

Kids don't recruit themselves Powell

[TPowell]

yeah I understand that but how many kids DON'T want to come to North Carolina? I was talking about coaching ability, NOT recruiting

[Doc JS]

You cant judge coaching by records IMO, I could win 20+ games at UNC with the kind of talent they attract.

Matt Doherty couldn't...

[losturmarbles]

louisville would look like a girls high school team playing unc. or duke for that matter.

i'm telling you, none of the big east teams have a chance against unc or duke.

just watch georgetown this weekend @duke. they'll lose by 15+

[dlw902]

TPowell, Notre Dame led pretty much the entire second half... not sure where you got that Louisville led most of the game.

[unde0087]

Matt Doherty couldn't...

I was just going to say the same thing. Look, when you say the word "coaching" it entails everything: recruiting, practice, and in-game. A person can't simply recruit good players and then go to a final four and win a championship. It is what the coach does to bring those kids along and make them play together. Coaching doesn't start when they tip the ball, it starts when those kids step on campus.

[Doc JS]

just watch georgetown this weekend @duke. they'll lose by 15+

Are you offering Georgetown +15???

Because if you are, I'd like to step up to the window and place a wager!

Doc

[unde0087]

louisville would look like a girls high school team playing unc. or duke for that matter.

i'm telling you, none of the big east teams have a chance against unc or duke.

just watch georgetown this weekend @duke. they'll lose by 15+

It is not worth arguing man. I know what you are saying but just let the record speak for itself. UNC hasn't lost to a Big East team in 2 years and has won convincingly against the 2 they did play. Can't argue against that.

[Doc JS]

I was just going to say the same thing. Look, when you say the word "coaching" it entails everything: recruiting, practice, and in-game. A person can't simply recruit good players and then go to a final four and win a championship. It is what the coach does to bring those kids along and make them play together. Coaching doesn't start when they tip the ball, it starts when those kids step on campus.

Just like when people say anybody could win 11 games a year with the talent Pete Carroll has at Southern Cal...

Well...there was a long period of time between the glory days of John Robinson and Pete Carroll when the Trojans weren't winning 10-11 games a year.

Doc

[unde0087]

Just like when people say anybody could win 11 games a year with the talent Pete Carroll has at Southern Cal...

Well...there was a long period of time between the glory days of John Robinson and Pete Carroll when the Trojans weren't winning 10-11 games a year.

Doc

I agree 110% Doc, people that think Williams can't coach are just haters, if coaches aren't graded on wins, final fours, and championships, what are they graded on then? Certainly all those are basicly the criteria to be in the Hall of Fame.

[losturmarbles]

TPowell, Notre Dame led pretty much the entire second half... not sure where you got that Louisville led most of the game.

not sure what game you were watching
louisville led most of the 1st half, and good part of the 2nd. nd never led by more than 4 that i can remember.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/gamecast?gameId=290120097

[TPowell]

The ACC is ALWAYS overrated and its no different this year, UNC can't guard anything resembling a "guard" and Duke cant handle a team with a solid post presence. Wake Forest could go out before the Sweet 16 easily and Clemson is a joke

[ryanXL977]

no

[TPowell]

ding ding ding, told you Wake and Clemson sucked. North Carolina hasn't played an elite team the whole ****ing tournament..... how does that happen? Look at who Michigan State played to get there

[unde0087]

how does unc look now?

[schaapattack]

They'd be lucky to finish above .500 in the Big East this year.

you dont know much about cbb

[schaapattack]

ding ding ding, told you Wake and Clemson sucked. North Carolina hasn't played an elite team the whole ****ing tournament..... how does that happen? Look at who Michigan State played to get there

doesnt matter bud..nobody would have beaten them

[schaapattack]

powell must have bet ms

[Charger42]

I guess they are not so under rated after all. Best point guard, top shooters, blue collar PF, and world class coach is a good combination.