Ron Paul: ONLY GOPer To Oppose Israel's Invasion

[pavyracer]

Name one war that Arabs started that doesn't involve Israel? Arabs are very peacuful people when not irked by thievery of land.

[ritehook]

Reminder to all, we have been through this in the past here at SBR.

US annual aid to middle East countries-
$2.5 billion to Israel
$1.9 billion to Egypt
$550 million to Jordan
$50 million to Palestinians

That's a 50/50 split between the good guys and the bad guys, depending on who ya like.

Uh, ker, are you saying that Egypt is a "bad guy" in the MidEast, from the Zionist viewpoint?

If so, I suggest you contact your embassy (the Israeli one, of course) to get the facts.

Egypt is a de facto ally of Israel. By way of bribery. The bribe coming in the form of 2 billion a year from the exhausted US taxpayers.

Why the bribe? ker, do your know the modern history of the nation of your heart?

Egypt made a separate peace with Israel, whereby the warlords of Zion secured their southern borders. The U.S. brokered the deal - the sweetener was the billions of US money for Mubarak and his crooked friends.

Ditto Jordan. Bought off by Uncle Sammy. They sold out their brethren for a few billion pieces of silver.

The only Palestinians to get US money are the Fatah, discredited now in occupied Palestine. Hamas get only made in US bombs raining down on their women and children.

[ryanXL977]

we let israel get nukes, and nobody else, so those aid numbers dont mean much

nodoby should have nukes, including , and especially, the usa

[ritehook]

Damn straight they did! The corridor for "emergency aid" is how they resupply their rocket stations.

I have two thoughts on this matter that lead me to support Israel in this conflict.

1. Hamas is conducting a war of terror. They are targeting civilians with rockets. You can make arguments that this is justified, but it is an act of war.

2. Israel is our mid-east fortress. When things go to hell over there, we can get 200k GIs and 1000 Abrams there in under a month, but ONLY if we have a secure base - Israel. If Israel collapses, you will see all sorts of bad things happening there, and you and I will pay for it with MUCH higher gas prices. I don't know if it will be Iran invading other "US Friendly" Arab states, or Hezbollah blowing up pipelines. But right now, Israel is our point-man, and they are vital to our oil prices. While I personally don't care how much gas costs, most of our economy gets devastated when oil becomes too expensive.

If you really want to get the US detached from the US, you are better off focusing on energy indepedence.

Justin, for whatever reason you are swallowing Zionist/neocon propaganda whole.

Strange for a guy who analyzes sports from different angles, and does not accept public perceptions. (You say elsewhere you are not ethnically Jewish - what is the connection otherwise? Wife? Friend?)

But there are so many illogicalities in your statements here that with the Giant/EAgle game coming up in a few minutes I don't have time to reply.

Let me ask you just one question: if what you say is so correct, that it is in the USA's vital interest to support, supply and/or bleed for Israel --- why does that nation need this huge, potent lobby to intimidate and threaten American lawmakers into supporting all its actions?

The US does not see its own interests clearly enough, it needs these wise and inspired mediators to guide us in our own interests, so stupid are we?

[ryanXL977]

what exactly was palestine before it became israel ? some gangster state run by arafats dad
lets be real here

[Dark Horse]

I don't buy this Zionist conspiracy banking stuff... Although I'd certainly look closely at it if there were credible sources.

Read the linked article. A compilation of historical facts. I promise you it's worth your time. (and like I said, this dark angle did allow me to pinpoint the precise point when oil had peaked).

The Zionist angle was added later, historically. The bankers/money printers were first. Their influence is un-real.

For the record, president Andrew Jackson dealt with the second incarnation of the Central Bank (the Fed is the third). Near the end of his life, when asked what he considered his greatest achievement, he answered:" I killed the Bank."

Nowadays, the media have a stranglehold on public opinion. But those in the gambling world might see a familiar theme in how the (illegal) Federal Bank was voted in. On December 23rd, 1913 (with almost all Congressman gone for Christmas). From this point on the US people had to pay the privately owned Fed interest on the money that the Fed printed (which the government should print itself, of course, free of interest to a third party).

The only US president since then that tried to break this setup was JFK. In June of 1963 he ordered that the US government print its own money. And so it happened. Six months later he was dead. And the government's money printing presses were immediately stopped. This is historical fact. You can look it up. You can find images of the money that was printed by the US government.

For traders it is vital to understand the dark overarching perspective within which our markets operate. If outsiders wish to shrug it off as conspiracy theory, so be it. What's new? The people are easily fooled. But traders that do not understand the workings behind the scene will pay for it. And have. Especially in 2008.

Anyway, I hope you read the article. I have carefully studied it, as have many of my friends. These are critical thinkers.

[reno cool]

The Jewish counter to AIPAC, a group called J Street, seems to have made no headway in supporting candidates who do not advocate American yea-saying every Isreali move. I mean, 5 congresspeople only have voted against this brutal assault, because one incredibly powerful lobby can boot them out of office.,

It therefore can be concluded that the war against GAza is a war against America, waged by most American Jews on the country that saved they goose over 60 years ago.

Funny way to show gratitude. But we are to blame, for our total lack of control of our political whores. It smashes the dream of Jefferson, Madison, et al that a "free press" (LMAO) will protect the interests of the people.

come on man you know better than this.
The US got involved in the war against Germany in '44... for the sole purpose of saving Jews. It had nothing to do with establishing a controlling interest in Europe and preventing the USSR from doing the same.
By the time the US got militarily involved Germany was in retreat. Jews owe America shit. But lets be clear on who's using who. Most Israelis would be more than happy with a peace settlement, but it's American hegemonic interests that have prevented this from happening.