Ron Paul: ONLY GOPer To Oppose Israel's Invasion

[ritehook]

The video from his comments in the House yesterday are on YouTube and elsewhere. His extended remarks on the subject can be googled.

His basic theme is that we are heavily supporting one side there, as as those folks have been warring with each other for a long time we should JUST STAY OUT.

He was the ONLY REPUBLICAN TO VOTE AGAINST THE HR RES 34, SUPPORTING ISRAEL'S BLOODY INVASION OF GAZA.

Only four Democrats did so, including Dennis Kucinich and Maxine Waters.

38 member of the House either did not vote, or voted "present."

This resolution supporting Isreali terror was no doubt written by AIPAC, the big lobby group for Israel.

It's again gives credence to Pat Buchanan's designation of Congress as "Israel Occupied Territory."

[ritehook]

The Jewish counter to AIPAC, a group called J Street, seems to have made no headway in supporting candidates who do not advocate American yea-saying every Isreali move. I mean, 5 congresspeople only have voted against this brutal assault, because one incredibly powerful lobby can boot them out of office.,

It therefore can be concluded that the war against GAza is a war against America, waged by most American Jews on the country that saved they goose over 60 years ago.

Funny way to show gratitude. But we are to blame, for our total lack of control of our political whores. It smashes the dream of Jefferson, Madison, et al that a "free press" (LMAO) will protect the interests of the people.

[wtf]

I totally agree with your AIPAC control of the total political process. Did you see obama speech at the recent aipac dinner? I have never seen such a butt licking in my life, it was embarrassing.

But i dont understand why hamas was provoking isreal with the occasional bombing, unless the press is being manipulated again by you know who.

[pavyracer]

Hamas is trying to draw ground troops in Gaza's ghettos so they would be slaughtered or captured. The only way to draw them into their trap is to fire rockets to Israel because the Hamas airforce and Navy are non-existent.

[nosniboR11]

hey rithook we got it you and pavy are nazi's you hate jews, we got it, by the way this is a sports forum

[ritehook]

hey rithook we got it you and pavy are nazi's you hate jews, we got it, by the way this is a sports forum

This has all been hashed over many, many times. Check the few threads, going back to April or so, from your fellow nationalist, kerfuffle. He is a bit calmer (after one embarrassing initial outburst) than are you.

The great majority of my posts (probably 90%) are on sports. I don't want to speak for pavyracer, but I'd say something like 90% of his are also on sports. He is, tho, highly knowledgeable about weaponry and disposition of forces in the MidEast.

But sports handicapping involves a lot of contrarianism.

If you can see the value of underdogs in sports, and are willing to look behind the suface, you are also often willing to "handicap history" with the same outlook. Including contemporary history.

Unless you are a committed nationalist for one particular side in the Mideast conflict. Like most New Yorkers I know are fanatical Giants fans (I have no idea from what segment of the greater NYC area the Jets draw their support).

It's Ok if you're a nationalist for the fundamenalist Jewish side in the ME conflicts. I fully understand your belief that an old volcano god named Yahveh promnised your alleged ancestors the land there - many old gods have doubled as real estate agents.

Come to this forum and put forward your reasons as to why Mother Israel should own the whole region - we can then engage in consructive dialogue. And maybe both learn something.

[ryanXL977]

the only people who can speak out are american jews. anyone else who speaks out will be labeled anti semitic. its very easy to label someone and end the conversation. once again, the jews will have to do all the work. as they always do !!
israel is not one of the 50 states. our support of them, our blind support, is helping to bleed us dry.

[ritehook]

Hamas is trying to draw ground troops in Gaza's ghettos so they would be slaughtered or captured. The only way to draw them into their trap is to fire rockets to Israel because the Hamas airforce and Navy are non-existent.

Not sure this is correct, pr.

I think it's more frustration about being choked off from vital supplies that allow them to live. Hamas is not a disciplined fighting force like Hezbollah. But the crimes being committed against them by the masters of our own country cry out for vengeance.

And I suspect that it won't be long - less than a decade - before some US city pays in radioactive spades for the perfidy of our cowardly politicians. (Hope it's not where I live!!!)

[pavyracer]

Thank you ritehook. Your post is representing my beliefs too. Zionism will eventually fail. The odds against them are like 3 to 1000. 3 million Jews are fighting 1 billion Muslims. Their empire will be destroyed just like the last King of Israel surrendered his kingdom to the Romans. This time the Romans are the Muslims and they will eventually acquire weaponry to obliterate the state of Israel from the face of the earth. Uncle Sam is too far away to help and with a gigantic 2 trillion deficit money will run out sooner than later and defending Israel will not be a priority at which time the Muslim armies will run victorious in Jerusalem just like Salahedin did 800 years ago.

[ritehook]

I totally agree with your AIPAC control of the total political process. Did you see obama speech at the recent aipac dinner? I have never seen such a butt licking in my life, it was embarrassing.

But i dont understand why hamas was provoking isreal with the occasional bombing, unless the press is being manipulated again by you know who.

Yeah, I saw Obama dance the dance at last year's AIPAC convention. I knew then, tho, that he didn't have to, he had the election.

His appointment of Emanuel as chief of staff is another indication that he well bend over for The Lobby. Emanuel is a fierce Israeli nationalist (his dad was a terrorist in the 20 years of war leading up to the founding of Israel and the partition of Palenstine).

And his naming of Hillary as Sec of State is another indication that there will be no "change" in that important area. Hillary's close friend and chief financial supporter is a media mogul named Haim Saban, who is quoted as saying: "I'm a one-issue guy, and my issue is Israel."

As I said before, those who sent money to Obama should at least ask for their "change" back.

[ritehook]

the only people who can speak out are american jews. anyone else who speaks out will be labeled anti semitic. its very easy to label someone and end the conversation. once again, the jews will have to do all the work. as they always do !!
israel is not one of the 50 states. our support of them, our blind support, is helping to bleed us dry.

I agree with that, ryan, to a large extent. And to a great measure American Jews are, in increasing numbers, speaking out on the topic. (I posted the other day a quote by Roseanne Barr on the "Nazi" nature of Israel, re its incursinon to Gaza.)

I noticed that even mealy-mouthed Charlie Rose now and then allows someone to mention the power of the Israeli Lobby. (Public television is largely supported by Amercan Jews.)

But there is also Ron Paul; Pat Buchanan; Justin Raimundo and his group at antiwar,com; Lew Rockwell, Lt Col Karen K--------(long Polish name I can't remember) and others. Gentiles . . .

The domination of the US by the power group in service to another country will not last forever. Thrre are always, ultinmately, strong reactions to it. If it goes on too long, unchallenged, the ultimate response is sometimes very unpleasant, for both the perps and the hosts.

The great, hidden question of American history in Century 21, is how long this gross distortion of American foreign policy will continue, and how and when it will end. Will it dry up quietly, or will there be a bloody cataclysm?

Well, to saisfy my critique, and my great immediate itnerest, want to see the rest of trhe game where the Cardinals are about to complete the first half of my teaser!

[ryanXL977]

the gross distortion of american foreign policy is swallowed only by americans afraid to think, fearing that it will make them a bad little german if they do. everyone else knows whats going on. though this forum is filled with guys who support israel and have no idea why. what a horrid idea putting the jews homeland in that hellhole pit of fire ME.

[Dark Horse]

Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich are standup guys who know what the story is. Most other politicians are in the back pocket of the Zionists, and would place their own career/Israel above the American People every time. That is the scandal of our time.

[Todd2122]

No matter what is happening there, our country is done. We don't have anything else. No one wants our products, we have huge deficits, our population is getting dumber, weaker, and working less hard. Our culture is jaded, sex-crazed, lazy, consumer oriented, crap. Our leadership is lacking, our problem solving is nil, we have nothing to look forward to, multiculturalism doesn't work, God doesn't exist.

So, who wins tomorrow?

[ritehook]

I might add another non-Jew who righteously stands up to AIPAC:
the highly intelligent former congresswoman from Georgia, Cynthia McKinney.

Ms McKinney, African-American, was a rising star in Atlanta politics when AIPAC came a'callin', to tell her what to do and how to vote, if she was elected to Congress.

McKinney was very offended by this behavior, and despite AIPAC's opposiiton was elected to Congress. Eventually, due to AIPAC sending in big bucks to her opponents, she lost her seat.

She regained it, then lost it again. She was an independent thinker on many issues.

Marching to the beat of her own drummer, she ran for president in '08 on the Green Party ticket. Here is a news item from her campaign.


Cynthia McKinney on AIPAC and Israeli espionage





On 02/02/08, Cynthia McKinney, the 2008 Green Party presidential nominee, speaks at a fund raiser of the Muslim Legal Fund of America (MLFA).
She describes the hostile takeover of American politics by pro-Israeli groups, aided by congress on both sides of the aisle.
She details the resulting corrosion of American society, a corrosion that represents a particular threat to Muslims and their civil liberties.

There was a lot of wide-eyed wonderment in the '08 presidental campaign about the chance America had to vote for eitheir a woman or a black.

Actually, we had a chance to vote for both, in the same person.
As smart as Obama, but with scruples. We blew it again

[ritehook]

the gross distortion of american foreign policy is swallowed only by americans afraid to think, fearing that it will make them a bad little german if they do. everyone else knows whats going on. though this forum is filled with guys who support israel and have no idea why. what a horrid idea putting the jews homeland in that hellhole pit of fire ME.

It was a horrific idea to make Palestine the "homeland" for world Jewry, and with the bogus slogan: "A land without a people for a people without a land."

Palestine had been populated by the ethnicity known later as Palestinians for 2 millenia, when the Zionist invasion began in earnest after the Balfour Declaration.

However, Herzl, the Franco/Jewish journalist who started Zionism with the publication of his book, The Jewish State, in late 19th century France, as a reaction to the Dreyfus case, was willing to accept land anywhre in the world.

The area of what is now Madagascar was discussed. But after Balfour all the Zionist effort went toward Palestine. Better and bigger land deals there, in what geopoliticians callled The Heartland, than in some obscure African wasteland.

While Jewish settlers and Palestiians had lived for generations in relative peace in Palestine, once the fanatic Zionists arrived the land grabbing began, a favorite pasttime of the newcomers. And, of course, the Palestinians often rioted.

The British had the mandate over the region, as an aftermath of WWI, and tried to maintain order. But the Zionist terror gangs began assassinating the Brit troops, with the culmination being the destrruction in the '40s the King David Hotel, with the deaths of many English soldiers.

Zionism used the world's sympathy with the Jewish plight under Nazi Germany to get recognition of their new state, won by terror.

That is why we have this never-ending mess in the MidEast.

[Igetp2s]

The video from his comments in the House yesterday are on YouTube and elsewhere. His extended remarks on the subject can be googled.

His basic theme is that we are heavily supporting one side there, as as those folks have been warring with each other for a long time we should JUST STAY OUT.

He was the ONLY REPUBLICAN TO VOTE AGAINST THE HR RES 34, SUPPORTING ISRAEL'S BLOODY INVASION OF GAZA.

Only four Democrats did so, including Dennis Kucinich and Maxine Waters.

38 member of the House either did not vote, or voted "present."

This resolution supporting Isreali terror was no doubt written by AIPAC, the big lobby group for Israel.

It's again gives credence to Pat Buchanan's designation of Congress as "Israel Occupied Territory."

Too bad nobody's firing missles at your house for months on end, with 15 seconds warning to get into a bomb shelter. You deserve to live in constant fear and terror. I'm sure you'd have no problem with that at all.

People who oppose Israel's right to self defense are clearly anti-semitic. You can tell yourself whatever the hell you want if it, it doesn't change that fact.

Unless you would tolerate firing of missiles at your home and not react to it, you are an anti-Semite bigot for opposing Israel's right to do the same. You didn't seem to care about Israelis killed or injured by them the past 6 months.

[ritehook]

Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich are standup guys who know what the story is. Most other politicians are in the back pocket of the Zionists, and would place their own career/Israel above the American People every time. That is the scandal of our time.

"The scandal of our time."

Right. And very, very few of the mass media ever mentions it, even obliquely.

It was the fundamental flaw in the thinking of the Founders - they saw the openings in the repulican form of govt and the Constitution that could one day be taken advantage of by an unscrupulous force. I belive Madison, in one of the Federalist Papers, discusses that very issue.

But Madison and others pinned their hopes that a free press would spot the danger, and alert their fellow citizens to it.

Another happy dream down the ol' drain . . .

Tho the Founders I think would be very pleased with the advent of the Internet, sometimes an irresponsbile vehicle, but the last repository of a truly free press, and free inquiry . . .

[ritehook]

Too bad nobody's firing missles at your house for months on end, with 15 seconds warning to get into a bomb shelter. You deserve to live in constant fear and terror. I'm sure you'd have no problem with that at all.

People who oppose Israel's right to self defense are clearly anti-semitic. You can tell yourself whatever the hell you want if it, it doesn't change that fact.

Unless you would tolerate firing of missiles at your home and not react to it, you are an anti-Semite bigot for opposing Israel's right to do the same. You didn't seem to care about Israelis killed or injured by them the past 6 months.

How many Israelis were killed or injured by the firecrackers Hamas were firing in the last 6 months? Give me a figure.

If you were barricaded in your home by a gang of thugs, not allowed to bring in foodstuff or medicines, and the people of yiour house were slowly being reduced to the status of cornered rats - what would you do?

Strke back. In any way possible. Regretfully, Hamas rockets were only able to reach some small villages in Isreal. The death toll was non-exitent in recent months (going by memory) and the injury toll slight.

Did you know that in December Hamas asked (through the Egyptian who conducted negotiations between the two sides) for an extension of the cease-fire, asking only that a corridor for emergency aid be mandated.

And that Israel point-blank refused.

Israel wanted this war. One, to show the supporters of Bibi the King that Kadima and Labor, by g-d, could be just as tough if not toughter than the Likudniks, when it comes to killing Palestinians.

And second, they were sending a message to Obama: this is the way it is, black boy, and you had better play along with us or your presidency won't be worth a bucket of warm sh1t.

However, your kind of boilerplate propaganda is still swalowed whole by the American sheep. But one day the sheep, radioactive as they may then be, will awaken with the blinders burned off, and scream to the heavens to punish those responsible . . .

It has, unfortunately, happened all too often before in Western history. Some of the more intelligent US Jews understand the awesome abuse of America by the Israel-Firsters,and are seeking to awaken the sheep now, before it's too late. Before another grave and nightmarish historical drama begins . . .

[ritehook]

Incidentally, iget, so hackneyed and tired is the tossing around of the "anti-Semitic" charge, that it lost an awful lot of its punch.

When General Anthony Zinni, then the CIC in the Middle EAst wondered why, in the runup to the invasion of Iraq, all the voices loudest in the war hollering were neocon, the latter (mostly Jewish) accused this much-decorated miltaray man of being "anti-semitic."

Zionists for the past 10 years have been routinely calling other Jews "anti-semitic." Billionaire money mogul George Soros has been called the AS term for questioning the fierceness of Isreali nationalism.

Ex-president Jimmy Carter has (rightly) called Israel an apartheid state. Of course, Jimmy Carter is another of those horrid anti-semites.

If any American Jew, anywhere, demurs when some elderly laptop bombadier living in Scarsdale or Beverly Hills stand up at a Zionist meeting to proclaim that "we will never surrender the Golan Heights" or some such shit ---- count on it that he or she will be denounced as anti-semitic. Even if they can prove direct descendance from the House of David!!!

Look under your bed tonight, guy. Might be some of those ubiquitous anti-semites hiding there.

[Justin7]

Did you know that in December Hamas asked (through the Egyptian who conducted negotiations between the two sides) for an extension of the cease-fire, asking only that a corridor for emergency aid be mandated.

And that Israel point-blank refused.

Damn straight they did! The corridor for "emergency aid" is how they resupply their rocket stations.

I have two thoughts on this matter that lead me to support Israel in this conflict.

1. Hamas is conducting a war of terror. They are targeting civilians with rockets. You can make arguments that this is justified, but it is an act of war.

2. Israel is our mid-east fortress. When things go to hell over there, we can get 200k GIs and 1000 Abrams there in under a month, but ONLY if we have a secure base - Israel. If Israel collapses, you will see all sorts of bad things happening there, and you and I will pay for it with MUCH higher gas prices. I don't know if it will be Iran invading other "US Friendly" Arab states, or Hezbollah blowing up pipelines. But right now, Israel is our point-man, and they are vital to our oil prices. While I personally don't care how much gas costs, most of our economy gets devastated when oil becomes too expensive.

If you really want to get the US detached from the US, you are better off focusing on energy indepedence.

[Dark Horse]

"The scandal of our time."

Right. And very, very few of the mass media ever mentions it, even obliquely.

It was the fundamental flaw in the thinking of the Founders - they saw the openings in the repulican form of govt and the Constitution that could one day be taken advantage of by an unscrupulous force. I belive Madison, in one of the Federalist Papers, discusses that very issue.

But Madison and others pinned their hopes that a free press would spot the danger, and alert their fellow citizens to it.

Another happy dream down the ol' drain . . .

Tho the Founders I think would be very pleased with the advent of the Internet, sometimes an irresponsbile vehicle, but the last repository of a truly free press, and free inquiry . . .

The media don't mention it because, after making sure they had the Central Bank (the only place where Federal means private), the Zionists (led by the Rothschilds) understood the importance of owning the media. It's a horrible triangle. They own the politicians, they print the money (that the government should be printing), and own the media. Except the internet, but rest assured that efforts to control its free information flow are underway.

Israel is a tremendous money making machine for these guys. They want perpetual war. They want instability. Our tax dollars (paid to them for printing these same dollars out of thin air) pay for their war machine! And the money goes straight back into the pockets of the weapon manufacterors, who in turn are closely linked with the international bankers.

They were behind 9/11, and manipulated the price of oil so that, to avoid another Big Depression, the government would sign away its power to them.

And now the banks were given 700 billion, but refuse to lend to anyone. They're just sitting on the money. Their problems are solved, their criminal acts unpunished, and they don't care about anyone else.

This is what happens when a group of people, the Zionists, are allowed to go about their business unchecked, because any criticism is thrown back to the accusing party as being anti-semitic. The biggest criminals in the world, and they can't be held accountable because doing so would be anti-semitic.

I don't give a f*ck what race they belong to (Jews are not a race, by the way, but share a common religion). But I definitely want to see them on trial. Along with their Neocon buddies. 'Trial of the millennium' wouldn't cover the load.

This whole thing going on in Israel right now is just to set the tone for what Obama will have to deal with. Things escalated in the Middle East as well right before W. Israel is highly interested in forcing America's hand.

Zionists have caused and will cause the world nothing but misery.

[wtf]

justin you have a point, but why as a country do we continue down this road of using oil?

do you know there is enough geo thermal power available to power the earth for over 1000 years, this is a clean and relatively easy source of energy. instead we send space ships to mars looking for a billion year old flower.

this goes to your point of independence. if obama is all about change, then this has to be his maint point of focus. if we get off the oil crutch many problems get fixed. will he do it?

[Panic]

Damn straight they did! The corridor for "emergency aid" is how they resupply their rocket stations.

I have two thoughts on this matter that lead me to support Israel in this conflict.

1. Hamas is conducting a war of terror. They are targeting civilians with rockets. You can make arguments that this is justified, but it is an act of war.

2. Israel is our mid-east fortress. When things go to hell over there, we can get 200k GIs and 1000 Abrams there in under a month, but ONLY if we have a secure base - Israel. If Israel collapses, you will see all sorts of bad things happening there, and you and I will pay for it with MUCH higher gas prices. I don't know if it will be Iran invading other "US Friendly" Arab states, or Hezbollah blowing up pipelines. But right now, Israel is our point-man, and they are vital to our oil prices. While I personally don't care how much gas costs, most of our economy gets devastated when oil becomes too expensive.If you really want to get the US detached from the US, you are better off focusing on energy indepedence.

Justin, you're kidding right? Have you served in the military? I would say no. Quit watching CNN. Israel will have no bearing on the US but to make us spend more money. We go over there to save their asses. Tell me how many times have they came to our aid? How many troops do they have in Afganistan to help us fight that war? It is time to cut the cord and make them stand on their own. If you dont like it than go over there and fight with them. Its not our war. Enough is enough. I just wanna get drunk and watch it go down.

[InTheHole]

Nice write up

[Kerfuffle]

The media don't mention it because, after making sure they had the Central Bank (the only place where Federal means private), the Zionists (led by the Rothschilds) understood the importance of owning the media. It's a horrible triangle. They own the politicians, they print the money (that the government should be printing), and own the media. Except the internet, but rest assured that efforts to control its free information flow are underway.

Israel is a tremendous money making machine for these guys. They want perpetual war. They want instability. Our tax dollars (paid to them for printing these same dollars out of thin air) pay for their war machine! And the money goes straight back into the pockets of the weapon manufacterors, who in turn are closely linked with the international bankers.

They were behind 9/11, and manipulated the price of oil so that, to avoid another Big Depression, the government would sign away its power to them.

And now the banks were given 700 billion, but refuse to lend to anyone. They're just sitting on the money. Their problems are solved, their criminal acts unpunished, and they don't care about anyone else.

This is what happens when a group of people, the Zionists, are allowed to go about their business unchecked, because any criticism is thrown back to the accusing party as being anti-semitic. The biggest criminals in the world, and they can't be held accountable because doing so would be anti-semitic.

I don't give a f*ck what race they belong to (Jews are not a race, by the way, but share a common religion). But I definitely want to see them on trial. Along with their Neocon buddies. 'Trial of the millennium' wouldn't cover the load.

This whole thing going on in Israel right now is just to set the tone for what Obama will have to deal with. Things escalated in the Middle East as well right before W. Israel is highly interested in forcing America's hand.

Zionists have caused and will cause the world nothing but misery.

I thought LSD was the drug of choice in the 60's and early 70's.

Must be making a comeback.

[Kerfuffle]

Reminder to all, we have been through this in the past here at SBR.

US annual aid to middle East countries-
$2.5 billion to Israel
$1.9 billion to Egypt
$550 million to Jordan
$50 million to Palestinians

That's a 50/50 split between the good guys and the bad guys, depending on who ya like.

[Kerfuffle]

It was a horrific idea to make Palestine the "homeland" for world Jewry, and with the bogus slogan: "A land without a people for a people without a land."

Countries come and countries go.

Take a look at a world map on Jan. 1, 1900, Jan. 1, 1800, Jan. 1, 1700, etc. See how many countries on today's map match those maps.


Maybe we'll take a trip to Prussia some day, you an me.

[Dark Horse]

I thought LSD was the drug of choice in the 60's and early 70's.

Must be making a comeback.

Hallucinating hey?

You're certainly free to assume so.
Good for you. Seriously.
Ignorance is bliss.

I realize that my brief synopsis wouldn't fly in synagogues. But I can assure you that it is based on more research than I would care to admit to. If interested, this is a link I've posted in the past. It has, in fact, been a great aid in stock trading, so, whether you consider it true or not, knowledge of this has a practical application in the real world. http://www.scribd.com/doc/3495040/co...ers-a-mustread

But don't study this stuff if you like your present world view. Whatever it is, it will be shaken.

[Kerfuffle]

They own the politicians, they print the money (that the government should be printing), and own the media. Except the internet, but rest assured that efforts to control its free information flow are underway.

Paranoia will destroy ya

They were behind 9/11.

Unreal

...and manipulated the price of oil.

They must have the powers of Superman, Batman, and Spiderman combined!!!

... the government would sign away its power to them [Zionists].

How many hours a day do they allow you out of your straightjacket?

Things escalated in the Middle East as well right before W. Israel is highly interested in forcing America's hand.

Talk about the tail wagging the dog! How fun it must be to become Alice in Wonderland when in front of a keyboard!


You are from now on to be known at SBR as LSD Horse

[Justin7]

Justin, you're kidding right? Have you served in the military? I would say no. Quit watching CNN. Israel will have no bearing on the US but to make us spend more money. We go over there to save their asses. Tell me how many times have they came to our aid? How many troops do they have in Afganistan to help us fight that war? It is time to cut the cord and make them stand on their own. If you dont like it than go over there and fight with them. Its not our war. Enough is enough. I just wanna get drunk and watch it go down.

I have never been in the military (unless you count mandatory ROTC classes in college).

Do you really think our mid-East "friends" would be so easily if we weren't able to rapidly deploy there? You really don't see the strategic value of Israel? Or the political value of having them pop countries developing nukes? Remember 1980s, when they blew up the Iraqi nuclear plant? While they were "officially" condemned, all free countries were glad this happened. They have the stomach to do things countries need to do, but can't.

I don't buy this Zionist conspiracy banking stuff... Although I'd certainly look closely at it if there were credible sources.

[pavyracer]

Eliminate Israel from that region and Middle East will be more peaceful than Polynesia.

[ryanXL977]

yeah because the arabs are such peaceful people
whether israel is fair or not is one question, but arabs are pretty primitive and violent id say

[pavyracer]

Arabs do not fight with European, African or Asian neighbors. They are very peaceful people involved with trade and culture and very hospitable. The presense of Israel in Arab stolen land is what fuels their hatriot against Zionist Israel. Put Israel in any other area of the world and you will have eternal peace in the world.

[ryanXL977]

well israel is where israel is, it aint going anywhere. there are two sides to this. i think they need to split it up and i am no more on either side, but to say things like arabs are peaceful people, i dont know that i agree. there are millions of peaceful arabs, and there are millions who arent. It will never end until they both sit down. But using civilians to fire at israelis isnt very fair either, using schools and mosques to fire isnt very fair. I understand how it works, but there are two sides to this.
Israel is where it is so rather than asking for it to be moved, which it wont be, perhaps a better solution exists.